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November 08, 2019, 06:35:27 AM
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so about to buy 5 s17+ 74th model asic miner from bitmain,

first time purchase is there anything you guys reccomend , cupons.

how have you paid for the gear,

Thanks in advance

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Definitely use coupons, many are selling them cheaper than mine which can  be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193536.msg52974848#msg52974848

The very first gear I bought with BTC (converted from cash, Coinbase was easier for me at the time and pretty straight forward) and ever since only bought gear with mined BTC. It appeared to me as reinvesting and increasing revenue generation (although with the difficulty increase, at times, I was just staying within the same generation bracket).

The passport/ID thing was standardised 1 year ago by Bitmain, part of the lovely control/knowing policy in China, I believe.

Be prepared for import taxes  Grin

Also, glad to see another fellow miner joining the ranks.

Any questions, always feel free to ask, people here are very helpful.

Good luck on your new adventure
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November 08, 2019, 06:46:55 AM
Last edit: November 09, 2019, 09:44:37 AM by frodocooper
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Thank you VERY MUCH !!!!  that gives me some much needed reassurance.

i saw the 25% pop up for taxes, ill try to do a review with stats and picts.



so coinbase puts a limit on how much btc you can buy ... so since its at 8800 ish i got 1k worth

hope  bitmain and coinbase approve my knc stuff so i  can cash in the other 12k
cant wait for these as ive been buying cheep s9s
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November 10, 2019, 12:15:55 AM
Last edit: November 12, 2019, 01:25:35 AM by frodocooper
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Hey, what is this IMPORTER number that bitmain asks if you choose FEDEX.
If it is Social security number, then no way I would provide that to a foreign site (that lost credentials before due to the hack).
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November 10, 2019, 12:59:45 AM
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not sure - I have never used fedex - I typically use UPS as it is cheaper but sometimes DHL shows as cheaper.

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November 10, 2019, 01:24:32 AM
Last edit: November 12, 2019, 01:26:04 AM by frodocooper
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that is your ssn unless you are a business with a business number.  Hint if your ssn is 106-12-3456. And you put 106-21-3457 it could cause an issue on a large order.
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November 10, 2019, 01:47:18 AM
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I am a business and have the EIN - essentially a TID or TIN which is a SSN for a company and I wouldnt put it either lol thats why I never use fedex.

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November 10, 2019, 03:17:15 AM
Last edit: November 12, 2019, 01:26:40 AM by frodocooper
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it's a typical bureaucratic crawl.
FEDEX only needs it for more than $2500 items, hence the actual form does not have an asterisk there, but Bitmain forces the issue for cheaper items.

BTW, is $800 de minimis counted for the whole order, including shipping or only for the actual miner?
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November 10, 2019, 04:17:41 AM
Last edit: November 12, 2019, 01:27:06 AM by frodocooper
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With DHL  it has been on the item price.

So 799 or less you are good.

Coupons don't help you out.

ie a t17 at 1082 using a 300 dollar coupon drops to 782  plus shipping.

but usa / dhl  will tend to charge  27.6% on 1082 = 298 and say 22 for processing or 320 on that unit even if one.

Some say  you can fight that I have yet to do that.

My next shipment is   2 x 1665= 3330  which bitmain now says is only worth   2530

I wonder how much I pay on this one.

I see BTC as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions.
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November 10, 2019, 05:22:14 AM
Last edit: November 12, 2019, 01:27:38 AM by frodocooper
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yea how does that work when you pay for an order and then the price drops .

do you just pay for the order and then pay for the shipping/tax  ?

just waiting for my KYC account verification to finish, but i almost bought the s17+ from alibaba @2900, and now they are 2111.
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November 12, 2019, 04:05:29 PM
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yea how does that work when you pay for an order and then the price drops .

do you just pay for the order and then pay for the shipping/tax  ?

just waiting for my KYC account verification to finish, but i almost bought the s17+ from alibaba @2900, and now they are 2111.

You pay tax on whatever the invoice says. The shipper includes an invoice which is used to determine the value of the goods. For the pre-order batches, it seems that Bitmain is updating the invoices with the lower price so you would only pay the tariff on the lower price. If you do a "spot order" or "future order", the invoice will show the original amount you paid, and that will be used to determine what tariff amount you owe. It does not matter if units are selling for much less than you paid by the time it gets to customs clearance, it only matters what is on the invoice.
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January 22, 2020, 11:30:25 PM
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Has anyone with S17+ had problems with fans not ramping up? Mine are staying at 3k RMP range even when some chips hit 80c. While S17e is ramping up to 6k RMP even at 50c.
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January 23, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
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Has anyone with S17+ had problems with fans not ramping up? Mine are staying at 3k RMP range even when some chips hit 80c. While S17e is ramping up to 6k RMP even at 50c.
Yes, same here..My S17+ around 3.8k - 4K maybe due to the hotter weather here and the T17e always at 5880 - 6000rpm
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January 23, 2020, 02:48:01 PM
Last edit: January 24, 2020, 12:47:43 AM by frodocooper
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Yeah but my 2x 17e are crazy on power draw over 3300 watts.
In terms of meeting power specs  they are the worst units I purchased in all of 2019.

So to me the idea that the fans run high is not surprising.
To be fair I don't have any s17+ units to compare to.

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January 23, 2020, 04:10:27 PM
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Yes, same here..My S17+ around 3.8k - 4K maybe due to the hotter weather here and the T17e always at 5880 - 6000rpm
Idk how you even got that high, mine are sitting at 2.8k RMP even after 2 days of work after reboot. While S17e ramps up in first 5 minutes.
I understand that sometimes quiet is important but still... 2.8k RMP instead of 6k RMP at best product available, that seems odd to me. I'll contact Bitmain to check what is going on.

Tho, I had mine with December's firmware and I saw that they had this in their logs:
"1. Optimize and tune PID control fan strategy." so I thought I'd update firmware since it was released at 2020-01-07, however, it is the same firmware as original on my unit, so that did not help...

Yeah but my 2x 17e are crazy on power draw over 3300 watts.
In terms of meeting power specs  they are the worst units I purchased in all of 2019.

So to me the idea that the fans run high is not surprising.
To be fair I don't have any s17+ units to compare to.

Yeah, but 100% fan speed on 50c on S17e (and I had one T17e which was very similar, as far as I remember, it ran at 100% but it hit 70c really fast anyway) while S17+ is doing 45% fan speed on 80c, that is not right...
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January 23, 2020, 09:37:54 PM
Last edit: January 24, 2020, 12:49:03 AM by frodocooper
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Bitmain only has 2 models for sale out supposedly the first of march 2020. Either they have slowed down due to chinese new year or they are already in the works to their data halls on the 5nm stuff. Just saying.

here is the link...kinda sparse: https://shop.bitmain.com/

armchair quarterbacking here...I have no plans to get an ASIC miner of any flavor as long as USA 25% tariff is on, more to it than that, but that seems to be plenty to dissuade me.

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January 23, 2020, 09:53:05 PM
Last edit: January 24, 2020, 12:49:26 AM by frodocooper
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I noticed the same thing over the last several days.  Available units were drying up, and the S17+ started at 73TH , then they had one at 70th, and finally at 67th.   Thats the only thing available now.

My assumption is inventory reduction of the 7nm chips. Using slightly sub-par chips, that may have been set aside previously, to get them out of inventory before switching out to a 5nm product.

I still have a fair amount of credit holding at Bitmain, and another .1 btc set aside ready to spend for another miner, but seeing the available product diminish in quantity and quality, I suspect that there's something new on the horizon.

Home garage miner: (1) S17e, (1) s17 pro 50, (2) S17+
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January 24, 2020, 12:47:29 AM
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maybe I am hoping to grab one more unit.
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January 24, 2020, 05:01:07 PM
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Has anyone with S17+ had problems with fans not ramping up? Mine are staying at 3k RMP range even when some chips hit 80c. While S17e is ramping up to 6k RMP even at 50c.

UPDATE:
Bitmain said that that is normal behavior. They, however, haven't commented on the reason behind it nor have they given me the temperature when should fans ramp up or if they even go above 3k RMP.

Quote from: Jessica L. (Bitmain)
Thanks for your consultation!

the fan speed is normal above 500 we have doube checked with our technical department
Your fan speed is normal
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February 01, 2020, 12:21:10 AM
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Bitmain sent email, saying that they are closed until Feb 10 (for now, I assume) and that shipments would be delayed.
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February 01, 2020, 02:00:53 AM
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Bitmain sent email, saying that they are closed until Feb 10 (for now, I assume) and that shipments would be delayed.

Additionally, they are sold out of S17+, T17+ and APW7's. Only thing still able to be ordered is S9k, S9SE and ANTBOX.

This might be coincidence but they sold out exactly at 00:00 GMT February 1st. New gear preorder incoming?  Wink Grin
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