Nutildah -willing to facilitate scammers for around 300bucks?? deleting evidence

[The-One-Above-All]

If you have scraped the board even a couple of months ago you should have the unedited post should you not?

I don't scrape the entire board, only new posts (from Recent Posts).

Ah okay, understood.

[Theb]

He tried to sell his account on a year when account selling wasn't even a thing and he did posted it on his account, nutildah, which only says that he ain't an account seller. Like how other DT members views it they only tag account seller that are just account farmers who basically are just here selling off other farmed accounts to make a living. Based on the archived you gave and how nutildah is still posting today it only means the account wasn't sold at all so basically a sale didn't even happen, there was only an attempt to do so.

[khaled0111]

Nutildah edited his old posts and he knows that it was already archived.
According to you, he is a scammer and shouldn't be trusted, right?
Now, what do you say about someone who dropped his main account and created a new one just because it is hard to edit 13657 posts?
Who should we believe?
CH you are a great person. Just forget about merits and trust and act normally.
You are fighting for the wrong cause.

[The-One-Above-All]

Nutildah edited his old posts and he knows that it was already archived.
According to you, he is a scammer and shouldn't be trusted, right?
Now, what do you say about someone who dropped his main account and created a new one just because it is hard to edit 13657 posts?
Who should we believe?
CH you are a great person. Just forget about merits and trust and act normally.
You are fighting for the wrong cause.

@ theb

Your point is invalid. Please read the thread. This is about a determined willingness to facilitate scamming for a price. NOT JUST SELLING AN ACCOUNT. Please read the entire thread. This all boils down to financially motivated wrongdoing .

THIS IS UNDENIABLE.

@ khaled0111

knows it is archived? so what? people are not essentially to know this or even bother checking his trust list.  Why change a post nearly 4 years after the event that is linked to many times as evidence of financially motivated wrong doing??  to try to put a better spin on it.

What was the price of bitcoin when he was willing to facilitate scamming and EVIL members for 0.3 BTC dust?  does not take much does it? is that even 20 pieces of silver?? scam buster to willing scam facilitator for 0.3btc or perhaps less. No takers though apparently lol

Let us stick to the topic and to what we can prove is UNDENIABLE.

You point regarding a member finding it hard to edit 13657 posts is irrelevant and has no meaning at all.  Financially motivated wrong doing will certainly not be found there.

Fighting for the wrong cause?

So you say a person like nutildah who screams that account selling is evil and facilitates scamming and is so sure about it he is going to start his own thread and trace them down and make sure people don't deal with them........BUT THEN decides for 0.3btc he will turn evil and facilitate scams himself is NOT a financially high risk member?

One that then alters the very incriminating post and thread title years later only after it is becoming a huge issue for him now that he wants to punish people for lesser crimes?  say oh i need to change this because people who I punish are linking to this thread so I don't like that and am going to change it ??

You say fighting scum bags like this and fighting for a transparent set of rules that ensures fair treatment of all members is the wrong fight??  the wrong cause you say??

@suchmoron

We will take from your merit to that above post that you are supporting scammers and members that undeniably will willingly facilitate scaming for a price  editing their posts have been linked to as evidence of financially motivated wrong doing.

Is that why you are giving merit suchmoon? you think it is not shady for scammers/scam facilitators to alter their incriminating posts that are linked to as evidence of financially motivated wrong doing?
That's interesting.

I wonder if you are including such willing scam facilitators on your DT inclusions?  suchscamsupporter?

Dare not get involved in the debate since it will come down the same yes or no end game as moronbozo, so just hides away sniping with merits. What a pathetic fool.

[TECSHARE]

He tried to sell his account on a year when account selling wasn't even a thing and he did posted it on his account, nutildah, which only says that he ain't an account seller. Like how other DT members views it they only tag account seller that are just account farmers who basically are just here selling off other farmed accounts to make a living. Based on the archived you gave and how nutildah is still posting today it only means the account wasn't sold at all so basically a sale didn't even happen, there was only an attempt to do so.

Not true at all. See Bill Gator. Also, what evidence do you have it was not sold? The seller's word? If the current users in control of the default trust didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all. They regularly abuse their authority to protect their own positions and that of their supporters while using any excuse to bury their critics while the few good members on it turn a blind eye in order to protect their own status.

[The-One-Above-All]

He tried to sell his account on a year when account selling wasn't even a thing and he did posted it on his account, nutildah, which only says that he ain't an account seller. Like how other DT members views it they only tag account seller that are just account farmers who basically are just here selling off other farmed accounts to make a living. Based on the archived you gave and how nutildah is still posting today it only means the account wasn't sold at all so basically a sale didn't even happen, there was only an attempt to do so.

Not true at all. See Bill Gator. Also, what evidence do you have it was not sold? The seller's word? If the current users in control of the default trust didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all. They regularly abuse their authority to protect their own positions and that of their supporters while using any excuse to bury their critics while the few good members on it turn a blind eye in order to protect their own status.

Should though we really class these other "good members" as " good choices" for DT since they will turn a blind eye and allow this to continue for their own selfish gain?

I'm not so sure?

The core group of scammers and scammer supporters for pay are so entrenched now in DT that even if a "good member" would speak up on DT they would likely be removed from DT pretty swiftly. Even the designer and warden here will not really dare debate the folly of the entire thing since it is pretty much undeniably a total failure.

The problem is most people simply have zero back bone and weak minds. How could one ever possibly think to decentralize power among such dregs without removing nearly every shred of possible subjectivity from the system. Instead he makes it 100% subjective lol

Where is anonymint of some kind member with more than a one day course in game theory to demonstrate clearly the entire thing is bogus and folly? I mean it is fine point out the results so far a pretty much 100% fail, but he seems to be hanging on for some kind of self healing from the system that is NEVER going to arrive at this rate. Plus he just keeps hamstringing it more with more and more merit based weightings.

Anyway nutildah realizing people are referencing his post as clear evidence of willing scam facilitating (when taken in the context of his prior rantings of how he is sure selling an account is facilitating scammers and is evil)  has now edited it and his thread title to better explain he has changed his mind and it is annoying that people are even turning up to the view the details of the evidence THAT ARE NOW DELETED. LOL

[Slow death]

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have fun in real life, spend little time in the forum, this will do you great. looking at post history of all DT members, looking for things to attack some DT member will not do you any good, will just stress you. don't you agree with the system? so just stay away from this forum or just ignore anything that some DT member that you think is wrong to do. that's very simple

[TECSHARE]

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have fun in real life, spend little time in the forum, this will do you great. looking at post history of all DT members, looking for things to attack some DT member will not do you any good, will just stress you. don't you agree with the system? so just stay away from this forum or just ignore anything that some DT member that you think is wrong to do. that's very simple

[The-One-Above-All]

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have fun in real life, spend little time in the forum, this will do you great. looking at post history of all DT members, looking for things to attack some DT member will not do you any good, will just stress you. don't you agree with the system? so just stay away from this forum or just ignore anything that some DT member that you think is wrong to do. that's very simple

You will find that we were ATTACKED FIRST . This is undeniable.

I'm not sure highlighting observable instances of clear financial wrong doing of those in positions of trust should be called ATTACKING. I mean would you claim the police detective ATTACKED those criminals that were recorded on your CC TV by repeatedly presenting the evidence until they were prosecuted? I mean that seems a strange term to use really? You could rather say presenting observable instances of wrong doing to protect other members.

When people attack you or your property over and over, some will just accept and walk away, perhaps even move house. Others should try to make a stand so that those attacking know there will be a price to pay. Even better if you can bring about some changes that will prevent them and any others repeating such attacks.

If nobody makes a stand, things just tend to get worse.

Somethings have improved, others have sadly gone the other way. Still the board is excellent enough in other sections to still make it worth while fighting for improvements and preventing the destruction of free speech here.

[DireWolfM14]

When Nutidah farts, cryptohunter be like

[TECSHARE]

When Nutidah farts, cryptohunter be like

This is a perfect example of abandoning your principles to appease those in control. You are only willing to criticize approved popular targets and never those who are in "the club". If this was a post I had made trying to sell my account, you would be in your clown suit and enthusiastically preparing the bonfire for my reputation, every once and a while looking back to see if your masters are still pleased. I am especially disappointed in you because you know better and still choose to kneel.

[suchmoon]

This is a perfect example of abandoning your principles to appease those in control. You are only willing to criticize approved popular targets and never those who are in "the club". If this was a post I had made trying to sell my account, you would be in your clown suit and enthusiastically preparing the bonfire for my reputation, every once and a while looking back to see if your masters are still pleased. I am especially disappointed in you because you know better and still choose to kneel.

I think you might be better off selling your account.

[TECSHARE]

I think you might be better off selling your account.

I think you might be better of selling your ass.

[DireWolfM14]

This is a perfect example of abandoning your principles to appease those in control. You are only willing to criticize approved popular targets and never those who are in "the club". If this was a post I had made trying to sell my account, you would be in your clown suit and enthusiastically preparing the bonfire for my reputation, every once and a while looking back to see if your masters are still pleased. I am especially disappointed in you because you know better and still choose to kneel.

Is it just me that has abandoned his principals?  Or is just my principals that concern you so much?  Or is it that my principals are of such concern to you because mine was the deciding vote that cast you out of DT1 most recently?  What is it about me that is bothering you so much lately?  Really Tecshare, can't I make a lighthearted joke about about the way some one continues to beat a horse's fossil?

Would you prefer if I chastise Nutildah for trying to sell his account?  Again?  Okay; Hey Nutildah, you shouldn't have tried to sell your account.  Oh, what's that you say?  You learned that lesson nearly two years before I joined this forum?  Okay, then.  Carry on.

And you are wrong about my character yet again.  I'm a very forgiving person.  If you had made a similar mistake years ago, and quickly adjusted your position, not only would you have my forgiveness, you'd also have my support if others attacked you for it.  

However, considering the way you build your trust list you still wouldn't be included in mine.  There're connections, and also disconnections.

Anyway, we can take this discussion to another thread, or PM if you'd rather.  I feel like this is going off-topic.

[TECSHARE]

This is a perfect example of abandoning your principles to appease those in control. You are only willing to criticize approved popular targets and never those who are in "the club". If this was a post I had made trying to sell my account, you would be in your clown suit and enthusiastically preparing the bonfire for my reputation, every once and a while looking back to see if your masters are still pleased. I am especially disappointed in you because you know better and still choose to kneel.

Is it just me that has abandoned his principals?  Or is just my principals that concern you so much?  Or is it that my principals are of such concern to you because mine was the deciding vote that cast you out of DT1 most recently?  What is it about me that is bothering you so much lately?  Really Tecshare, can't I make a lighthearted joke about about the way some one continues to beat a horse's fossil?

Would you prefer if I chastise Nutildah for trying to sell his account?  Again?  Okay; Hey Nutildah, you shouldn't have tried to sell your account.  Oh, what's that you say?  You learned that lesson nearly two years before I joined this forum?  Okay, then.  Carry on.

And you are wrong about my character yet again.  I'm a very forgiving person.  If you had made a similar mistake years ago, and quickly adjusted your position, not only would you have my forgiveness, you'd also have my support if others attacked you for it.  

However, considering the way you build your trust list you still wouldn't be included in mine.  There're connections, and also disconnections.

Anyway, we can take this discussion to another thread, or PM if you'd rather.  I feel like this is going off-topic.

I don't think people should be punished for simply trading accounts, even Nutilduhh. You have to first have principles to abandon them, and a lot of the DT doesn't qualify. You can opine about what you would do in hypotheticals all day, in reality you reserve criticism of those who have the ability to inhibit your own status within this system in favor of low hanging fruit you know it is safe to pick because they approve it. The way I pick my trust list is no different than anyone else regardless of the targeted fabrications you fell for and participated in. Of course any scrutiny is reserved for people like myself who must explain every action on their trust list, while any time one of the chosen are questioned, it is just "their right" to choose who they want and that's the end of it.

[The-One-Above-All]

This is a perfect example of abandoning your principles to appease those in control. You are only willing to criticize approved popular targets and never those who are in "the club". If this was a post I had made trying to sell my account, you would be in your clown suit and enthusiastically preparing the bonfire for my reputation, every once and a while looking back to see if your masters are still pleased. I am especially disappointed in you because you know better and still choose to kneel.

Is it just me that has abandoned his principals?  Or is just my principals that concern you so much?  Or is it that my principals are of such concern to you because mine was the deciding vote that cast you out of DT1 most recently?  What is it about me that is bothering you so much lately?  Really Tecshare, can't I make a lighthearted joke about about the way some one continues to beat a horse's fossil?

Would you prefer if I chastise Nutildah for trying to sell his account?  Again?  Okay; Hey Nutildah, you shouldn't have tried to sell your account.  Oh, what's that you say?  You learned that lesson nearly two years before I joined this forum?  Okay, then.  Carry on.

And you are wrong about my character yet again.  I'm a very forgiving person.  If you had made a similar mistake years ago, and quickly adjusted your position, not only would you have my forgiveness, you'd also have my support if others attacked you for it.  

However, considering the way you build your trust list you still wouldn't be included in mine.  There're connections, and also disconnections.

Anyway, we can take this discussion to another thread, or PM if you'd rather.  I feel like this is going off-topic.

Look it is clearly apparent from your posts that you are pretty low functioning. However even some servile dreg of your level can NOT fail to understand this is NOT a simple case of account selling is it you moronic fuck.

Most people may view account selling as merely handing their account to someone that wants to be a hero or legend just for the prestige or whatever?

AS WE KEEP REPEATING'

Nutildah WAS CERTAIN that selling your account resulted in people getting scammed and that it was EVIL (HAVE ANOTHER FUCKING READ MORON)

If you are THEN willing to sell your account FULLY CERTAIN that you are facilitating scammers and are acting in an EVIL manner for such a small amount  THEN YOU ARE FINANCIALLY HIGH RISK.
How can it be otherwise??

SO STRONGLY did he feel about protecting the board from these scam facilitators and evil doers HE WAS GOING TO START HIS OWN THREAD HUNTING THEM DOWN SO THAT NOBODY WOULD DEAL WITH THEM AND MAKE THEM PARIAHS...

Got it you dire posting dreg. Your posts are generally net negative garbage. Stick to flipping your burgers.

Stick to posting silly little gifs and kissing ass for merits,since that is pretty much all you're capable of.

Nobody gives one fuck about your inclusions and exclusions - scammer supporters and low functioning shit posters opinions are as worthless as foxpoops (who is also a scammer supporter anyway). Notice how when challenged he admits his opinions of whom should be on DT are not even based on reasoning Hahahaha .. Oh yeah wasn't this about excluding the same member yes it was.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184281.msg52479030#msg52479030

He will pop up here any moment since he loves our posts

What sort of scamming wretches and their low functioning feltching dregs has theymos allowed this board be handed over to.

In light of this knowledge ANYONE including these types of people on DT should have red trust and be blacklisted from DT.

[mikeywith]

He tried to sell his account on a year when account selling wasn't even a thing

It is either your statement is wrong or LLec was able to see the future , I would pretty much like to believe the latter is wrong.


Now to me personally I would justify the actions of some users based on other facts, contribution to the forum is one thing I would take very seriously , not only regarding trust or flags, even when it comes to breaking the forum rules, if we take philipma1957 for an example, a great member who gave so much to the community and to bitcoin in general, say someone dug into his old posts and found a plagiarized post , or a post of him selling his account a few years back , would it be wise to treat him the same way a shit-poster newbie is to be treated? Sure not.

The same thing applies to everyone else, if the member in question did contribute to the forum before and after the "account sale" post , I can see how those DT members who actively tag account sellers would justify not tagging a certain user, but again this has to be widely applied in a fair manner and not selectively based on who we like and who we don't.

Unfortunately, the trust system is not being used by bots, so it makes sense that you should expect some wrong doings from some DT members, as long as it is kept at "minimal" and you don't see it happen every day, then nothing much to worry about IMO.

[The-One-Above-All]

He tried to sell his account on a year when account selling wasn't even a thing

It is either your statement is wrong or LLec was able to see the future , I would pretty much like to believe the latter is wrong.


Now to me personally I would justify the actions of some users based on other facts, contribution to the forum is one thing I would take very seriously , not only regarding trust or flags, even when it comes to breaking the forum rules, if we take philipma1957 for an example, a great member who gave so much to the community and to bitcoin in general, say someone dug into his old posts and found a plagiarized post , or a post of him selling his account a few years back , would it be wise to treat him the same way a shit-poster newbie is to be treated? Sure not.

The same thing applies to everyone else, if the member in question did contribute to the forum before and after the "account sale" post , I can see how those DT members who actively tag account sellers would justify not tagging a certain user, but again this has to be widely applied in a fair manner and not selectively based on who we like and who we don't.

Unfortunately, the trust system is not being used by bots, so it makes sense that you should expect some wrong doings from some DT members, as long as it is kept at "minimal" and you don't see it happen every day, then nothing much to worry about IMO.

Mikey that was a reasonable post but let me try and make it a bit easier to follow- this is not just about account selling is it?

Imagine someone who wants to facilitate scamming for a price and just keep that in mind.... I see the connection between the two instances  1/ certainty that selling and account will result in facilitate scamming and is evil)  2/ then selling the account is obviously the stumbling block.

CLEAR INTENTION TO FACILITATE SCAMMING FOR A PRICE KEEP THAT IN MIND.



Wrong doings by some DT members need to be kept in check by other DT members  THAT IS THE POINT. Not to collude together and say well we let it slide for them but not for others.

[DireWolfM14]

Wrong doings by some DT members need to be kept in check by other DT members  THAT IS THE POINT. Not to collude together and say well we let it slide for them but not for others.

It's really quite amazing how reasonable you can sound at times.  I wish you would make points this valid in every post you make, and not bury them in walls of rubbish and petty attacks.

I don't think anyone is claiming that Nutildah wasn't wrong when he attempted to sell his account.  But put it all into context.  Around 2016 was right around the time when the forum community started seeing account selling as a negative thing for the health of forum and the bitcoin community.  Nutildah said flat out in this original post that he had not been spending so much time on the forum, so it's reasonable to conclude that he may not have known about the change in attitude.  That naivete is mostly confirmed by the fact that he posted right from his account which he attempted to sell.  The first reply to his offer suggesting that he should have created a sock puppet didn't even occur to him, probably because he had no ill intent.  Once informed about his potential for getting the account tagged red, he was wise enough to put two and two together.

I'm speaking in generalities because I don't know exactly what went on in Nutildah's head, but I can put myself in his situation.  It's seems fairly clear to me that Nutildah isn't proud of having made that mistake, as naive as it may have been.  He's probably embarrassed about it.  In fact, the reason he edit the post in August is probably due to his embarrassment.  Again, generalities because I don't know for sure.  He hasn't commented so I can't be certain.

And like Mikey said, one needs to consider the behavior of the individual since the mistake was made.  Can you just try to see it from his perspective?  Can you bring yourself to forgive him?  If you can at least try maybe your forum life will be filled with less turmoil and drama going forward.

[mikeywith]

CLEAR INTENTION TO FACILITATE SCAMMING FOR A PRICE KEEP THAT IN MIND.

Not true, his intention was to make money, period

To "facilitate scamming" is a very possible outcome/consequence that may follow later on,  if he wanted to scam he would have used account to trade and probably get a bit more than his account would sell for.

Now, if he really did scam someone and went away with it, then you would make perfect sense on why isn't he tagged, now for the purpose of this debate, let's assume he really did sell his account and whoever uses the account now is not the same guy back in 2016, the questions to be asked are

1- Did the new guy scam anyone?
2- Did the account's posts turn into useless spam?

if not, then what difference does it really make if it's the guy who created the account or it's someone from the other side of the world? as far as "scam" is concerned, it does not really matter.

you see I can give you a million reasons of why his account shouldn't be tagged, while I can also give you the same amount of reasons on why must his account be tagged, but that wouldn't change a thing, DT members happened to agree on not to tag his account.

There is really no other way of looking at it, there is no super power he has which keeps protecting him, at the time there was no DT / Merit gang, nobody would have protected him, it just happened , stop trying to make up reasons for it.

Wrong doings by some DT members need to be kept in check by other DT members

True, but there is now more than what, 100 , 200 ? DT members, non of them thinks that account deserve a tag, I hope you don't think that all current DT members are afraid of him or some stupid shit like that.