Religion of Peace? Why Religion At All

[yoseph]

Islam is RIGHT about women? 

I am not believing the life after death but I love few things and hate few things of islamic religion,you may say that they are keeping women as slave but why we cannot say they are protecting them?

Ignore the practices from some Arab countries they are taking the advantages of religion and marrying more women as much as they can but its not really what it meant for the multiple marriages allowed.

They are just trying to satisfy their sexual and i mean no offense to anyone but i will say that the Prophet Mohammed wanting to marry more than a single wife is the main reason why he said that it was okay for a man of Islamic faith to marry more than one. This is no revelation from God but rather his own desire.

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[akram143]

Islam is RIGHT about women? 

I am not believing the life after death but I love few things and hate few things of islamic religion,you may say that they are keeping women as slave but why we cannot say they are protecting them?

Ignore the practices from some Arab countries they are taking the advantages of religion and marrying more women as much as they can but its not really what it meant for the multiple marriages allowed.

They are just trying to satisfy their sexual and i mean no offense to anyone but i will say that the Prophet Mohammed wanting to marry more than a single wife is the main reason why he said that it was okay for a man of Islamic faith to marry more than one. This is no revelation from God but rather his own desire.

This is not true though,you need to understand what is the real reason behind he married many women nor girls,if sexual satisfaction is the reason then he would married many virgins not the widows who is elder than him.So from this he wanted to impose the muslims to protect the widow from sexual abuse of perverts and that time period is highly unsafe for the women to live after her husband died even they will be killed before the burial as well.

[Judge-Dredd]

People need structure for life and for the most part, religion has fulfilled that role. As long as they keep it private I wouldn't mind. However I think the secular state should pursue those that use religion for harm (pedophile clerics, extremists inciting violence) and not let them hide behind "separation of Church and State".

It's kind of confusing sometimes since there are several interpretations of islam's teachings. Some moderate muslim can really convince you that islam is not about jihad and hate towards non-believers. I've come across some of these muslims and they're one of the most tolerant group of people i've ever encountered. And then there are the extremists who, as well all know, take the teachings of the Quran way too literally without giving ground.

Meh, wouldn't trust even "moderates" with the whole taqqiya thing floating about. You can never really be sure if they are telling you the truth when you ask them anything related to their religion.

You hit the nail on the head here. I understand the structure of life portion of the debate but I don't see the need for religious beliefs to enforce that. To each his own I suppose. I personally don't require religion as a form of structure but I can see where many others would (maybe poor quality of living, lower intellect, whatever)

Quietly practiced it's not a big deal. When others are violated as a result that's where I have a problem. Even the annoyance of JWs knocking on my door is enough to get me fired up sometimes. Pretty common occurence where I'm from. Do not come to my house and try to push your beliefs upon me. If we want to play that game I will go around knocking on their doors asking if they've heard of the gospel of bitcoin.

[BADecker]

So, you stay nice and ignorant about Islam, because this allows you to be a Muslim (for what purpose, nobody can guess).

Then the cleric comes to you all and says, "Time for Jihad. Kill all the infidels around you."

You decide on peace, and disobey the cleric.

Then the cleric says, "All faithful Muslims, listen to me. Kill all the unfaithful Muslims who won't Jihad, because they are really against us."

Suddenly you are not a Muslim even though you have been telling yourself all along that you were. Or would you suddenly start becoming a real Muslim?

So cleric your mentioning is Prophet Muhammed? He is the one told muslims to follow five things and like I said there is no need to follow all the things told by anyone just beyourself and don't hurt others.If you want to go to heaven do more things than bad.

Since you didn't even speak to my point, you show that you don't understand Islam, except if you are applying the Islamic tenet of attempting to deceive those who are not Muslims. What I mean is, I agreed that you don't have to follow the orders of a cleric. In fact, you don't have to follow directives of anybody. We agree on that.

My point was, where will you stand when a cleric imposes laws on you to Jihad? What will you do when the cleric-obedient Muslims around you decide to obey the cleric and do Jihad? What will you do when they obey the cleric to Jihad against disobedient Muslims... who really aren't Muslims at all even though they say that they are? Got your guns ready? Are you ready to "Jihad" against the cleric and the obedient Muslims? 

You don't even seem to know that Islam law is whatever Muhammed dictated, except in areas that he didn't cover. Those areas are controlled by the Hadiths and other cleric writings of the past. But if they weren't covered there, then they are up to the current clerics. Only if none of the above are willing to adjudicate the correctness of what you are doing... only then are you free to do it. But be careful. Some clerics might adjudicate that you used your freedom incorrectly, and set their "faithful" Muslims on a trail of executing you.

People are not leaders, generally. They want "clerics" to show them the way. They will listen to their clerics. If you want to act with authority that is reasonably safe, you had better become a prominent cleric, who remains in good standing with fellow clerics. To do this, you had better study Islamic writings well.

And I don't say this for akram143 only. I say this as warning for all the non-Muslims as well as the so-called peaceful Muslims. There isn't any such thing as a peaceful Muslim. There are only ignorant Muslims, lying in wait without knowing it, to violently take the lives of people who are not Muslims, and for harshly correcting Muslims who are not ready for Jihad.

[akram143]

So, you stay nice and ignorant about Islam, because this allows you to be a Muslim (for what purpose, nobody can guess).

Then the cleric comes to you all and says, "Time for Jihad. Kill all the infidels around you."

You decide on peace, and disobey the cleric.

Then the cleric says, "All faithful Muslims, listen to me. Kill all the unfaithful Muslims who won't Jihad, because they are really against us."

Suddenly you are not a Muslim even though you have been telling yourself all along that you were. Or would you suddenly start becoming a real Muslim?

So cleric your mentioning is Prophet Muhammed? He is the one told muslims to follow five things and like I said there is no need to follow all the things told by anyone just beyourself and don't hurt others.If you want to go to heaven do more things than bad.

Since you didn't even speak to my point, you show that you don't understand Islam, except if you are applying the Islamic tenet of attempting to deceive those who are not Muslims. What I mean is, I agreed that you don't have to follow the orders of a cleric. In fact, you don't have to follow directives of anybody. We agree on that.

My point was, where will you stand when a cleric imposes laws on you to Jihad? What will you do when the cleric-obedient Muslims around you decide to obey the cleric and do Jihad? What will you do when they obey the cleric to Jihad against disobedient Muslims... who really aren't Muslims at all even though they say that they are? Got your guns ready? Are you ready to "Jihad" against the cleric and the obedient Muslims?  

You don't even seem to know that Islam law is whatever Muhammed dictated, except in areas that he didn't cover. Those areas are controlled by the Hadiths and other cleric writings of the past. But if they weren't covered there, then they are up to the current clerics. Only if none of the above are willing to adjudicate the correctness of what you are doing... only then are you free to do it. But be careful. Some clerics might adjudicate that you used your freedom incorrectly, and set their "faithful" Muslims on a trail of executing you.

People are not leaders, generally. They want "clerics" to show them the way. They will listen to their clerics. If you want to act with authority that is reasonably safe, you had better become a prominent cleric, who remains in good standing with fellow clerics. To do this, you had better study Islamic writings well.

And I don't say this for akram143 only. I say this as warning for all the non-Muslims as well as the so-called peaceful Muslims. There isn't any such thing as a peaceful Muslim. There are only ignorant Muslims, lying in wait without knowing it, to violently take the lives of people who are not Muslims, and for harshly correcting Muslims who are not ready for Jihad.

Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first.

[TheCoinGrabber]

People need structure for life and for the most part, religion has fulfilled that role. As long as they keep it private I wouldn't mind. However I think the secular state should pursue those that use religion for harm (pedophile clerics, extremists inciting violence) and not let them hide behind "separation of Church and State".

It's kind of confusing sometimes since there are several interpretations of islam's teachings. Some moderate muslim can really convince you that islam is not about jihad and hate towards non-believers. I've come across some of these muslims and they're one of the most tolerant group of people i've ever encountered. And then there are the extremists who, as well all know, take the teachings of the Quran way too literally without giving ground.

Meh, wouldn't trust even "moderates" with the whole taqqiya thing floating about. You can never really be sure if they are telling you the truth when you ask them anything related to their religion.

You hit the nail on the head here. I understand the structure of life portion of the debate but I don't see the need for religious beliefs to enforce that. To each his own I suppose. I personally don't require religion as a form of structure but I can see where many others would (maybe poor quality of living, lower intellect, whatever)

Quietly practiced it's not a big deal. When others are violated as a result that's where I have a problem. Even the annoyance of JWs knocking on my door is enough to get me fired up sometimes. Pretty common occurence where I'm from. Do not come to my house and try to push your beliefs upon me. If we want to play that game I will go around knocking on their doors asking if they've heard of the gospel of bitcoin.

Unfortunately there are many people who want to dominate others. They see their religion as something superior that must be imposed on others.

Which is why I'd be wary of "moderates". They may "genuinely" not agree with the methods of the fundamentalists but they have no problem with the end result.

Found this in my recommendations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHC6x367GMc  Guy is still quite religious but I still do agree that Islam is a threat. Sure there are still militant Christians but many Christian country has more or less become quite tolerant about most things. The same cannot be said of Islam.

[inanilujimi]

People need structure for life and for the most part, religion has fulfilled that role. As long as they keep it private I wouldn't mind. However I think the secular state should pursue those that use religion for harm (pedophile clerics, extremists inciting violence) and not let them hide behind "separation of Church and State".

It's kind of confusing sometimes since there are several interpretations of islam's teachings. Some moderate muslim can really convince you that islam is not about jihad and hate towards non-believers. I've come across some of these muslims and they're one of the most tolerant group of people i've ever encountered. And then there are the extremists who, as well all know, take the teachings of the Quran way too literally without giving ground.

Meh, wouldn't trust even "moderates" with the whole taqqiya thing floating about. You can never really be sure if they are telling you the truth when you ask them anything related to their religion.

You hit the nail on the head here. I understand the structure of life portion of the debate but I don't see the need for religious beliefs to enforce that. To each his own I suppose. I personally don't require religion as a form of structure but I can see where many others would (maybe poor quality of living, lower intellect, whatever)

Quietly practiced it's not a big deal. When others are violated as a result that's where I have a problem. Even the annoyance of JWs knocking on my door is enough to get me fired up sometimes. Pretty common occurence where I'm from. Do not come to my house and try to push your beliefs upon me. If we want to play that game I will go around knocking on their doors asking if they've heard of the gospel of bitcoin.

Unfortunately there are many people who want to dominate others. They see their religion as something superior that must be imposed on others.

Which is why I'd be wary of "moderates". They may "genuinely" not agree with the methods of the fundamentalists but they have no problem with the end result.

Found this in my recommendations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHC6x367GMc  Guy is still quite religious but I still do agree that Islam is a threat. Sure there are still militant Christians but many Christian country has more or less become quite tolerant about most things. The same cannot be said of Islam.

don't ever denigrate other people's religion, in my country all people are free to embrace religion in accordance with their respective beliefs.
in the teachings of religion there is not the slightest teaching that teaches violence, on the contrary religion is made to make people free from damage.

[BADecker]

don't ever denigrate other people's religion, in my country all people are free to embrace religion in accordance with their respective beliefs.
in the teachings of religion there is not the slightest teaching that teaches violence, on the contrary religion is made to make people free from damage.

If you don't believe the same things that others do, why respect their beliefs? Rather, respect the people, that they are people. But don't respect their wrong beliefs. If you do, you are starting to change yours into wrongs ones.

Islam is one of the few religions that teaches violence and peace mixed. The trick is to separate the two, and see what it is all about... who is to be treated peacefully, and who is to be treated violently. If you haven't read through this thread, and found the link to Muslim violence directives in their religion, then click here http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

[BADecker]

Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first.

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

[akram143]

Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first.

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

[BADecker]

Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first.

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

Now I am shocked... and absolutely scared for you... talking against Allah like that. Don't you realize that he is all-powerful?

[Judge-Dredd]

Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first.

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

Now I am shocked... and absolutely scared for you... talking against Allah like that. Don't you realize that he is all-powerful?

It's true. Apparently to stand up to those teachings and the prophet are a death wish. One of many examples, but have we forgotten this?

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

An example of zealotry in its purest form. Satire leading to multiple murders.

I'll spend my last breath defending against nonsense like this.

[BADecker]

Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first.

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

Now I am shocked... and absolutely scared for you... talking against Allah like that. Don't you realize that he is all-powerful?

It's true. Apparently to stand up to those teachings and the prophet are a death wish. One of many examples, but have we forgotten this?

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

An example of zealotry in its purest form. Satire leading to multiple murders.

I'll spend my last breath defending against nonsense like this.

A true romantic! But... even Lawrence of Arabia was assassinated, though few people realize it.

[JonMak0987Bitch]

Progress is not yet in all corners of our planet, but for now, people will turn to some local creatures for a long time.

[BADecker]

^^^ The only reason God is bringing progress to the corners of the planet is so that knowledge of Him and Jesus salvation can come to all people.

[Judge-Dredd]

^^^ The only reason God is bringing progress to the corners of the planet is so that knowledge of Him and Jesus salvation can come to all people.

By that logic how are there godless people who are intelligent and contribute to human progress around the globe?

God is not a pre-requisite to knowledge and improving human quality of life.

Here's a question.. what's your opinion on the legacy of Mother teresa?

[Magkirap]

It's easy in today's world to blame Islam of backwards savagery against women, children, etc. Yet this is still protected by the left?

Why? When at the same time Christianity is under attack in the modern political and social climate. Other than the obvious propagation of pedophilia by the Catholic church, Christians' rape and pillaging days are over for the most part.

Other than instinctual human greed, religion has caused more conflict in human history than anything else. Why do we still need it? Are there any merits left?

I understand a common argument here may be that it instills fear in common folk and helps to provide them a reason to behave but we shouldn't need the fear of deities smiting us to act as a normal citizen and respect others' rights. You can also be a hopeful human being without religion. This is not a debate of "not all the religious folk are bad eggs" the debate here is why it still exists in any form in the year 2019.

For me, I don't believe with religion but still I respect others. What was important for me was Spirituality. With this idea, you are not being controlled by norms but instead you will decide what is right or wrong and everything was based on your experiences in life. The problem with religion is that some of them are arguing with others because they have different beliefs. Thats nonsense actually. First of all both of you are with different religion so that you have different belief.

[akram143]

Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first.

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

Now I am shocked... and absolutely scared for you... talking against Allah like that. Don't you realize that he is all-powerful?

Allah is not going to assasinate me,there are some extremist will do that in the name of Allah,so they also same like everyone so no need to bow for them.

[Daniel91]

Maybe I don't know much about these things,I will research about in this week and also will ask is this were told by clerics or what was the actual meaning of jihad and blah blah to someone who teaching Quaran in my place.

Anyway "my life my rules" if anyone want to interrupt that they need to answer my gun first.

Come, come, now. You're a peaceful Muslim, right? What would Allah say about you even talking about violence with guns? Doesn't Allah rule in your life? Be careful. Your guns can't stand up against Allah.

Our life is more important than anyone's words so if they are going to endager me then they need to face the consequences.

Now I am shocked... and absolutely scared for you... talking against Allah like that. Don't you realize that he is all-powerful?

Allah is not going to assasinate me,there are some extremist will do that in the name of Allah,so they also same like everyone so no need to bow for them.

There are always extremists who think they are speaking in the name of God but God is our Heavenly Parent and love and we all are His children and brothers and sisters.
If God was truly asked, there would be no killing and violence in his name, and we will have religion of peace.
The problem is that many so-called religious leaders interpret the scriptures in their own way and claim to speak in the name of God.
Because of this we have religious wars and conflicts, not because of God.

[josephsonand]

It's easy in today's world to blame Islam of backwards savagery against women, children, etc. Yet this is still protected by the left?

Why? When at the same time Christianity is under attack in the modern political and social climate. Other than the obvious propagation of pedophilia by the Catholic church, Christians' rape and pillaging days are over for the most part.

Other than instinctual human greed, religion has caused more conflict in human history than anything else. Why do we still need it? Are there any merits left?

I understand a common argument here may be that it instills fear in common folk and helps to provide them a reason to behave but we shouldn't need the fear of deities smiting us to act as a normal citizen and respect others' rights. You can also be a hopeful human being without religion. This is not a debate of "not all the religious folk are bad eggs" the debate here is why it still exists in any form in the year 2019.

Well if this isn't about 'not all the religious folk are bad eggs', then it's about people who need to believe in something, and the exact year doesn't matter. Some human thing gives individual internal support. After all, there's a fear of death.

Despite all the occasions, even the horrible ones.