Mentally sick scammer tagging DT members and opened wrong flag against me

[TalkStar]

Hello Everyone,

Let me introduce you guys with a mentally sick scammer named "Hatch Support" who is massively giving negative trust to multiple DT member and opened a wrong flag against me.

Here is the flag link that he opened against me; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2136362;page=iflags (Oppose here)

It is to notify that this scammer is massively giving negative trust to multiple DT members who merited the thread on scam accusation which was opened by Theb. I have also seen that this scammer have already opened multiple flag against Theb too.

Please take a look here;

Scammers profile Link: Hatch Support & Hatch Exchange
Scam Accusation Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190541.0
Active Flag https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=827

I hope our community users will stay away from this scammer and DT members will take appropriate action against him.

[nutildah]

He also opened these retaliatory flags:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=828
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=830

I opposed all 3.

[o_e_l_e_o]

There is nothing that can be done against users like this. Every DT member has a whole slew of fake retaliatory trust ratings against them, and now we are starting to accumulate fake flags as well; I have two completely nonsense flags against me. This is likely to only get worse with time, as more and more newbies/scammers/morons being to realize what trust flags are.

Short of moderating trust, which will never be done, I'm afraid all you can do is ignore these ratings, or if you really want to, request opposition for the flags they have opened. The chance of any one of them making it on to DT though (and therefore making their flag mean anything) is very slim, and if they did I'm sure they would be excluded pretty rapidly.

It must be said though, spamming frivolous negative ratings hardly makes your project look trustworthy. I will also oppose all his flags and support the one opened on him.

[TalkStar]

I have two completely nonsense flags against me. This is likely to only get worse with time, as more and more newbies/scammers/morons being to realize what trust flags are.

I have seen two inactive flags on your profile and both are useless. I can't believe how could someone open flag against a user just for not receiving merit from him. Obviously flag system is helping forum users to be well informed about scammers and anyone can submit their opinion. But some guys are just using it so easily against forum users without valid reason which is really unexpected.

     

[o_e_l_e_o]

But some guys are just using it so easily against forum users without valid reason which is really unexpected.

Given how much the trust system is abused by scammers to leave nonsense, frivolous, retaliatory, and otherwise useless ratings, I'm not sure we could really expect their behavior to be any different when it comes to trust flags. I think its simply that many of them don't know what trust flags are yet, because as we all know, they don't read the announcements or forum rules. Over time I'm sure that nonsense flags will become every bit as common as nonsense ratings.

Rest assured that the flag on your profile is meaningless, however. Even if no one was opposing it, it is only being supported by a user who is on nobody's trust list, and so won't show up to anyone. In addition, red flags need at a minimum of 3 more supporters than opposers, so even if he somehow ended up on DT AND wasn't excluded by DT1s AND no one was opposing it, it still wouldn't be active.

[The Cryptovator]

@OP it's not something new on this forum. You should turn your skin more thicker once you are going to expose scammers. Once upon a time I was worried about it too, but not now and no more. I don't care about untrusted feedback's or flags. To be honest they just increase their feedback's by that way. Never mind since you have open thread so he will get more tag and support or oppose the flag.

Tagged and support/opposed red flags.

[Theb]

I was away for a while in BCT and when I just opened the forum TalkStar's pm greeted me that I have a flag coming from the two accounts of Hatch Support (the other being Hatch Exchange) but after visiting my trust page that's when I realized I have nothing to worry about because I really got surprised that other members have opposed the two flags given to me even without me posting the links here. I just want to say thank you that you have agreed on my findings on the case that started this flag spree of Hatch Support and for having my back.

[xtraelv]

I was away for a while in BCT and when I just opened the forum TalkStar's pm greeted me that I have a flag coming from the two accounts of Hatch Support (the other being Hatch Exchange) but after visiting my trust page that's when I realized I have nothing to worry about because I really got surprised that other members have opposed the two flags given to me even without me posting the links here. I just want to say thank you that you have agreed on my findings on the case that started this flag spree of Hatch Support and for having my back.

Theymos made it quite clear that misuse of flags is serious abuse. I've tagged them accordingly.

Creating or supporting a scammer flag is actively affirming a set of pretty clear fact-statements. If someone knowingly supports a flag containing incorrect fact-statements, then that is crystal-clear abuse, and I will seek to have such people removed from DT ASAP. People who are habitually wrong, even not knowingly, should also be removed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2477143

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2689172

[The Cryptovator]

Seems fucking scammer open red flag against me ! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=845
But, but he opened wrong flag, I haven't any written contract with him Lol.

However, seems he have open red flags almost against all scam buster. Stupid scammer   just increasing his feedback's.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Seems fucking scammer open red flag against me ! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=845
But, but he opened wrong flag, I haven't any written contract with him Lol.

However, seems he have open red flags almost against all scam buster. Stupid scammer   just increasing his feedback's.

Yes, it looks like this topic is a red rag for a moron.
And anyone who does not support his delirium receives a red flag.
He devotes all his time to monitoring.
Well, sometimes morons have complications at this time of the year.
I, too, was not left without a flag that really amused me.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Given how much the trust system is abused by scammers to leave nonsense, frivolous, retaliatory, and otherwise useless ratings, I'm not sure we could really expect their behavior to be any different when it comes to trust flags.

Nope, although I think it takes more effort to start up a flag than it does to just spam some negative trust.  My guess is that we'll see far fewer retaliatory flags than negative feedback, and that's a good thing--plus if a flag is frivolous it can obviously be opposed.  It's still a shitty thing to have one on your trust page when you don't deserve it.

However, seems he have open red flags almost against all scam buster. Stupid scammer  just increasing his feedback's.

Being a moron and having too much time on your hands is a dangerous combination.  Hopefully this guy will just shrivel up and blow away eventually.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Being a moron and having too much time on your hands is a dangerous combination.

Looks like we have another moron/the same moron with a new account with too much time on his hands here: Alter7. Currently supporting every frivolous flag on pretty much every DT member whilst also opening a couple new ones, including one against theymos.

I wonder if these idiots realize that their support is completely meaningless to everyone except themselves. Such a huge waste of time to achieve literally nothing.

[wwzsocki]

Theymos made it quite clear that misuse of flags is serious abuse. I've tagged them accordingly.

Creating or supporting a scammer flag is actively affirming a set of pretty clear fact-statements. If someone knowingly supports a flag containing incorrect fact-statements, then that is crystal-clear abuse, and I will seek to have such people removed from DT ASAP. People who are habitually wrong, even not knowingly, should also be removed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2477143
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2689172

I think this is the only reasonable way to fight against these trust annotations and flag abusers. I will be happy if fake annotations would be enough to grant a flag too because this could stop them from doing this. If there will be a couple of flags granted because of fake accusations, then sooner or later they will stop because in the end, they only lose more and gain totally nothing. There is no other way to fight against it and every fake flag should be reported and a counter flag created immediately.

...I have two completely nonsense flags against me. This is likely to only get worse with time, as more and more newbies/scammers/morons being to realize what trust flags are...

Luckily these flags have no influence on your account and are even not visible to somebody who is looking at your trust summary. If you haven't mentioned these flags I wouldn't know about them.

I just checked your account and I see nothing more as untrusted feedback, which I usually never read or even if, then I don't trust these descriptions until they are not fully verified by me, which means reading linked threads and full check of both accounts to be able to make my own point of view.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Being a moron and having too much time on your hands is a dangerous combination.

Looks like we have another moron/the same moron with a new account with too much time on his hands here: Alter7. Currently supporting every frivolous flag on pretty much every DT member whilst also opening a couple new ones, including one against theymos.

I wonder if these idiots realize that their support is completely meaningless to everyone except themselves. Such a huge waste of time to achieve literally nothing.

This is a moron from the Russian locale. Its moderators regularly block. But he has a lot of free time, since he is constantly being reborn.
Today he created a flag for Theymos. It seems that such morons can only be ignored or banned by ip

[tvplus006]

I already have 2 flags from scammers: yellow and red) And although they are not active, everyone can view them. And given that not everyone is familiar with this system, I don’t know what others think of me when they see these flags.
Obviously, this system needs changes. I opposed 18 flags, including my own)

[o_e_l_e_o]

There is no other way to fight against it and every fake flag should be reported and a counter flag created immediately.

False flags are, as theymos says, crystal clear abuse, and I would support accounts which open mass fake flags being negatively tagged. I don't, however, think that opening mass fake flags is reason enough to open a retaliatory flag on another user. Certainly there is no contract or agreement which has been violated, and I don't think that creating fake flags automatically means you are at risk of losing money. The majority of users leaving mass fake flags are high risk for other reasons which may well lead to a flag, but I don't think a flag solely for inappropriate flag use is appropriate.

Luckily these flags have no influence on your account and are even not visible to somebody who is looking at your trust summary. If you haven't mentioned these flags I wouldn't know about them.

Oh, I'm not at all concerned about these flags. As with many other DT users, they are essentially hidden unless you really go looking for them, the users who opened and support them will never come close to DT, and anyone who spends 5 seconds opening the topics they link to will immediately see they are nonsense. I was simply pointing out that over time there will be more and more retaliation like this, until the majority of DT members have pages of false flags against them.

[wwzsocki]

...The majority of users leaving mass fake flags are high risk for other reasons which may well lead to a flag, but I don't think a flag solely for inappropriate flag use is appropriate...

Your way of thinking and explanations come to me and I understand why the flag is an inappropriate punishment, but in such a case how to defend against and discourage those who abuse them in such a high degree?

[o_e_l_e_o]

Your way of thinking and explanations come to me and I understand why the flag is an inappropriate punishment, but in such a case how to defend against and discourage those who abuse them in such a high degree?

Much like users who leave pages and pages of fake or retaliatory negative ratings, there is little that can be done as trust is not moderated. A negative rating for trust system abuse may be appropriate, and highlighting any false flags so they can be widely opposed and the people starting/supporting them can be excluded from trust lists. There are enough responsible DT1 members doing both of these things at the moment that any false flag will never leave the "inactive flag" section.

Anyone you wish to trade with who has even an ounce of sense will be able to see through the false flags just as easily as they can see through the fake red ratings.

[TalkStar]

I was simply pointing out that over time there will be more and more retaliation like this, until the majority of DT members have pages of false flags against them.

I have got the same thinking about these false flags but if a large number of user start to follow the same way then its a matter of thinking. Yeah i agree that false inactive flags are not going to decrease any forum users reputation but it will obviously increase DT members workload to give oppose on each flags.

As an example this user Hatch Support have already opened a lot of false flags against most of us and he used these flags as a weapon against Forum DT community so easily. If thousands of users intend to do something similar like this then it will possibly bring unexpected situation. 

[TheBeardedBaby]

I'm in the same situation, I tried to have a normal conversation with Hatch Support and ask if they can provide a normal explanation of the accusations against them but what I got was just extra negative false feedback.
I'm normally open to change negative feedback/flags to positive if the other side tries to provide proof or at least explanation. This case is just hopeless.