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October 04, 2019, 04:43:23 AM
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This is very unfortunate! Some Governments are anti-crypto and would exert efforts to prevent it or discourage it from its own citizens but eventually, they will reconsider it once mass adoption becomes full blown and other foreign Governments adopts it.

I suggest that if some of you can't access  this forum due to some censorship ion your country, you can try to use VPN or TOR so that it will give you more privacy and less fear from Government interventions.

Yeah that works. Always check the security and prohibition of crypto in your location, although the internet is also secured by the government, there are various ways on how to deal with it. Use some IP address generator like what you've said, like VPN or TOR and it'll provide you security and you'll become invisible in your country. So you can deal with crypto safe and comfortably.

In terms of Government, banks are really the conflict in some blockchain promotion. But you can use internet or social media carefully. Sooner or later, the bank will adapt the bitcoin when they understand its advantages and benefits. We just need to be patient.
For now, using VPN will be the best option to access crypto sites, however, if ever your funds will be hard to cash out. Unless you have found a way. You just have to wait for your country to adopt in cryptocurrency, time will come and it will surely to happen in the future. for now, stay in touch with bitcoin, use VPN to do so.

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Last edit: October 04, 2019, 10:32:06 AM by mprep
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banks usually temporary close accounts that raise flags, these are accounts that are doing a lot of bitcoin trading and we are talking about large volumes not a small user buying some bitcoin every now and then with small amounts of money. and i think it is partly because these exchanges are not regulated so there are some red flags about them anyways.
if your bank is causing you any trouble then simply close your account with that bank and move to another one.

You know, one of my plans was to buy numerous Bitcoin and Ethereum polo shirt and wear them (to help promote). I'll still keep trying what I can to spread the word.

you won't be "spreading the word" by wearing a shirt and talking about "trading" bitcoin and pump and dump altcoins like ethereum. the only way to "spread the word" is to actually start spending bitcoin.
when was the last time you paid for something with bitcoin if ever? when was the last time you asked a merchant if they accepted bitcoin payment?

I understand that making payments in btc promotes it. However, wearing a bitcoin branded shirt has a lot to do....



This is really sad for those people who are really supportive to cryptocurrency. There are countries who are lenient in regards to cryptocurrency yet only few people are aware and using crypto, abd there are countries who are strict when it comes to crypto. The only thing you can do is to make sure that your funds are secured. The regulation in your country must be cautious and skeptical when it comes to money earned thru crypto.

Yea, it's really sad because I really have tried promoting the Blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies. In other words, I'm very supportive to both. However, ain't no stopping....

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October 04, 2019, 08:30:32 AM
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Dealing with cryptocurrency (in my country) isn't easy as I thought......<>   Turkey!

Well...isn't this a surprise?  /s

But, but wasn't Turkey the country with the biggest percentage of bitcoin holders?
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A fifth of the Turkish participants in the Statista poll declared they own crypto.
So, it's either that all the claims about usage, owners, holders are fake or ...or they are fake.

For years I've been trying to warn people not to believe all that carp about how some country is leading in the crypto world when they have fewer ATMs in the whole country than some western cities, less than 1% of the nodes, no real shops...no nothing, but still...there are 20 millions Turks owning crypto!!!


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No, 70% of our customers are foreigner, we do not perform any kind of KYC as long the Withdrawal or Deposit is carried in CASH....

This is gold!!

I understand that making payments in btc promotes it. However, wearing a bitcoin branded shirt has a lot to do....

I don't know how it is in Tukey, but here, after a wave of madness with customized shirts nobody gives a damn what is written on, it nobody pays any attention. A shirt won't do, bitcoin is money, let the money talk!

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October 04, 2019, 10:52:22 AM
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Today, while I was surfing through the forum, I came across a post in which someone complained about bitcointalk.org not loading in Turkey. Under his post were several replies that explained that the site happens to be blocked by some internet service providers (which is sad).
A few days ago, I made a post in which I asked "What have you done to promote the Blockchain technology & cryptocurrencies?".
I went through several replies which were pleasing and supportive to the Blockchain technology. Amongst them, someone said that he wore bitcoin shirts around (an ideology I really admire). Another said that he created a facebook page (also interesting).
Just recently, I saw a complain from someone in my country. According to the screenshot which contained a mail from his bank, it said that his bank account has been frozen because they found out that it has something to do with virtual trading (cryptocurrency). Not only was I surprised, I was provoked. You know, one of my plans was to buy numerous Bitcoin and Ethereum polo shirt and wear them (to help promote). However, as it stands right now, I'm afraid I can't do that because I could be held as a user of cryptocurrency. Though this isn't any easy, I'll still keep trying what I can to spread the word. The Blockchain technology gospel must be heard!!!

From your post, my inference is that, your government is somehow afraid of what bitcoin and other cryptocurrency can influence to their country. We all know how powerful and effective it is, so do they. But I think even if we use VPN to hide our identity, there's a way for the government and service providers to block even using a vpn. What they are doing is blocking the information about crypto, they can't block crypto itself, in that case, you can still continue to accumulate and utilize it.
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October 04, 2019, 01:50:35 PM
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Don't worry, you can still support bitcoin in some other way if your country doesn't allow you to do so, you can do what the others did.
like, for example, you want to create a website like bitcoin talk, make a community website where most members are your fellow countrymen. you can talk there with your own native language and update it regularly and you can talk there about your good opinions of bitcoin. with this simple thing, you can share some knowledge at the same time build a strong bond between you and your countrymen.

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October 04, 2019, 01:52:27 PM
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This is very unfortunate! Some Governments are anti-crypto and would exert efforts to prevent it or discourage it from its own citizens but eventually, they will reconsider it once mass adoption becomes full blown and other foreign Governments adopts it.

I suggest that if some of you can't access  this forum due to some censorship ion your country, you can try to use VPN or TOR so that it will give you more privacy and less fear from Government interventions.

Its not the government which is preventing access to the websites in this case. Turkey's government aren't the bad guys here instead its the internet providers of Turkey who are restricting access to social media and Cryptocurrency related websites. This should not be used as a anti government movement as its not the government enforcing these restrictions on the Turkish population.

Well, the government must have something to do with it because as far as I know internet providers are governed bu tules and regulations and if it is stipulated in the laws of the government not to allow access to crypto related websites then for sure no internet providers will allow it because it is against the rule. It could be that the reason internet providers not allowing access to crypto related sites it's because majority of the shareholders are government officials or anti-crypto people.
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October 04, 2019, 01:59:26 PM
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Today, while I was surfing through the forum, I came across a post in which someone complained about bitcointalk.org not loading in Turkey. Under his post were several replies that explained that the site happens to be blocked by some internet service providers (which is sad).
A few days ago, I made a post in which I asked "What have you done to promote the Blockchain technology & cryptocurrencies?".
I went through several replies which were pleasing and supportive to the Blockchain technology. Amongst them, someone said that he wore bitcoin shirts around (an ideology I really admire). Another said that he created a facebook page (also interesting).
Just recently, I saw a complain from someone in my country. According to the screenshot which contained a mail from his bank, it said that his bank account has been frozen because they found out that it has something to do with virtual trading (cryptocurrency). Not only was I surprised, I was provoked. You know, one of my plans was to buy numerous Bitcoin and Ethereum polo shirt and wear them (to help promote). However, as it stands right now, I'm afraid I can't do that because I could be held as a user of cryptocurrency. Though this isn't any easy, I'll still keep trying what I can to spread the word. The Blockchain technology gospel must be heard!!!
It seems your government are not ready yet to accept the potential of cryptocurrency and its kind of sad. I guess the best option for now is to use a VPN so you could access the sites that are related to crypto including this website. Just bear this with the situation you were in now because I am pretty sure that soon they will acknowledge of the crypto so you won't need any VPN.



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October 04, 2019, 02:04:03 PM
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This is very unfortunate! Some Governments are anti-crypto and would exert efforts to prevent it or discourage it from its own citizens but eventually, they will reconsider it once mass adoption becomes full blown and other foreign Governments adopts it.

I suggest that if some of you can't access  this forum due to some censorship ion your country, you can try to use VPN or TOR so that it will give you more privacy and less fear from Government interventions.
Yes there are many countries prohibits using bitcoin maybe the word "bitcoin" is too alarming for them. We should know that there are other ways to earn bitcoin if you cannot access it or you may also promote bitcoin and learn bitcoin if your country banned the website . Try using VPN it can help you it can replace your IP for a limited time not permanent.
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October 04, 2019, 02:22:09 PM
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Wow sounds communistic to me. That is terrible practice and terrible behaviour from a bank. They scared you won't need them and you don't. Close your account immediately and open one elsewhere. This is ridiculous and anti-freedom. They have no right to tell you what you do with your own funds and this is the exact reason why crypto is better. You can tell them to fuck right off and never need them again. You can take their position and be your own bank with crypto, Never rely on them again. If they don't need your business then remove it with pleasure.

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October 04, 2019, 02:28:00 PM
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It's not like they can do something or anything when they saw you wearing shirt with bitcoin or any cryptoccurency logo. A lot of people tend to wear shirts not knowing the real meaning behind those prints and design. When they feel like it's pretty, they will just buy it... Your country may be strict with virtual trading but I bet your country don't have any rules about wearing shirts like that. So you don't have to be afraid of it... Another simple way to promote it, is to introduce it to your friends.

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Today, while I was surfing through the forum, I came across a post in which someone complained about bitcointalk.org not loading in Turkey. Under his post were several replies that explained that the site happens to be blocked by some internet service providers (which is sad).
A few days ago, I made a post in which I asked "What have you done to promote the Blockchain technology & cryptocurrencies?".
I went through several replies which were pleasing and supportive to the Blockchain technology. Amongst them, someone said that he wore bitcoin shirts around (an ideology I really admire). Another said that he created a facebook page (also interesting).
Just recently, I saw a complain from someone in my country. According to the screenshot which contained a mail from his bank, it said that his bank account has been frozen because they found out that it has something to do with virtual trading (cryptocurrency). Not only was I surprised, I was provoked. You know, one of my plans was to buy numerous Bitcoin and Ethereum polo shirt and wear them (to help promote). However, as it stands right now, I'm afraid I can't do that because I could be held as a user of cryptocurrency. Though this isn't any easy, I'll still keep trying what I can to spread the word. The Blockchain technology gospel must be heard!!!

Last year here in Brazil, some banks close exchange accounts because they are simply cryptocurrency exchanges. The exchanges contacted the court and gained the right to have an account at these banks.

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October 04, 2019, 05:27:42 PM
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Today, while I was surfing through the forum, I came across a post in which someone complained about bitcointalk.org not loading in Turkey. Under his post were several replies that explained that the site happens to be blocked by some internet service providers (which is sad).
A few days ago, I made a post in which I asked "What have you done to promote the Blockchain technology & cryptocurrencies?".
I went through several replies which were pleasing and supportive to the Blockchain technology. Amongst them, someone said that he wore bitcoin shirts around (an ideology I really admire). Another said that he created a facebook page (also interesting).
Just recently, I saw a complain from someone in my country. According to the screenshot which contained a mail from his bank, it said that his bank account has been frozen because they found out that it has something to do with virtual trading (cryptocurrency). Not only was I surprised, I was provoked. You know, one of my plans was to buy numerous Bitcoin and Ethereum polo shirt and wear them (to help promote). However, as it stands right now, I'm afraid I can't do that because I could be held as a user of cryptocurrency. Though this isn't any easy, I'll still keep trying what I can to spread the word. The Blockchain technology gospel must be heard!!!

Can you find the official position of your government regarding this matter first? Then you can plan on what to do next. For example, if the official position is i favor you could denounce this bank for going against government policy.

I see your country also does widespread internet censorship, tho mine has so far only done it to political dissent and porn. Thankfully not against Bitcoin. Do remember that guy that made a Bitcoin cafe in a country where Bitcoin is forbidden, its only to promote but not actually use it while the law remains.

I also see other posts saying your country is embracing Bitcoin, so i wonder which is true. Get some official facts first, as you have access in your own language that we just don't.

If you go with t-shirts, do remember you can order print them, with say, a qr-code of your address. I wouldn't bother with Ethereum, they are a bad example for the community (infamously reversed transactions, if they have this power, they can (ab)use it again...).

Its not about blockchain, a blockchain alone cannot do what Bitcoin can: Separate money from the State and private entities, a free coin.

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October 04, 2019, 05:39:29 PM
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I'm not sure if you saw this so I will post it one more time. I'm pretty sure this solves a lot of the problems faced when trying to exchange or use your crypto in Turkey. I just double checked with my devs and the service is up and running in Turkey. It works very well according to them. I stand behind what they say though. https://nakitcoins.com/ Give it a try and let me know what you think. I'm not promoting them and I get nothing from this. I just hate to hear about people having difficulty using Bitcoin and other cryptos. I think we all need to take that responsibility of helping those in restricted regions to gain access to crypto. I noticed a lot of people on this thread are also taking this seriously and I thank you all.

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October 04, 2019, 11:02:46 PM
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This is very unfortunate! Some Governments are anti-crypto and would exert efforts to prevent it or discourage it from its own citizens but eventually, they will reconsider it once mass adoption becomes full blown and other foreign Governments adopts it.

I suggest that if some of you can't access  this forum due to some censorship ion your country, you can try to use VPN or TOR so that it will give you more privacy and less fear from Government interventions.

Its not the government which is preventing access to the websites in this case. Turkey's government aren't the bad guys here instead its the internet providers of Turkey who are restricting access to social media and Cryptocurrency related websites. This should not be used as a anti government movement as its not the government enforcing these restrictions on the Turkish population.

Technically, its the internet providers that restricts access to social media sites but why they did it? Do they don't want to give good services to their customers and want more subscribers? Its very ironic, because if you are a  company providing service to masses, then you will do your best to be successful in that field just  like in the case of providers - an uncensored internet access! but not unless they were constrained also by Government restrictions, just like China does.
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October 04, 2019, 11:15:13 PM
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I'm not surprised about the status of cryptocurrency in Turkey because the ICO scams which happened around the year 2016-2017 if I could remember correctly which affected a lot Turkey citizen will be the reason why the Turkish authorities recognized blockchain but don't consider Bitcoin to be a currency or electronic money. But, I still wonder how BTCTurk exchange offers their service there OP?

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October 04, 2019, 11:33:24 PM
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This is very unfortunate! Some Governments are anti-crypto and would exert efforts to prevent it or discourage it from its own citizens but eventually, they will reconsider it once mass adoption becomes full blown and other foreign Governments adopts it.

I suggest that if some of you can't access  this forum due to some censorship ion your country, you can try to use VPN or TOR so that it will give you more privacy and less fear from Government interventions.

Its not the government which is preventing access to the websites in this case. Turkey's government aren't the bad guys here instead its the internet providers of Turkey who are restricting access to social media and Cryptocurrency related websites. This should not be used as a anti government movement as its not the government enforcing these restrictions on the Turkish population.

Technically, its the internet providers that restricts access to social media sites but why they did it? Do they don't want to give good services to their customers and want more subscribers? Its very ironic, because if you are a  company providing service to masses, then you will do your best to be successful in that field just  like in the case of providers - an uncensored internet access! but not unless they were constrained also by Government restrictions, just like China does.
We can't totally blame internet service providers for complying with the rules and regulations of the country where they operate because the governments are the one behind the restrictions for bitcoin is not regulated nor legalized in Turkey. However, going against the law in other to satisfy the masses will totally cost the internet service provider their license.

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October 04, 2019, 11:49:38 PM
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Today, while I was surfing through the forum, I came across a post in which someone complained about bitcointalk.org not loading in Turkey. Under his post were several replies that explained that the site happens to be blocked by some internet service providers (which is sad).
A few days ago, I made a post in which I asked "What have you done to promote the Blockchain technology & cryptocurrencies?".
I went through several replies which were pleasing and supportive to the Blockchain technology. Amongst them, someone said that he wore bitcoin shirts around (an ideology I really admire). Another said that he created a facebook page (also interesting).
Just recently, I saw a complain from someone in my country. According to the screenshot which contained a mail from his bank, it said that his bank account has been frozen because they found out that it has something to do with virtual trading (cryptocurrency). Not only was I surprised, I was provoked. You know, one of my plans was to buy numerous Bitcoin and Ethereum polo shirt and wear them (to help promote). However, as it stands right now, I'm afraid I can't do that because I could be held as a user of cryptocurrency. Though this isn't any easy, I'll still keep trying what I can to spread the word. The Blockchain technology gospel must be heard!!!
It's so frustrating to hear your situation there in your country. But hopefully someday your country will accept cryptocurrency and allow it's community to use it. Anyway,not only your country is against cryptocurrency ,although in our country is open to use crypto ,they are still strict specially if you bind your bank accounts in cryptocurrency. It is because of anti-money laundering act.

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October 05, 2019, 12:04:43 AM
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Today, while I was surfing through the forum, I came across a post in which someone complained about bitcointalk.org not loading in Turkey. Under his post were several replies that explained that the site happens to be blocked by some internet service providers (which is sad).
A few days ago, I made a post in which I asked "What have you done to promote the Blockchain technology & cryptocurrencies?".
I went through several replies which were pleasing and supportive to the Blockchain technology. Amongst them, someone said that he wore bitcoin shirts around (an ideology I really admire). Another said that he created a facebook page (also interesting).
Just recently, I saw a complain from someone in my country. According to the screenshot which contained a mail from his bank, it said that his bank account has been frozen because they found out that it has something to do with virtual trading (cryptocurrency). Not only was I surprised, I was provoked. You know, one of my plans was to buy numerous Bitcoin and Ethereum polo shirt and wear them (to help promote). However, as it stands right now, I'm afraid I can't do that because I could be held as a user of cryptocurrency. Though this isn't any easy, I'll still keep trying what I can to spread the word. The Blockchain technology gospel must be heard!!!

You should be aware of rules of your countries and pretend to follow them for your good. Most of the countries don't care what you do and how you spend your money unless you link your bank account to an exchange. Wearing t-shirts or discussing about crypto is not a problem in most parts of world. Even though bitcoin and crypto holding and trading is officially banned in my country, the ministry of technology keeps on holding blockchain and crypto conference every year.


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October 05, 2019, 12:59:13 AM
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banks usually temporary close accounts that raise flags, these are accounts that are doing a lot of bitcoin trading and we are talking about large volumes not a small user buying some bitcoin every now and then with small amounts of money. and i think it is partly because these exchanges are not regulated so there are some red flags about them anyways.
if your bank is causing you any trouble then simply close your account with that bank and move to another one.

You know, one of my plans was to buy numerous Bitcoin and Ethereum polo shirt and wear them (to help promote). I'll still keep trying what I can to spread the word.

you won't be "spreading the word" by wearing a shirt and talking about "trading" bitcoin and pump and dump altcoins like ethereum. the only way to "spread the word" is to actually start spending bitcoin.
when was the last time you paid for something with bitcoin if ever? when was the last time you asked a merchant if they accepted bitcoin payment?
I've heard a lot of stories about crypto traders that often do large volume cash deposits and bank transfers, and their banks have even sometimes closed their accounts due to how much volume there is, and often times the government gets involved and tries to tax them as much as possible.

And yes, that is true. Wearing a t-shirt around isn't that much of a help as actually using your BTC for merchants, and promoting BTC adoption.


You know, one of my plans was to buy numerous Bitcoin and Ethereum polo shirt and wear them (to help promote). However, as it stands right now, I'm afraid I can't do that because I could be held as a user of cryptocurrency.

There's very little chance that your bank will go as far as checking what kind of clothes you are wearing to determine whether you're a cryptocurrency user or not. Usually they just notice that you send or withdraw fiat money from exchanges to their bank, and then decide to freeze your accounts, because they don't want to risk serving customer whose money they can't track. Just don't connect your account with anything crypto-related and you will be fine.
Even if you do that, and leave your bank alone, a lot of times when you are doing large volume transactions, they will suspect that you are dealing with cryptocurrency trading.

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They restrict it because they want to be intermediary to all of your financial transactions. I suggest you to instead use VPNs and avoid using your bank account to transact related to cryptocurrency. In my country, we have an e-wallet service that has included crypto addresses of the few, most used cryptocurrency such as BTC, ETH, BCH, and XRP. Fortunately, our government still does not propose a law restricting its use. If it were to be made, then transacting crypto would be also a lot harder for us and if governments of different countries adopt this policy, then the future isn't looking good for crypto and trades and transactions of it would be like underground market.



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