Bitmain Introduces the S17+ and T17+

[Philipma1957cellphone]

we are at 1.12 ph of.course we have. 50 th offline which is common for us to have 3-7% go offline. We have 300 th coming online from now to Jan 1. So 1.4ph by years end.  Of course we also have 11gh for l3+ which is about  .35 Ltc a day.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I have a real bone to pick with Bitmain - they are making me  "overpay" for my miner. Their "price" of BTC is considerably less than my "price"

It was supposed to be half up front and half by November 30th. I paid .07 initially to secure the order ( what was in my online wallet at the moment ) while waiting for the transfer from my hardware wallet.

A few days later when I was not busy I logged in to see that while my wallet says I sent .07 BTC valued at that time as 582.12 USD, that Bitmain said I gave them .07 BTC but valued it at 579.73 - apparently the btc value dropped from when I submitted to when they received. As it was only 3 dollars and change I decided to go ahead and just pay it, especially as BTC had risen to over 10k at that time - so I sent what they said I owed, 496.17. Little did I know they go by the value of BTC at the time of the order (which was 8281.86) - so they said I still owe 71.82 even though the BTC I sent on the second payment was when BTC was over 10k. So now, I will have to send another payment or basically they will cancel the order and will not issue a refund.

In total - based on BTC value at the time I made the payments, I will have paid 582.12 for first payment, 493.17 for second payment and 79.46 for the 3rd payment - totaling 1154.75 for an order that was 1075.29 - an over payment of 79.46

If they are going to offer segmented payments, they should allow for payments to be made at the BTC value AT the time of payment not what it was at another point in time.


I will never do another order with segmented payments. I am sure that if the initial payment was when BTC was 10k and BTC dropped down to 3k that they would not let me pay as if it was still at 10k....

anyways, lesson learned.

edit.... apparently BTC value must have dropped again. They are now stating I owe .00050113 more now....

[philipma1957]

Look pay them  0.0006 and from now on pay them with paypal like I do.

I will not buy from anyone except avalon without using paypal.

Yeah I am that disgusted with sellers. Other then avalon.

I did get my hoster in Clifton a good deal on the s17 pro 50

2 for 4300 paypal  six months to pay shipped from Malaysia
and
2 for his son same deal different account.

he got a better deal then I did.

4 for 8600  no trump tax  six months to pay.  200th at 43 a th

I paid for 103 + 106 + 104 =    313 th  all paypal six months 13500 or 43 a th  but I got  mixed gear

s17
s17 pro
t17
t17e
t17+     so while we paid  the same per th

his is more efficient and will arrive faster.   but all this gear  500th or so is on paypal six months to pay.

[MoparMiningLLC]

yea I saw the new PayPal option. That would require me to convert my btc to USD and wait for the bank to process a transfer to PayPal - a delay I wouldn't like to deal with. at least not right now. As I do not have PayPal Credit nor do I want to open another LOC under my company name at this time.

[Freemine-001010]

I have a lot on order...

where did you order the t17+ from ,

i have an partner who wants to buy 10 of them

[Jamesrunner]

You guys see the 25% tariff warnings? I've bought before but this is the first time I'm seeing them

[MoparMiningLLC]

You guys see the 25% tariff warnings? I've bought before but this is the first time I'm seeing them

yes, the miners need to be under 800 if I recall to miss the tariff - I thought it was 1000 but someone told me 800

[Freemine-001010]

so the quote i got from alibaba

Model: T17+ 64T
Quantity: 10 units
Delivery: end December
price: $1849/Unit
shipping cost to USA ：$710
total : $19200

i need to add 25%   or about 5,000???

if i buy from Sesterce Mining

do the tariffs apply as its in France ?

[NotFuzzyWarm]

@ freemine,
Please read the Deminimus thread here....
In short, regarding the Trump Tariff, what matters when importing gear into the USA is where equipment is built (made in China) - not where it is sold or shipped from.

[philipma1957]

where did you order the t17+ from ,

i have an partner who wants to buy 10 of them

I ordered direct from bitmain.

As for trump tax I am USA based I paid 27.6% on my last 2 orders

1 s17      53t
1 s17pro 50t



If you are shipping into the USA expect to pay 20 to 28% tax  depending on how it is valued.

I should pay an additional 1500 to 1600 trump tax on the

2x T17e   list was 1665  3330 for two so    that is        between   750 to 850 trump tax
1x T17+  list was  1628  I had a 375 coupon  so 1250      about  315 to 410 trump tax
1x t17     list was    975  It made a coupon but should be  about 240 to 260

I am looking at 1305 to 1520

I just paid 1250

I have paid more then  4000 trump tax this year add the 1300 more I will have paid over 5300 trump tax by years end.
1x T17

[Freemine-001010]

what do you think about ordering from alibaba ? never ordered there before

Phill , Thanks for all the info, that trump tax is a killer,  wish i could order each hash board for the t17+  separately to keep it under 800 ,
just have 50+ orders lol

[philipma1957]

they have protection also some sellers will take paypal.

back when gpu mining was hot i ordered from two sellers they were okay.

if you can find a good alibaba seller it is possible it may be better then direct from bitmain.

[Freemine-001010]

yea the limit 2 per order is not great,

[Huxley23]

You all complaining about the trump tax, while us, still paying 20% on almost all equipment that is shipped to the EU.

[philipma1957]

you guys get free medical correct?  we get nothing

[Huxley23]

Free medical isnt technically free since we still end up paying for it from our taxes.

[MoparMiningLLC]

only those that work pay for it. We have a huge population that live off of welfare here that do not work even though nothing is wrong with them. Many prefer not to work at all. They can make a living off welfare - better than if they worked for some of them.

[philipma1957]

Well it is all off topic.  But I pay and pay and pay and pay and pay for medical.

If I said I spent 20,000 out of pocket not counting my insurance policy fees I would be too low.

If I add in the insurance policy fees for my wife and I.

I am  well over 85,000

If I add in my wife's bills I am over 110,000.

This would be from 1985 to 2019

If I add in what the policy's paid out I am well over 210,000.

Not counting  anything but medical.

As for taxes  my wife and I must have paid 1,000,000 in tax on about 2,500,000 in income same time period.

So yeah  the extra  4-5k for the trump tax does not sit well with me.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I hear ya - my insurance costs me just shy of 5k per year (if i dont use it) then I have a 10k deductible - so I have to spend 15k each year before my insurance even pays a penny.

[falconlogs]

Hello Guys,

Are there distinctive specs or features that would differentiate Antminer's S series ( S9j, S11, S17... ) vs the T Series ( T17, .. )?

• Are there a distinctive difference in design?
• Are there a distinctive difference in perhaps "ASIC" models?
• Are there a distinctive difference in firmware / controller boards?

Ultimately which is better the T series? or the S Series?
And why?