Bitmain Introduces the S17+ and T17+

[AlecMe]

I believe at the moment the delays are just COVID related as Bitmain have sent the parcel out of their warehouse, as per the below:
Due consider my order was placed on the 21st and on the 22nd they had it labelled and ready to go out.

Now UPS has announced there are no guarantees on delivery dates quoting pandemic and have changed my delivery date once to 'No information available' and stayed like that for 5 days.

Today they have updated it as this Wednesday. Fingers crossed now.


Label Created   04/22/2020 1:37 P.M.    China   
Order Processed: Ready for UPS

Shipped   04/22/2020 4:08 P.M.    Shenzhen, China   
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In Transit   04/26/2020 5:02 A.M.    Shenzhen, China   
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Which courier was, in your experience, better with you in this pandemic?

Edit1:

I no longer have a delivery date on UPS, only:

In Transit   04/28/2020 7:27 A.M.    Shenzhen, China   
Your package has been delayed due to events beyond our control. We're adjusting delivery plans as quickly as possible. / Delivery will be rescheduled.
Scheduled Delivery

Please check back later for scheduled delivery.

Edit 2:

It appears my parcel has left China exactly after 7 days of being held there.

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[MoparMiningLLC]

this is my first order since this whole covid thing started - I ordered on the 17th, it was packaged and sent out on the 24th -so today is 10 days since I ordered, with 4 of those 10 being the weekends I dont find that it has taken all that long. but let's see how much longer it takes - they shipped it out on friday and it left china today. the longest time was the that i ordered on the 17th and it didnt ship for 7 days though they were not slated to ship until the 21st so the 21st to the 24th is only 3 days for them to prepare and ship it.

[PopoJeff]

I completed my order for an S17+ on Friday (4/24).

( Took some back n forth with Carol to get my account credit applied. Had enough credit that the miner was free, and I'm only paying $131 + tariff for this miner. )

But as of Fri 4/24, the order was marked as PAID. Today, Monday 4/27, I received notification that the order was shipped.

DHL tracking has an ETA of Monday 5/4.
 
I chose DHL shipping this time as it was about $80 cheaper than UPS, which I used for 4 previous orders.

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Departed Facility in SHENZHEN - CHINA MAINLAND
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Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 02:17
Origin Service Area:
SHENZHEN - SHENZHEN - CHINA MAINLAND
Destination Service Area:
HARRISBURG, PA - READING - USA   
Estimated Delivery:
Monday, May 04, 2020
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Tuesday, April 28, 2020   Location   Time   Piece
3   Departed Facility in SHENZHEN - CHINA MAINLAND   SHENZHEN - CHINA MAINLAND   02:17   
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2   Processed at SHENZHEN - CHINA MAINLAND   SHENZHEN - CHINA MAINLAND   00:41   
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Monday, April 27, 2020   Location   Time   Piece
1   Shipment scheduled to be picked up   SHENZHEN - CHINA MAINLAND   16:13   
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[MoparMiningLLC]

My order just flipped from showing the 27th for delivery to showing "pending" with no further info. My guess is next Monday.

[philipma1957]

My order just flipped from showing the 27th for delivery to showing "pending" with no further info. My guess is next Monday.

Yeah I had a apr 27 date it has since shifted to may 1

it is in USA it left Cincinnati and should arrive in Newark later today. In the pre cover-19 days. I would expect it on weds the 29th.  They still list it for May 1 I will take that date.

[minefarmbuy]

Looks like more inventory on the s19 models as well. Batch time changes on everthing.

[favebook]

Everything seems to be moved to June except T17+ and spot orders.

Also, S17+ has been lowered from $1320 to $1232. While T17+ still has it's raised price of $860.

As noted by minefarmbuy, S19 has been restocked.

However, even though Serbia is slowly being opened and lowering quarantine limits, Bitmain still does not allow orders for me.

[philipma1957]

My T17+ just arrived it is running okay.

[MoparMiningLLC]

My T17+ just arrived it is running okay.

ahh well maybe mine will be here soon. we both had the 27th originally for a date.

[mikeywith]

I found a very interesting read > https://news.8btc.com/bitmains-antminer-17-models-drawing-criticism-from-miners-for-high-failure-rate

Basically Chinese miners are reporting up to 30% failure rate on these 17 series, and Jihan Wu

then begged users to give Bitmain another chance and pointed out that the performance of the S19 series would be industry-leading with stability and adaptability to harsh environment

This may explain how the S19 isn't selling fast and almost always in stock, who would risk nearly $3000 for a gear that may potentially fail at a rate of 30%?


My personal experience so far.  2*S17+ > PSU/Hashboard , T17 > Temp sensor problem and S17 pro > So far okay.

So for anyone who is still buying these gears, be prepared for a 30% RMA rate or higher.

[PopoJeff]

My personal experience:  zero failure rate.   So, I'll stick with what works for me. But thanks for your input.

[philipma1957]

15 s17 pro all good

  1 s17.           good

  2 t17            good

 2 t17e           good

  2 t17+.       5 of 6 boards good.

  1 t15            good

  1 s15             good

 4 s9k             good

purchased all of the above new from Bitmain feb 2019 to April 2020 one exception the  [s15 was used]

that is a loss of a 20th board on the t17+ which kind of wants to work

all are spec the then 2x t17e which are power hungry.

I would consider that to be really good.

about 1255 out of 1275 hash works. and very close to power specs.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I have had 4 T17's, 20 S9's (4 vanilla 8 i's and 8 j's), 2 S15's, 1 L3, 3L3+'s, 4 L3++'s, 1 D3 and even though that is not a lot of miners (35) I have only ever sent one back and it was a vanilla S9.

edit: I forgot to add one more S9 that I picked up from a garage sale for $20 - it had burnt connectors on the hashboard (the little plastic part has those dividers in between the pins - those were melted) and a bad psu (the wires had somehow melted and shorted out, I believe that is what lead to the burnt/melted connectors on the hash boards) but the miner and psu still worked once I swapped the psu wires and the burnt connectors.

[philipma1957]

I have had 4 T17's, 20 S9's (4 vanilla 8 i's and 8 j's), 2 S15's, 1 L3, 3L3+'s, 4 L3++'s, 1 D3 and even though that is not a lot of miners (35) I have only ever sent one back and it was a vanilla S9.

edit: I forgot to add one more S9 that I picked up from a garage sale for $20 - it had burnt connectors on the hashboard (the little plastic part has those dividers in between the pins - those were melted) and a bad psu (the wires had somehow melted and shorted out, I believe that is what lead to the burnt/melted connectors on the hash boards) but the miner and psu still worked once I swapped the psu wires and the burnt connectors.

I have had a lot of bad:

s9's
s7's
s1  first miner I ever purchased from them came with a loose cap and would not boot.

[PopoJeff]

Oh, I forgot to add two problems Ive had.

I overheated an s17e with bad air flow. It dropped a board and wouldnt detect one board until i did about 10 restarts. Then its been fine.

I also had an S9i last summer that did something (forget exactly what).  But I disconnected the PSU, blew into the connectors like and old Atari cartridge, plugged it back in, and it was fine.

So theres that

[mikeywith]

My personal experience:  zero failure rate.   So, I'll stick with what works for me. But thanks for your input.

Luck and quantity matters, you may buy 2 gears and you get lucky with them, that's why only studies with a large number of samples can be taken seriously. also, the time factor is very important, these failures don't really show up in the first month or two, it takes time, the reason why I tend to trust the inputs coming from Chinese farms more than your words or even actually more than my experience is the fact that they have a lot more miners and have run them a lot longer.

Since I don't manufacture mining gears and I don't get paid to shill other mining equipment, my view is 100% unbiased, but by all means, go ahead buy whatever gears you want.

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The article explicitly talks about the 17 series, I have vouched for the robustness of S9, S9i, S9j (not the s9K) a few times, I am not sure about the 17 series, I have neither bought enough of them nor have I run them long enough to judge with accuracy.

[PopoJeff]

... I am not sure about the 17 series, I have neither bought enough of them nor have I run them long enough to judge with accuracy.

Then why do you keep pushing your opinion, if you're going to add a little disclaimer that you dont have enough data to form an opinion?

We got it, you read an article where Chinese miners report 30% failure rate.

Got it. Thanks.

I read articles reporting btc will go to 100k.
I read articles reporting btc will drop to 2k.

As with any piece of information on the internet, I trust it as much as I trust my government.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Since I don't manufacture mining gears and I don't get paid to shill other mining equipment, my view is 100% unbiased, but by all means, go ahead buy whatever gears you want.

I don't manufacture or get paid to shill other so my opinion is also 100% unbiased. I simply put my experience down. I am sure a large farm would yield different results as they have more machines and thus more chances of failure.

but is there an issue with people sharing their experience?

[mikeywith]

Ok, let me break it down for you since you either have a comprehension issue or you are too lazy and have not read the article, and for the sake of simplicity, I like to believe the latter is the case.

The article contains words from Jihan Wu himself saying

“Bitmain is not always taking the lead in technology, especially after the success of S9 when Micree Zhan and his personal assistant were in charge of research and development. Being self-centered, he set the wrong direction in research and development, which resulted in the market’s complaints about Bitmain, such as high damage rate and poor stability, especially of the T series.”

Long story short, Bitmain "admits" these gears have issues and high rates of failure and yet a random person on the internet like yourself wants to prove the opposite.

In plain English, none of the above is my "opinion" it's your words against both Bitmain's and Chinese miners words, if you have a problem with that go complain to Jihan Wu.

Stryfe, sorry my previous reply was not for you, it was for PopoJeff, by all means, it's a pleasure to read your experience.

[PopoJeff]

Apologies Mike.... I had to look back a few pages. I got you confused with that other guy that was posting all his negative opinions.

(OPP - Old People Problems
Check forum once every few days, see that same guy bashing.
See another negative post, dont look at user name before getting snippy)