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October 09, 2019, 09:54:04 PM Last edit: October 10, 2019, 08:34:12 PM by absolutely-positioned |
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I'm creating a crypto gambling site, about a week ago I posted a thread that reached out to everyone asking what they think the most important principles are in such a site and I began to work off that. I'd like to create a thread (this one) to mark progress as I finish things and show bits and pieces to get feedback on it when needed. Also, I'm actively looking for: - Advisors - People who have been around for a while in the scene and want to help shape the product
- Investors - People who are interested in the first round of investments
If you use Skype, I'd love for you to add me! Mine is live:.cid.66b94957843d7ed3 A bit about the site:- Will be a crash-only site to start - will not be just another bustabit clone
- BTC + ETH to begin with
- Stats first - will have a lot of graphs and data for you to analyze
- Fast - UI and Latency wise
- Provably Fair
- Mobile ready
- Investments - Will be able to invest in the bankroll
*Decided on Oct 9, to no longer do ETH-only first but instead include BTC on the initial release. [/list]
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October 09, 2019, 10:47:04 PM |
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Out of these bustabit clones in the market I don't know if you do able to make something unique. * 1bitprofit.com * 7mbtc.com (credible scam accusation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg21840393#msg21840393 ) * bitcoinhero.com * bitcrasha.com * bitsquare.bet * CAB (Asia) * crashbch.com, crashdoge.com, crasheth.com, crashingbitcoin.com, crashingcrypto.com, crashltc.com, crashnano.com (credible scam accusation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139985) * crashdice.com * cryptobust.io * csgocrash.com * elitecrash.io * erena.io * ethchase.io * ethcrash.io * ethercrash.io * gamdom.com * hash.game * nanogames.io, raigames.io * paizacasino.com * phun.io * zcrash.io * bitbuster.io * bustabit-kr.com * bustabit.club * bustabit.co.kr * bustabit.kr * bustabit.org * cryptobust.in (credible scam accusation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2806856.msg28710687) * k-bustabit.com * koreabusta.com * okbust.com * skybust.com * as777as.com * bchbust.com * bitcrash.us * btc-run.com * catchabtc.com * chancrash.com * crashbtc.com * crashmoney.io * dashmoon.io * etherwinners.io * etherwinners.io * ethgambel.info * game-graph.com * graphgame.net * grp-k.com * kg348.com * moon3d.io * mx743.com * nonayo.com * nt135.com * onon365.com * qbits.xyz * royal33.com * royal37.com * s-graph.net * satoshibust.com * t-333.com * up3456.com * xcryptocrash.com * zero-graph.com
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October 09, 2019, 10:49:10 PM |
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ETH only to begin with - just a much better experience than BTC in general for gambling sites (low fee, fast conf)
Do you mean here, users need to deposit in their account on your gambling site? Like every user in your gambling site has unique ethereum receiving address? If YES then it's good. Additional, I think it is much better if you can add BITCOIN as soon as possible or even start with Bitcoin now since for me, there's a lot of people using Bitcoin now (marketcap/daily transactions) Most of the gambling site I used, Bitcoin is their first cryptocurrency to accept or BITCOIN is the major one.
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October 09, 2019, 10:51:15 PM |
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Sounds like a decent platform on paper, though I'm probably going to wait to test your site out 'till you add Bitcoin deposits in. Additionally, I assume by your advertising not being a 'Bustabit clone', you aren't going to use the main parts of the bustabit source code to make your crash game? There's really not much that could make you stand out from the rest of the hundreds of crash sites currently out there accepting crypto tbh, though your basic description of the site makes it seem somewhat attractive. Are there any unique aspects of your game that aren't already implemented in other crash games?
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October 09, 2019, 11:12:10 PM |
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Sounds like a decent platform on paper, though I'm probably going to wait to test your site out 'till you add Bitcoin deposits in. Additionally, I assume by your advertising not being a 'Bustabit clone', you aren't going to use the main parts of the bustabit source code to make your crash game? There's really not much that could make you stand out from the rest of the hundreds of crash sites currently out there accepting crypto tbh, though your basic description of the site makes it seem somewhat attractive. Are there any unique aspects of your game that aren't already implemented in other crash games?
Yes there is one main thing that sets this aside from others but I can't share that yet.
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October 09, 2019, 11:48:35 PM |
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I like the idea of being a mobile ready platform and the ethereum based currency at first due to the fee when depositing and withdrawing funds. I hope there would be an update about this and I would be willing to test the platform once it is ready for test and/or operating. Good luck on the platform.
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October 09, 2019, 11:54:32 PM |
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Sounds different to start a gambling site with ETH only,anyway if this site only has ETH then it should be moved into altcoin discussion.
Also mention your site or some link for the people to know which site you are talking about.
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October 10, 2019, 02:48:13 AM |
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Sounds different to start a gambling site with ETH only,anyway if this site only has ETH then it should be moved into altcoin discussion.
indeed . this is new to my eyes but maybe thats thier strategy to try to be unique because most gambling sites that we see were only started on bitcoin . other started with alts like eth but have also a pair with bitcoin . gambling boards are also the right board to promote a gambling site and not on altcoin discussion , because those are being posted there are only discussions related to altcoin anyways . Also mention your site or some link for the people to know which site you are talking about.
he said the site is under development or in progres , sharing its link wont not make sense since you cant still access or play it .
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October 10, 2019, 09:26:52 AM |
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I am intrigued to find if you are the only one developing this platform or you have a team of developers? Also, since you've already mentioned some preliminary features of it, I would hope it will be user friendly and entertaining as possible!
Additionally, I have to point out the importance of having a robust security mechanism on your platform to so that your platform will be adequately protected along with your future customers funds. Imho.
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October 10, 2019, 10:28:29 AM |
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~snip~
That is quite a long list you have there. Quite a lot for the OP to avoid becoming into. Well, he made it clear that it will not be just like one of them. We will see. Why not BTC to begin with? I am a fan of ETH even in gambling but I suppose the community of BTC gamblers is much larger than ETH gamblers. They could help you a lot in terms of getting constructive feedback and feel with your new site. Well, I hope other coins will follow. The more the merrier.
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October 10, 2019, 10:53:24 AM |
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How if you finish creating the site, and after you think the site can run properly, you can give the name of the site so we can test the site and give another suggestion. I think that will help you to improve the site or you can add more features or another thing to make the site will look better. I still curious how your site will looks because I only get a clue about "Will be a crash-only site to start - will not be just another bustabit clone".
That will be okay if you want to use ETH to bets as the beginning but in the future, I hope you can add bitcoin or other coins too because I think we want to see another coin as the option to bet.
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October 10, 2019, 11:06:50 AM |
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I'm creating a crypto gambling site, about a week ago I posted a thread that reached out to everyone asking what they think the most important principles are in such a site and I began to work off that. I'd like to create a thread (this one) to mark progress as I finish things and show bits and pieces to get feedback on it when needed. Also, I'm actively looking for: - Advisors - People who have been around for a while in the scene and want to help shape the product
- Investors - People who are interested in the first round of investments
If you use Skype, I'd love for you to add me! Mine is live:.cid.66b94957843d7ed3 A bit about the site:- Will be a crash-only site to start - will not be just another bustabit clone
- ETH only to begin with - just a much better experience than BTC in general for gambling sites (low fee, fast conf)
- Stats first - will have a lot of graphs and data for you to analyze
- Fast - UI and Latency wise
- Provably Fair
- Mobile ready
- Investments - Will be able to invest in the bankroll
I cannot be an advisor because there are a lot of people who are more capable of giving advice, maybe investor, but on the second or third round after early investors test the site, but it's better to install a faucet so new investors can test the speed and some of the games that you are going to install, update us as you move along, it will be better if you an launch a bounty campaign.
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October 10, 2019, 11:08:12 AM |
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Good luck on your plan, and I suggest to study the competition well as there's a lot of gambling sites in the market already but only few are popular. I am not posting to discourage you but I am telling the reality so you could adjust and stay realistic with your plans to launch a new site. If this is your ANN, it should be transferred or move to gambling. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=56.0)
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October 10, 2019, 01:12:29 PM |
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Sounds different to start a gambling site with ETH only,anyway if this site only has ETH then it should be moved into altcoin discussion.
indeed . this is new to my eyes but maybe thats thier strategy to try to be unique because most gambling sites that we see were only started on bitcoin . other started with alts like eth but have also a pair with bitcoin . gambling boards are also the right board to promote a gambling site and not on altcoin discussion , because those are being posted there are only discussions related to altcoin anyways . Also mention your site or some link for the people to know which site you are talking about.
he said the site is under development or in progres , sharing its link wont not make sense since you cant still access or play it . This section only for the bitcoin related gambling sites,if it doesn't contain bitcoin deposit then it will be moved to altcoin discussion,observed this from my past experiences. OP also need to improve his english grammar a bit or me,I read a weak ago so I though he created the site before a week.
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October 10, 2019, 01:55:30 PM |
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Sounds like a decent platform on paper, though I'm probably going to wait to test your site out 'till you add Bitcoin deposits in. Additionally, I assume by your advertising not being a 'Bustabit clone', you aren't going to use the main parts of the bustabit source code to make your crash game? There's really not much that could make you stand out from the rest of the hundreds of crash sites currently out there accepting crypto tbh, though your basic description of the site makes it seem somewhat attractive. Are there any unique aspects of your game that aren't already implemented in other crash games?
Yes there is one main thing that sets this aside from others but I can't share that yet. Well, I know you are just starting your own gambling site here and needing Advisor and investors for your site to finish but I guess most people here need assurance and proof that you really are working on this project of yours, Well there are many gambling sites out there that pretty much obtain many positive views and have their own unique things in their sites, but I guess many here need proof and share your idea here, And I think that is why you are here because you surely need help and I think most people here pretty much want to help but most are cautious in putting their efforts and money if the site is just in a process of progress.
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October 10, 2019, 02:27:56 PM |
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I don't see how ethereum only can be a much better experience than the use of bitcoin for gambling, I have always been playing with bitcoin and on few occasions have played with ethereum or altcoin. In creating your gambling platform as a starter try to give more bonus on bets and make your platform user friendly
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October 10, 2019, 03:37:42 PM |
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After lots of mentions of how I should include BTC in the release, I will be doing so! I had no idea how much people prefer BTC over ETH to gamble with. Perhaps you just have more of in stock?
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October 10, 2019, 03:43:12 PM |
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Good luck on your plan, and I suggest to study the competition well as there's a lot of gambling sites in the market already but only few are popular. I am not posting to discourage you but I am telling the reality so you could adjust and stay realistic with your plans to launch a new site. If this is your ANN, it should be transferred or move to gambling. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=56.0) Well I'm not trying to market this or anything.. Nor do I even have a site yet. So this is more of a discussion no?
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October 10, 2019, 03:46:12 PM |
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After lots of mentions of how I should include BTC in the release, I will be doing so! I had no idea how much people prefer BTC over ETH to gamble with. Perhaps you just have more of in stock?
And also doge. I believe many people will like to have doge on your platform. The tx fee in doge is minimal as compared to btc or eth. But can wait since you are only in the planning stage for now. But might want to consider doge or lightning network.
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October 10, 2019, 06:13:48 PM |
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Sounds like a decent platform on paper, though I'm probably going to wait to test your site out 'till you add Bitcoin deposits in. Additionally, I assume by your advertising not being a 'Bustabit clone', you aren't going to use the main parts of the bustabit source code to make your crash game? There's really not much that could make you stand out from the rest of the hundreds of crash sites currently out there accepting crypto tbh, though your basic description of the site makes it seem somewhat attractive. Are there any unique aspects of your game that aren't already implemented in other crash games?
Yes there is one main thing that sets this aside from others but I can't share that yet. This is also something I wanted to write about because I've seen websites saying they are not bustabit clowns when in fact they are, so it better really be something outstanding to distinguish your website from a ton of others. I like the crash game, so I'll be happy to see another website dedicated to it. An opportunity of investing in a bankroll is also a good thing. I think you really should make a faucet, at least for people who are the first ones to visit and test your website. It does not have to be big, it just has to be enough to make a few bets. As for advisors, I think you can just share your ideas on bitcointalk and ask for feedback. This way you'll be able to see the whole picture, not the views of one experienced person.
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