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October 08, 2019, 01:27:23 PM
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Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first. Cheesy

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

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Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

Now I am shocked... and absolutely scared for you... talking against Allah like that. Don't you realize that he is all-powerful?

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Allah is not going to assasinate me,there are some extremist will do that in the name of Allah,so they also same like everyone so no need to bow for them.

Now you are REALLY showing your anti-Islam stance.

Allah doesn't work through direct zaps most of the time. After all, hasn't he set all things up in such a way that they work together in this life? The extremists, who are following the dictates of the Koran and Hadiths ARE the way that Allah might assassinate you Muslim hypocrite. Or, you might fall off your bicycle and break your neck. Allah has a million ways that he can do away with you... but he might have mercy for a time.

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October 08, 2019, 01:35:33 PM
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It's easy in today's world to blame Islam of backwards savagery against women, children, etc. Yet this is still protected by the left?

Why? When at the same time Christianity is under attack in the modern political and social climate. Other than the obvious propagation of pedophilia by the Catholic church, Christians' rape and pillaging days are over for the most part.

Other than instinctual human greed, religion has caused more conflict in human history than anything else. Why do we still need it? Are there any merits left?

I understand a common argument here may be that it instills fear in common folk and helps to provide them a reason to behave but we shouldn't need the fear of deities smiting us to act as a normal citizen and respect others' rights. You can also be a hopeful human being without religion. This is not a debate of "not all the religious folk are bad eggs" the debate here is why it still exists in any form in the year 2019.

Well if this isn't about 'not all the religious folk are bad eggs', then it's about people who need to believe in something, and the exact year doesn't matter. Some human thing gives individual internal support. After all, there's a fear of death.

Despite all the occasions, even the horrible ones.

Hope in people IS a natural thing, because we all recognize that we have been given this life for free, and so why shouldn't it remain? Or why shouldn't there even be more and better?

Yet, informal religion has a monopoly in the lives of everyone, because nobody knows for-a-fact what is going to happen... even in the next minute. After all, walking-down-the-street/in-the-elevator/driving/whatever, there might be some suicide extremist headed right for you, and you will die. We don't know. We live in hope, according to our personal, informal religion.

religion
[ ri-lij-uh n ]

noun

...

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

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October 08, 2019, 01:36:54 PM
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but he might have mercy for a time.

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He supposed to show since I am going to masjid on every friday to pray Jumma. Smiley

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October 08, 2019, 01:55:58 PM
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but he might have mercy for a time.

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He supposed to show since I am going to masjid on every friday to pray Jumma. Smiley

Well, good. You are doing some of the things of Alla wants, right? So, Allah will have mercy. But, really learn your religion a bit more, because if you don't, you might be forgetting something. And Allah's mercy might come to an end.

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October 08, 2019, 04:24:11 PM
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but he might have mercy for a time.

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He supposed to show since I am going to masjid on every friday to pray Jumma. Smiley

Well, good. You are doing some of the things of Alla wants, right? So, Allah will have mercy. But, really learn your religion a bit more, because if you don't, you might be forgetting something. And Allah's mercy might come to an end.

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Anything will be forgiven in the Allah's court if you ask for Dua and do your prayers.

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October 08, 2019, 07:47:45 PM
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but he might have mercy for a time.

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He supposed to show since I am going to masjid on every friday to pray Jumma. Smiley

Well, good. You are doing some of the things of Alla wants, right? So, Allah will have mercy. But, really learn your religion a bit more, because if you don't, you might be forgetting something. And Allah's mercy might come to an end.

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Anything will be forgiven in the Allah's court if you ask for Dua and do your prayers.

Do you really mean anything or are you speaking figuratively?

I'm certain rape, murder, and torture among other things shouldn't be forgiven. I clearly don't study religious text to much extent but I see where assumptions like this would come in to play with extremism. That is, the literal belief in forgiveness for ANY atrocious act.

 
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October 08, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
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The idea of religion was to bring man closer to that insatiable appetite for more knowledge of the creator of this universe. However, opportunist saw the virgin market for exploitation and took advantage of it.
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October 09, 2019, 12:11:02 AM
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Anything will be forgiven in the Allah's court if you ask for Dua and do your prayers.

Do you really mean anything or are you speaking figuratively?

I'm certain rape, murder, and torture among other things shouldn't be forgiven. I clearly don't study religious text to much extent but I see where assumptions like this would come in to play with extremism. That is, the literal belief in forgiveness for ANY atrocious act.

Really, Anything?


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One cleric claimed it would be 'no problem at all' to marry girls as young as nine under Islamic law. 

The practice is banned in Iraq but eight out of 10 Shia clerics who were approached were willing to carry it out - and one of them even offered to help procure young girls, the BBC News investigation found.

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October 09, 2019, 12:17:07 AM
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^^^ Looks like the Religion of Peace is bringing Muslims closer to that insatiable appetite for more carnal knowledge. These Muslim cleric opportunist are taking advantage of a prostitution kind of virgin market for exploitation.


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October 09, 2019, 05:35:07 AM
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but he might have mercy for a time.

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He supposed to show since I am going to masjid on every friday to pray Jumma. Smiley

Well, good. You are doing some of the things of Alla wants, right? So, Allah will have mercy. But, really learn your religion a bit more, because if you don't, you might be forgetting something. And Allah's mercy might come to an end.

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Anything will be forgiven in the Allah's court if you ask for Dua and do your prayers.

Do you really mean anything or are you speaking figuratively?

I'm certain rape, murder, and torture among other things shouldn't be forgiven. I clearly don't study religious text to much extent but I see where assumptions like this would come in to play with extremism. That is, the literal belief in forgiveness for ANY atrocious act.
Anything not includes everything,only sins were done without aware of they are sins,once they get to realize that they are doing sin but they still continue to do then their forgiveness will be denied.

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October 10, 2019, 01:00:44 AM
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Religion is good but Humanity is better. You can still be considerably good without consistently going to church every Sunday, without attending various spiritual ceremonies and even without praying as long as you are following the rules of human and shows compassion to another. Let me give you an example on what I usually see while attending Christmas mass last year. I noticed that everyone in the mass gave few bucks during the part of tithes but after the mass they can't even give a cent on the old beggar outside. See the irony?

In short, being religious doesn't secure your spot in heaven. You should also put the knowledge you gain into actions.

 
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October 10, 2019, 01:53:55 PM
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^^^ Nobody can be good enough to get into Heaven. That's why God decided on another way. First, He had His Son Jesus (the only one strong enough) maintain righteousness throughout His life. Then He had His righteous Son take the punishment and die for all the sins of all mankind. Then He had Jesus rise from the dead, and gave Jesus the authority for all the universe.

Why did God do this? So all that people have to do is to believe that Jesus did this, and then accept the Jesus-salvation held out to them. But, when a person continually sins intentionally, does he really believe in Jesus-salvation? But if he really believes, how long can he maintain his faith and still intentionally sin?

Believe in Jesus-salvation, the only thing that can save you. Then, stop intentional sinning, the thing that destroys your faith in Jesus-salvation.

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Anything will be forgiven in the Allah's court if you ask for Dua and do your prayers.

Do you really mean anything or are you speaking figuratively?

I'm certain rape, murder, and torture among other things shouldn't be forgiven. I clearly don't study religious text to much extent but I see where assumptions like this would come in to play with extremism. That is, the literal belief in forgiveness for ANY atrocious act.

Really, Anything?


Scandal of young Iraqi girls sold for sex in temporary 'pleasure marriages' ...



Young Iraqi girls are being sold for sex in temporary 'marriages' that can last as little as an hour, a BBC documentary has revealed.

Shia clerics were filmed offering 'pleasure marriages' in which men, usually banned from having sex outside marriage, can pay a dowry for an interim wife.

One cleric claimed it would be 'no problem at all' to marry girls as young as nine under Islamic law. 

The practice is banned in Iraq but eight out of 10 Shia clerics who were approached were willing to carry it out - and one of them even offered to help procure young girls, the BBC News investigation found.

The religious rite dates back centuries, partly intended to allow men to have a legitimate relationship while away from their wives.

However, some Iraqi men and Shia clerics are now abusing it to give a veneer of legitimacy to child prostitution.

One cleric in Karbala, an important religious site in Iraq, told the undercover BBC journalist that girls as young as nine could be subject to the procedure.

'According to Sharia, there's no problem,' he said, when asked if it was acceptable to conduct a temporary marriage with a young girl.


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October 10, 2019, 11:10:44 PM
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^^^ Nobody can be good enough to get into Heaven. That's why God decided on another way. First, He had His Son Jesus (the only one strong enough) maintain righteousness throughout His life. Then He had His righteous Son take the punishment and die for all the sins of all mankind. Then He had Jesus rise from the dead, and gave Jesus the authority for all the universe.

Why did God do this? So all that people have to do is to believe that Jesus did this, and then accept the Jesus-salvation held out to them. But, when a person continually sins intentionally, does he really believe in Jesus-salvation? But if he really believes, how long can he maintain his faith and still intentionally sin?

Believe in Jesus-salvation, the only thing that can save you. Then, stop intentional sinning, the thing that destroys your faith in Jesus-salvation.

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Jesus isn’t god’s son.
He is a Jew whose mother claimed that she became pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

And as the saying says : once a Jew, always a Jew.

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October 10, 2019, 11:48:48 PM
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^^^ Nobody can be good enough to get into Heaven. That's why God decided on another way. First, He had His Son Jesus (the only one strong enough) maintain righteousness throughout His life. Then He had His righteous Son take the punishment and die for all the sins of all mankind. Then He had Jesus rise from the dead, and gave Jesus the authority for all the universe.

Why did God do this? So all that people have to do is to believe that Jesus did this, and then accept the Jesus-salvation held out to them. But, when a person continually sins intentionally, does he really believe in Jesus-salvation? But if he really believes, how long can he maintain his faith and still intentionally sin?

Believe in Jesus-salvation, the only thing that can save you. Then, stop intentional sinning, the thing that destroys your faith in Jesus-salvation.

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Jesus isn’t god’s son.
He is a Jew whose mother claimed that she became pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

And as the saying says : once a Jew, always a Jew.

Except for the miracles that Jesus did, and still does through the Holy Spirit. These prove that Jesus is the Son of God, because nobody else has done such an abundance of great miracles as Jesus has done.

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October 11, 2019, 12:08:08 AM
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you should find out in more detail, no one teaches bad things as mentioned. i'm sure it's only a person who wants to damage the image of religion and create hostility, if you study deeper you will find peace

 
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October 11, 2019, 12:15:42 AM
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You can find Islamic peace without Islam. And when it's without Islam, it's without the violence written right into the Koran and Hadiths - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

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You can find Islamic peace without Islam. And when it's without Islam, it's without the violence written right into the Koran and Hadiths - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

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Or we could abandon religion altogether? Jihad, crusades, slavery.  Religion brings very little good in this world compared to the mass atrocities it creates. 

 
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October 11, 2019, 03:16:48 AM
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^^^ Nobody can be good enough to get into Heaven. That's why God decided on another way. First, He had His Son Jesus (the only one strong enough) maintain righteousness throughout His life. Then He had His righteous Son take the punishment and die for all the sins of all mankind. Then He had Jesus rise from the dead, and gave Jesus the authority for all the universe.

Why did God do this? So all that people have to do is to believe that Jesus did this, and then accept the Jesus-salvation held out to them. But, when a person continually sins intentionally, does he really believe in Jesus-salvation? But if he really believes, how long can he maintain his faith and still intentionally sin?

Believe in Jesus-salvation, the only thing that can save you. Then, stop intentional sinning, the thing that destroys your faith in Jesus-salvation.

Cool

Jesus isn’t god’s son.
He is a Jew whose mother claimed that she became pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

And as the saying says : once a Jew, always a Jew.

Except for the miracles that Jesus did, and still does through the Holy Spirit. These prove that Jesus is the Son of God, because nobody else has done such an abundance of great miracles as Jesus has done.

Cool

Please reference some of these miracles. Preferably, miracles that occurred after the advent of photography and actual data recording.

Can you pick one in the last 20 years then provide evidence of divine intervention?

 
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October 11, 2019, 08:03:21 PM
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You can find Islamic peace without Islam. And when it's without Islam, it's without the violence written right into the Koran and Hadiths - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

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Or we could abandon religion altogether? Jihad, crusades, slavery.  Religion brings very little good in this world compared to the mass atrocities it creates. 

Nobody can abandon religion. Many have abandoned formal religion that is an institutional body. But nobody abandons personal, informal religion... except if he is in a coma, or is a vegetable... and maybe not even then. Why? It's in the definition of "religion..." https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t. If you want to see it, you need to go through the points of the definition, and think about how they might or might not apply. Some of the definition applies to everyone.

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