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September 30, 2019, 03:11:43 PM
Last edit: September 30, 2019, 03:34:13 PM by Kakmakr
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Ok, you first need to watch this video to understand what a Bail-in is ---> https://youtu.be/j6aTCOjUaoU   The short answer is that Banks are allowed to take any deposits to cover their losses, when they loan money to people and when those people do not pay it back. Yes, they do not take the shareholders money to do that, they are allowed to take deposits and they have done that before in Cyprus.  Angry

So you might be saying, but the money is secured by insurance right? Well you are wrong, only a small percentage of all deposits are insured. The money you deposited are perceived as a loan to the Bank and what happens when a Bank cannot pay back their loan, well this video will explain that in detail. ----> https://youtu.be/EC0G7pY4wRE

I cannot take credit for the content of this post, because it was posted first on Reddit, I simply want to highlight this here, because a lot of people do not read Reddit content or they might have missed this.

Original source : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/db8qsw/when_your_friends_tell_you_that_youre_dumb_crazy/

Thank you Satoshi Nakamoto for offering us an alternative to Banks to protect our wealth.  Wink

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September 30, 2019, 04:25:33 PM
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I don't know how many countries are actually planning to implement it, but unfortunately my country was seriously debating over this matter and it was known as FRDI bill. But after receiving huge backlash from all parts of the society, they had dropped it!

But when the entire economy is linked with debt, what better we can expect for us? Bitcoin is indeed a relief and blessing for the commoners.

I have recently read an article which concerns me big time. Even it is not related to the thread, but it's a must read for people with debt on their shoulders.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/millennials-are-screwed-recession/596728/

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October 01, 2019, 05:53:56 AM
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I don't know how many countries are actually planning to implement it, but unfortunately my country was seriously debating over this matter and it was known as FRDI bill. But after receiving huge backlash from all parts of the society, they had dropped it!

But when the entire economy is linked with debt, what better we can expect for us? Bitcoin is indeed a relief and blessing for the commoners.

I have recently read an article which concerns me big time. Even it is not related to the thread, but it's a must read for people with debt on their shoulders.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/millennials-are-screwed-recession/596728/

Well, when a first world giant like the USA agree to stupid legislation like this, the world will follow. Most of these Banks have a global footprint, so it will be applied in the other countries where they have branches.  Tongue

Digging a little bit deeper, I see that they only applied this to people with more than $100 000 in their accounts, so they are targeting the wealthy people first. Once that is tapped out, they will surely move to smaller deposits.  Angry

What world do we live in, when your money are not safe in a Bank anymore.  Roll Eyes

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October 01, 2019, 05:58:14 AM
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They tried a bail-in in Cyprus, people didn't like it. So they switched to quantitative easing: you get to keep your money, it just loses its value as the supply gets diluted.

People don't protest against it, and there nothing you can do about it either.

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October 01, 2019, 08:56:34 AM
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Ok, you first need to watch this video to understand what a Bail-in is ---> https://youtu.be/j6aTCOjUaoU   The short answer is that Banks are allowed to take any deposits to cover their losses, when they loan money to people and when those people do not pay it back. Yes, they do not take the shareholders money to do that, they are allowed to take deposits and they have done that before in Cyprus.  Angry

So you might be saying, but the money is secured by insurance right? Well you are wrong, only a small percentage of all deposits are insured. The money you deposited are perceived as a loan to the Bank and what happens when a Bank cannot pay back their loan, well this video will explain that in detail. ----> https://youtu.be/EC0G7pY4wRE

I cannot take credit for the content of this post, because it was posted first on Reddit, I simply want to highlight this here, because a lot of people do not read Reddit content or they might have missed this.

Original source : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/db8qsw/when_your_friends_tell_you_that_youre_dumb_crazy/

Thank you Satoshi Cry Nakamoto for offering us an alternative to Banks to protect our wealth.  Wink
A really big thankyou for that. When the places we trust our money to can actually just take our money away when they lose out. It's basically a free way out for them while retaining their savings and letting their customers suffer on their accounts.

Well, when a first world giant like the USA agree to stupid legislation like this, the world will follow. Most of these Banks have a global footprint, so it will be applied in the other countries where they have branches.  Tongue
And most underdeveloped countries would follow those developed ones, leading to thise countries being in a more problematic economical and financial situation than they already were.

 
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October 01, 2019, 10:16:03 AM
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This is nothing new in the banking world, banks exist to make a profit, and they always find ways to do it no matter how unfair it seems. Deposits are always insured up to a certain amount by the state (in my country is always like that), and if a bank collapses all the money that is not secured by the state is very likely lost.

No matter how banks operate, people will continue to use them - it is illusory to expect any change in the bank-client relationship. The way a society is structured has created a dependence on the people and entire countries on banks, they work for the benefit of that 10 % of the world's privileged inhabitants who control 90% of the world's wealth.

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What happened to Cyprus is now a popular reference of how banks can use desperation to dip into the deposits of their loyal users, but we know that this is not a very popular options and so many politicians are avoiding this strategy as much as possible. Yes, the best alternative to this scenario is printing more paper money which the banks can avail -- the term is bail-out. However, there is no question that bail-in will always be an option especially in desperate times when depositors will have not choice to go against the power of the state. Let's hope that bail-in will never be spreading like a wildfire.
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October 01, 2019, 02:10:11 PM
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I don't know how many countries are actually planning to implement it, but unfortunately my country was seriously debating over this matter and it was known as FRDI bill. But after receiving huge backlash from all parts of the society, they had dropped it!

But when the entire economy is linked with debt, what better we can expect for us? Bitcoin is indeed a relief and blessing for the commoners.

I have recently read an article which concerns me big time. Even it is not related to the thread, but it's a must read for people with debt on their shoulders.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/millennials-are-screwed-recession/596728/

Well, when a first world giant like the USA agree to stupid legislation like this, the world will follow. Most of these Banks have a global footprint, so it will be applied in the other countries where they have branches.  Tongue

Digging a little bit deeper, I see that they only applied this to people with more than $100 000 in their accounts, so they are targeting the wealthy people first. Once that is tapped out, they will surely move to smaller deposits.  Angry

What world do we live in, when your money are not safe in a Bank anymore.  Roll Eyes

Actually, this has been going for a bit more than a century, ever since the bankers managed to legalize the ponzi scheme known as fractional reserve banking or the reason they pay you interest...

What you brought is simply salt to the wound. ponzi on a ponzi.

If you want to break with this debt is growth mentality, read the Austrian economists: https://mises.org/

There it is explained clearly by many authors how a deflationary economy works, such an economy is not debt based but savings based, true savings that is, not thin air money that doesn't exist anywhere like today banks do. And one of the things they explain is how full reserve banks work. People in these economies tend to save, because of deflation. Either on their own (such as your cold wallet) or by using a full reserve bank (such as an online wallet).

If the world did what bitcoiners do the 3rd of Jan, the world economy would collapse. The banks assume everyone won't ever attempt to withdraw their funds at the same time. If this happened, their legalized century old scheme would collapse.

The bank of Amsterdam famously worked with full reserve for nearly two centuries. Of course this moves less money and makes less profit than the cheater schemers of today. A mere two centuries ago, what modern banks do today, was punished with the death penalty.

But history of banking is something seldom people learn about, and some idiots just keep repeating the tired old deep and convoluted reptilian world conspiracies when the simple truth is right in front of their noses. Its not a family or a religious group, its a system: the fractional reserve system.

They want people to be in debt. They NEED the people to be in debt, so that it leverages more the fact that most of the money doesn't exist (isn't backed) anywhere. And this is a true, known fact. But people don't learn that in school when talking about banks.

Modern banks DO NOT KEEP YOUR MONEY, at least not all of it, but only a small fraction, often under 10%, and only because some pesky law they manage to flex little by little over the years, so you end with things like what you brought.

If there is anything bankers fear, is not bitcoin or deflation (tho those are key activators), but people getting rid of debt and withdrawing their money. Do you have fiat in a bank? What if you changed it all or almost all of it to bitcoin and instead kept that in a cold wallet? Most banks would disappear. And don't be mistaken, this process has already started, but it can occur slowly or suddenly, depending in how long it takes for people to learn the truth.

Banks do have a chance to shrink amicably if people don't all withdraw at once, but they would also see their profit shrink. In fact the world has too many banks, and many would start closing, which is perfectly fine and normal. The only banks humanity need, are those that operate under full reserve, where people have to pay the bank to keep their money safe (not the other way around) unless the client willingly wants to lend his/her money to the bank, and then, and only then, the bank would pay interest but the money must NOT BE AVAILABLE until that lending ends. Transparency.

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