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Pullbacks during previous bull runs: $490 -> $289 (-41%) $780 -> $468 (-40%) $1,115 -> $750 (-32%) $1,350 -> $900 (-33%) $3,000 -> $1,800 (-40%) $4,950 -> $3,000 (-39%) $7,800 -> $5,500 (-29%)
Current pullback: $13,880 -> $7,800 (-43%) Source: @RhythmtraderDates would be useful here, but you get the idea. Does this mean Bitcoin is no longer in a bull market? I haven't double checked these numbers, but they look about right. August 2012: $16.40 -> $7.10 (56.7%) April 2013: $260 -> $45 (83%)
Probably not in a bull market anymore init. #200DayMABroken Sell your bitcoins at your own risk. Related topic: If Bitcoin Repeats History? 5 Part TA Series On Descending Triangle Breakdowns
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I do not think that what is happening now is the furthest correctio as mentioned above, Some collapses exceeded 50% months: $700 to $350 $20k to $3200 And others, it seems to be an attempt to find similarities in numbers to prove the correctness of his analysis but all means nothing. What happened in the past does not necessarily mean to be repeated because of the variables/factors are changing.
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I do not think that what is happening now is the furthest correctio as mentioned above
Not the furthest correction no. From the subject: Bitcoin has seen furthest correction of all bull markets
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Dates would be useful here, but you get the idea. Does this mean Bitcoin is no longer in a bull market? I haven't double checked these numbers, but they look about right. I checked a few of them. They seem roughly correct but there are at least a couple important ones missing from the list. August 2012: $16.40 -> $7.10 (56.7%) April 2013: $260 -> $45 (83%) Both took place during bull markets on the way to new all-time highs. David has been seeing 2012 as the closest parallel to the current cycle. Food for thought.
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First of all you can't say that this correction is over. Bitcoin can still go even lower and set a new low. If this would happened then it could mean that 43% correction wasn't so bad after all but let's not go that far and just patiently wait what the future will bring us.
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August 2012: $16.40 -> $7.10 (56.7%) April 2013: $260 -> $45 (83%)
True story, hadn't thought to check further back to be honest. In both of these cases the price was above the 200 Day MA, so I'd say it was still bullish.
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October 01, 2019, 09:50:26 PM Last edit: October 01, 2019, 10:13:52 PM by The Pharmacist |
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$20k to $3200
Yeah, that's the one I was looking for. And while I obviously could look at a bitcoin price chart, I have not done so in a couple of years--I didn't even realize that it had hit $13,880 this past time around. Totally forgot, since after that it had pooped out at $10k for a while. I really ought to check the chart sometime soon, but I don't believe in TA so that's not my thing. Perhaps I'll do it just for nostalgia's sake. Edit: I looked at the chart, and bitcoin didn't go as high as $13,880 in 2019. Got close but did not reach that level. First of all you can't say that this correction is over. Bitcoin can still go even lower and set a new low.
Definitely true. When bitcoin was vacillating around the $10k mark, I'd figured that when it busted out of that range it'd go upward and back toward its ATH. Didn't happen, and there's no telling where it's headed from here. True, it did rebound from below $8k....but nothing is certain. Traders and chart watchers would do well to remember this. I do not think that what is happening now is the furthest correctio as mentioned above
Not the furthest correction no. From the subject: Bitcoin has seen furthest correction of all bull markets Bitcoin seems to always be either in a bull or bear state except when the price is flat--and those flat parts can last a long time. The drop from $20k was certainly when it was in a bull market. Ah, the euphoria. I do miss that so.
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August 2012: $16.40 -> $7.10 (56.7%) April 2013: $260 -> $45 (83%)
True story, hadn't thought to check further back to be honest. In both of these cases the price was above the 200 Day MA, so I'd say it was still bullish. The 200-day MA breakdown is discouraging, yes. Same with the 20-week MA. These are for sure reasons for caution here but I don't think we have the data to say they are definitely indicative of a bear market. A fellow analyst elaborates on that here: https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/csAFwPYs-The-Weekly-21-EMA-is-No-Longer-Precedent-Time-for-New-Precedent/I went on to explain in this publication WHY CLOSING BELOW the "Weekly" 21-EMA should NOT be the "precedent" to determine if we are to transition into months of a bear market. We are currently about to determine WHAT IS OUR NEW "PRECEDENT." Will it be the Magenta 80-EMA in the 4-Day TF? Will it be the Yellow 90-EMA in the 4-Day TF? Will it be the Green 110-EMA in the 4-Day TF? It's currently looking like it may end up being the 80-EMA in the 4-Day TF. We will find out soon enough.
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October 03, 2019, 12:56:16 PM |
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43% is not a correction.
43% is a crash.
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https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Historical-Corrections-of-Bitcoin-BTCUSD_tbl3_329973120Maybe this table shows a better history of corrections, but since it shows events only from 2012, the biggest correction is still from 2011 with decline of 93%. Some people say that there is no actual bull run from April 2019, but almost $10 000 up in a very short time was interpreted by many as such. However, it should take into account that the probable reason for this was that Bakkt was buying BTC for his service, and some data says that the amount was around 100 000 BTC. Price of Bitcoin is always depended on the bull/bear mood, but if we look at the table it's really just about making a profit with one very clearly visible difference, Bitcoin high/lowes price is going up, but a decline in % stays pretty much at the same values.
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October 03, 2019, 01:22:43 PM |
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August 2012: $16.40 -> $7.10 (56.7%) April 2013: $260 -> $45 (83%)
True story, hadn't thought to check further back to be honest. In both of these cases the price was above the 200 Day MA, so I'd say it was still bullish. The 200-day MA breakdown is discouraging, yes. Same with the 20-week MA. These are for sure reasons for caution here but I don't think we have the data to say they are definitely indicative of a bear market. Agreed, to clarify I wasn't saying we were in a bear market, but there we may no longer in a bull market either, and instead look bearish at the moment. Given there's not enough evidence to say we're in "still" bear or bull market, I think it's fair to say the price action is reality neutral at the moment. This might sound like an odd conclusion, but a 3.5x gain followed by a 45% correction sounds pretty neutral to me. Also anyone else noticed we were also supported by the average price of the bear market? It's been 665 days since the $20k peak back in December 2017, the 665 Day MA (average price since $20k correction / bear market) is currently at $7682. Notice how we came down to $18 short of this? It has also finally flattened out, indicating the balance between the bears & the bulls in the past 95 weeks has finally been met. It also suggests the price is ready to move further upwards or downwards in my mind. The only slight concern is that with recent price action, it has started to change it's trajectory downwards again. It's the yellow line on this chart anyway: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradingview.com%2Fx%2FyQgESnEV%2F&t=665&c=UaKB5P3Xiq2_Pw) Some people say that there is no actual bull run from April 2019, but almost $10 000 up in a very short time was interpreted by many as such.
The moving average above definiately confirms this theory: the 2019 bull market only negated the bear market of 2018.
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it is interesting to me that before this recent drop whenever you looked at what most of these "traders" were saying none of them accepted that we were in a bull run even though price had gone up more than 250% in about 6 months! they were insisting on denying the bull run. and now they seem to all suddenly have changed their minds and accepted that it was a bull run and now it has ended ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) if you ask me, we are still in a bull run with a slight hiccup. right now due to this drop, everything is being postponed a little but there is no down "trend" so that we could consider it a bear run or end of the bull run. there was just 1 single drop case. yeah if we continue declining and see lower and lower prices every week then we can call it end of bull run.
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Weak hands have been complaining about missing out ever since bitcoin was $1 and never buy the dip. Whales are those who keep buying the dip.
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43% is not a correction.
43% is a crash.
Where do you draw that line? There's some 40-42% corrections listed in the OP. Or maybe a "crash" doesn't indicate a bear market. August 2012 (57%) and April 2013 (83%) are examples of "crashes" on the way to much higher highs.
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it is interesting to me that before this recent drop whenever you looked at what most of these "traders" were saying none of them accepted that we were in a bull run even though price had gone up more than 250% in about 6 months! they were insisting on denying the bull run. and now they seem to all suddenly have changed their minds and accepted that it was a bull run and now it has ended ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) if you ask me, we are still in a bull run with a slight hiccup. Indeed on 4-year running perspective, ie roughly the 200 Week MA, Bitcoin never enter a bear market but a mere correction. It's depends on the time-frame you are looking at so these sweeping statements are obviously subjective. Kind of the beauty of technical analysis and the time-frames you want to engage with imo. Anyway this moving average is still rising while the price has remained above it: it's indicative of a bull market. This is probably why people invest in the thing ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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October 03, 2019, 06:05:27 PM |
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Well you could say it is not. Why? It is not going up anymore by now.
But there is this thing we call fluctuations and all I can think about is a normal thing which happens with bitcoin.
You could sell anytime you like but if there is no profit what is the sense of doing so? Are you preparing to buy at a lower price? For there is no accurate forecast that it will be dumped more. It will be a risk.
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For me Bitcoin will enter in a bear market if price will close 7450$ 114 weekly MA That correspond with middle weekly Bolinger As for now we didn't have even one day close below 8K Price can move from now to 8700 $-9000$ and then retest last lows or move down from current 8150$ level and test 7500$.I don" t believe bitcoin will break 7500$ at once.I can imagine half of internet is waiting there to buy
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Pullbacks during previous bull runs: $490 -> $289 (-41%) $780 -> $468 (-40%) $1,115 -> $750 (-32%) $1,350 -> $900 (-33%) $3,000 -> $1,800 (-40%) $4,950 -> $3,000 (-39%) $7,800 -> $5,500 (-29%)
Current pullback: $13,880 -> $7,800 (-43%) Correction depend on strength of bull run. If bull run was weak so will be correction. Since last bull run that happened in Q2 of this year was strong so is strong correction. What would be good indicator is if you make a table of ratio the pullback had of the strength of bull run. So if bull run was 100% and pullback was 50%, so ratio is 2. If bull run was 200% and pullback 50%, the ratio is 4.
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October 04, 2019, 10:06:40 PM |
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From Op and the growth charts of bitcoin it is clear that the 20 day moving avaerage were broken. Just on this we cannot predict the true market move. The change happens in no time, and also the market moves in any direction. Experts who have been observing the market so closely will easily predict the trend. From my view, right now it is experiencing normal growth with the market fluctuating with resistance above $8000
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43% is not a correction.
43% is a crash.
Where do you draw that line? There's some 40-42% corrections listed in the OP. Or maybe a "crash" doesn't indicate a bear market. August 2012 (57%) and April 2013 (83%) are examples of "crashes" on the way to much higher highs. There is a difference between correction and crash, we can see the line in "size". In the world of investments, a correction is generally defined as a decline of 10%-20% in the price of a security from its most recent peak before recovering. A crash is a massive loss in price. When the market crashes, its price drops by a significant percentage, below 20%. Whenever the market slowly drops, the correction keeps going and becomes a crash.
A bear market is a condition in which securities prices fall 20% or more from recent highs over a sustained period of time - typically two months or more amid widespread pessimism and negative investor sentiment.40%-42% aren't corrections anymore.
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43% is not a correction.
43% is a crash.
Where do you draw that line? There's some 40-42% corrections listed in the OP. Or maybe a "crash" doesn't indicate a bear market. August 2012 (57%) and April 2013 (83%) are examples of "crashes" on the way to much higher highs. For me, its one third from previous high. If it falls more than that, its a crash, not a correction. And if it rises while it is below two thirds of the previous ATH, then its a recovery, not a bull run. In the world of investments, a correction is generally defined as a decline of 10%-20% in the price of a security from its most recent peak before recovering. A crash is a massive loss in price. When the market crashes, its price drops by a significant percentage, below 20%. Whenever the market slowly drops, the correction keeps going and becomes a crash.
A bear market is a condition in which securities prices fall 20% or more from recent highs over a sustained period of time - typically two months or more amid widespread pessimism and negative investor sentiment.
Basically this, but in the case of bitcoin, there is high volatility, so it can go to 30% and still be in a correction phase. After that, its a crash.
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