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Okay,just leave everything,did you ever been close with someone who is Muslim? ...
Yes. Then how you are still alive,every Muslim supposed to kill non muslims right? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) From the western point of view, a Muslim who walks into a cafe and blows himself up along with 100 innocent people of all types is a real coward. Those kinds of Muslims would not mess with me (or anyone who is very likely to shoot back, etc) Again from the Western point of view, were I to be engaged in fighting world terrorism (I'm not) I would literally be surrounded on all sides by the "good Muslims" who were also fighting world terrorism. Now, let's look at your assertion. every Muslim supposed to kill non muslims right?That is not what your books say regarding action toward non muslims. It has various statements about protecting "people of the book" eg Jews and Christians, but also taxing them. Muslims are not to be so tolerant of non-believers, the Kaffers, are they? What is your opinion of that? Today in the real world Muslims have pretty much driven Christians out of numerous places and countries in the Middle East. I guess they have dare to do anything because they are going to blowup in the next moment. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Am I hearing good Muslims? Wah yeah that is what I am telling Muslims also same like others who fight against terrosirsm so not every muslim is terrorist. AFAIK,Quran said if you are a muslim try to make others follow the right path by words or action,if you can't convince them then just leave them never told us to kill for doing bad things for that the punishment will be given from God. Muslims not discriminated anywhere? This is just politics nothing related to religion. So why do you think that almost all Muslims agree that it is a good idea to kill anyone who insults Islam or its prophet? What is the reason why they want to kill people who draw a cartoon of a warlord and a pedophile who lived 1400 years ago? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fiamiranaware.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F02%2Fmohammed-tp1.jpg&t=665&c=ChgqBCUO1deZ9A)
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I see nothing bad about a religion such as Islam except for certain religious practices within a religion. Looking at Islamic religion, I observe most Muslims to show so much love for one another, a lot oneness is expressed by these people but, Where the problem always sets in is the jihad aspects. Where most people of different religion are regarded as infidels and a stain to the earth.
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So why do you think that almost all Muslims agree that it is a good idea to kill anyone who insults Islam or its prophet? What is the reason why they want to kill people who draw a cartoon of a warlord and a pedophile who lived 1400 years ago? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fiamiranaware.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F02%2Fmohammed-tp1.jpg&t=665&c=ChgqBCUO1deZ9A) Who agree here? NO one has right to kill anyone even if they insulted anyone. But imagine the same kind of insult was given to Jesus the same kind of threats may be arise to that creator so why particularly targeting Islam?
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... What is the reason why they want to kill people who draw a cartoon of a warlord and a pedophile who lived 1400 years ago? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fiamiranaware.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F02%2Fmohammed-tp1.jpg&t=665&c=ChgqBCUO1deZ9A) Who agree here? NO one has right to kill anyone even if they insulted anyone. But imagine the same kind of insult was given to Jesus the same kind of threats may be arise to that creator so why particularly targeting Islam? It has to do with getting two of your adversaries fighting with one another while you sit back, enjoy, and profit. Islam and Christianity being the two in this case. This cartoon seems a really good case study in a couple of propaganda techniques. The chief one is ' accuse your adversaries of that which you are guilty of.' We see it all over the place these days. I actually bothered to look up 'Muslim (8.3311)'. You'll be unsurprised to learn that the 'to have sex with her' in parens part seems to be fabricated. Probably the propagandists didn't think anyone would look. Turns out that Talmudic Judiism speaks in some depth about sex with children. The modern day apologists for Judaism are quick to point out that there were arranged marriages so because a 'girl of 3' was stated it didn't mean that the Rabbi was boning her (or him.) While the explanation could apply to the correctly translated Islamic texts, there is trouble in Talmud-land: The Talmudic debate seemed to specify three as the age when a girl's body was 'ready' which wouldn't make much sense unless sex was involved. Dovetailing with the Rabbinical texts we have a seemingly never ending stream of certain behaviors among people of a certain background (Allen, Polanski, Weiner, Weinstein, Dershewitz, Barak, Epstein, etc, etc, etc.) I would take exception to the idea that a 3 year old girl's body is 'ready' for sex, but then I'm just a animilistic goyim who's soul stems from the satanic spheres. The Rabbis have souls which come from by the divine so who am I to argue that it's pretty fucking awful to be dicking 3-year-olds when the Talmidic Rabbis say it's all good?
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So why do you think that almost all Muslims agree that it is a good idea to kill anyone who insults Islam or its prophet? What is the reason why they want to kill people who draw a cartoon of a warlord and a pedophile who lived 1400 years ago? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fiamiranaware.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F02%2Fmohammed-tp1.jpg&t=665&c=ChgqBCUO1deZ9A) Who agree here? NO one has right to kill anyone even if they insulted anyone. But imagine the same kind of insult was given to Jesus the same kind of threats may be arise to that creator so why particularly targeting Islam? This thread is about Islam. Answer the question I posed. BTW, go to your mosque and tell it to your Muslim friends that they need to stop threatening to kill people when prophet Muhammad or Allah is insulted. YOU need to talk to Muslims about this, not the non-Muslims.Non-Muslims see what Muslims are doing, you don't need to convince us, you need to convince Muslims to do what you preach here on this site.
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... What is the reason why they want to kill people who draw a cartoon of a warlord and a pedophile who lived 1400 years ago? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fiamiranaware.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F02%2Fmohammed-tp1.jpg&t=665&c=ChgqBCUO1deZ9A) Who agree here? NO one has right to kill anyone even if they insulted anyone. But imagine the same kind of insult was given to Jesus the same kind of threats may be arise to that creator so why particularly targeting Islam? It has to do with getting two of your adversaries fighting with one another while you sit back, enjoy, and profit. Islam and Christianity being the two in this case. This cartoon seems a really good case study in a couple of propaganda techniques. The chief one is ' accuse your adversaries of that which you are guilty of.' We see it all over the place these days. I actually bothered to look up 'Muslim (8.3311)'. You'll be unsurprised to learn that the 'to have sex with her' in parens part seems to be fabricated. Probably the propagandists didn't think anyone would look. Turns out that Talmudic Judiism speaks in some depth about sex with children. The modern day apologists for Judaism are quick to point out that there were arranged marriages so because a 'girl of 3' was stated it didn't mean that the Rabbi was boning her (or him.) While the explanation could apply to the correctly translated Islamic texts, there is trouble in Talmud-land: The Talmudic debate seemed to specify three as the age when a girl's body was 'ready' which wouldn't make much sense unless sex was involved. Dovetailing with the Rabbinical texts we have a seemingly never ending stream of certain behaviors among people of a certain background (Allen, Polanski, Weiner, Weinstein, Dershewitz, Barak, Epstein, etc, etc, etc.) I would take exception to the idea that a 3 year old girl's body is 'ready' for sex, but then I'm just a animilistic goyim who's soul stems from the satanic spheres. The Rabbis have souls which come from by the divine so who am I to argue that it's pretty fucking awful to be dicking 3-year-olds when They say it's all good. Huh? Does it matter who brainwashed them? If they want to be treated seriously, they need to preach to each other that peace they are so fond of to preach to non-Muslims; reverse this current status quo. Non-Muslims don't need to hear how peaceful Islam is, Muslims need to hear it. Non-Muslims already know that Islam is a bunch of hogwash water, not worth the paper it is written on. By acting this way, they all look like 7th-century simpletons. You want to convince me that Islam is a religion of peace, stop acting like little brats when I tell you what I think about Islam. And for fuck's sake, stop killing people in the name of your religion. Just STOP. That is what Muslims should be doing, not going around denying they have a problem, aka practicing Taqiyya. We are all grown-ups here. PS. Truth does not need to be defended. Truth cannot be insulted.
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... That is what Muslims should be doing, not going around denying they have a problem, aka practicing Taqiyya. We are all grown-ups here. ...
Misquoting someone's religious text then using that to dog on them is not really very 'grown-up'. In fact it is rather juvenile and desperate. I don't know jack shit about Islam because I've not studied it. I'm absolutely not about to get my information from people who have strategic reasons to make me hate them. As a matter of fact, you asserting that Muslims have violence problems kinda makes me believe that they do not. Or at least question that it's much of a big deal. I'm pretty sure I would be about as violent as possible if I were being treated like a Palestinian, Syrian, etc, etc. I mean if someone attacks me, kills my family, and steals my land I'll certainly be fighting back in any way possible. It would have nothing to do with religion because I'm an Atheist.
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... That is what Muslims should be doing, not going around denying they have a problem, aka practicing Taqiyya. We are all grown-ups here. ...
Misquoting someone's religious text then using that to dog on them is not really very 'grown-up'. In fact it is rather juvenile and desperate. I don't know jack shit about Islam because I've not studied it. I'm absolutely not about to get my information from people who have strategic reasons to make me hate them. As a matter of fact, you asserting that Muslims have violence problems kinda makes me believe that they do not. Or at least question that it's much of a big deal. I'm pretty sure I would be about as violent as possible if I were being treated like a Palestinian, Syrian, etc, etc. I mean if someone attacks me, kills my family, and steals my land I'll certainly be fighting back in any way possible. It would have nothing to do with religion because I'm an Atheist. Huh? Did the non-Muslims who died in the Charlie Hebdo attack have anything to do with Palestine? Why do you guys constantly divert the conversation to other issues? What about the Jews, what about US military involvement in the Middle East, what about Christianity, they were violent, what about Jesus insults, what about the rash on my ass? Who the fuck cares? Deal with the issue. The majority of Muslims are violent, homophobic, misogynist, religious supremacists who cannot take a hint of criticism.
Muslims have to do something about it. The issue has NOTHING to do with Palestine, Jews, Middle-East oil, etc.
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So why do you think that almost all Muslims agree that it is a good idea to kill anyone who insults Islam or its prophet? What is the reason why they want to kill people who draw a cartoon of a warlord and a pedophile who lived 1400 years ago? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fiamiranaware.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F02%2Fmohammed-tp1.jpg&t=665&c=ChgqBCUO1deZ9A) Who agree here? NO one has right to kill anyone even if they insulted anyone. But imagine the same kind of insult was given to Jesus the same kind of threats may be arise to that creator so why particularly targeting Islam? This thread is about Islam. Answer the question I posed. BTW, go to your mosque and tell it to your Muslim friends that they need to stop threatening to kill people when prophet Muhammad or Allah is insulted. YOU need to talk to Muslims about this, not the non-Muslims.Non-Muslims see what Muslims are doing, you don't need to convince us, you need to convince Muslims to do what you preach here on this site. This thread is about why you hate Islam,it maybe for anyone who hates it. Whenever I visit mosque I find people with peace and equality even I visited other muslime countries where king and people are same while praying there is no supermacy as you think in general. But if you found anyone influencing people to kill people then why you blame every muslim? Why people don't even wanted to speak with hijab in country like America?
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So why do you think that almost all Muslims agree that it is a good idea to kill anyone who insults Islam or its prophet? What is the reason why they want to kill people who draw a cartoon of a warlord and a pedophile who lived 1400 years ago? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fiamiranaware.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F02%2Fmohammed-tp1.jpg&t=665&c=ChgqBCUO1deZ9A) Who agree here? NO one has right to kill anyone even if they insulted anyone. But imagine the same kind of insult was given to Jesus the same kind of threats may be arise to that creator so why particularly targeting Islam? This thread is about Islam. Answer the question I posed. BTW, go to your mosque and tell it to your Muslim friends that they need to stop threatening to kill people when prophet Muhammad or Allah is insulted. YOU need to talk to Muslims about this, not the non-Muslims.Non-Muslims see what Muslims are doing, you don't need to convince us, you need to convince Muslims to do what you preach here on this site. This thread is about why you hate Islam,it maybe for anyone who hates it. Whenever I visit mosque I find people with peace and equality even I visited other muslime countries where king and people are same while praying there is no supermacy as you think in general. But if you found anyone influencing people to kill people then why you blame every muslim? Why people don't even wanted to speak with hijab in country like America? Isn't obvious? By association. You believe in the same religion as the crazy wackos, you know, the homophobes, misogynists, Islamists, Jihadists and the terrorists. No supremacy? May I remind you: لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا ٱلله "There is no God but Allah". So now you think Islamism is not a thing? You are full of it. I don't want to be friends with Muslims for the same reason I don't want to associate with Christians, Jews or mentally retarded.
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Isn't obvious? By association. You believe in the same religion as the crazy wackos, you know, the homophobes, misogynists, Islamists, Jihadists and the terrorists.
No supremacy? May I remind you: لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا ٱلله "There is no God but Allah". So now you think Islamism is not a thing?
You are full of it.
I don't want to be friends with Muslims for the same reason I don't want to associate with Christians, Jews or mentally retarded.
misogynists - marrying an young girl doesn't mean misogynists but slaving is also against Islam. Jihad means extreme love towards something,correct me if I am wrong but if they are killing people for that reason then they are not Muslims. Terrorists are terrorists no matter which religion they belong to. homophobes - I see this is something against the nature cycle.AFAIK human is the only animal attracted to same gender. There is only God and its Allah,other religious people call him with different names.
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Jihad means extreme love towards something, correct me if I am wrong but if they are killing people for that reason then they are not Muslims.
how can they be not Muslim when they believe in the principle of it? the only difference is how they interpret the meaning, but that doesn't mean they are not Muslim. Terrorists are terrorists no matter which religion they belong to.
true, but in today's society majority of terrorist are Muslims. it makes you wonder why. ( we also have one here in Asia and they are connected to ISIS) homophobes - I see this is something against the nature cycle.AFAIK human is the only animal attracted to same gender.
Wrong, there are other animals who attracted to the same gender, not just humans. you can look it up in google. There is only God and its Allah,other religious people call him with different names.
I agree! I don't understand the reason why most religious people insist that GOD, Allah etc.. should be called the way they call it, the meaning is all the same.
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October 27, 2019, 07:53:36 PM |
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Jihad means extreme love towards something, correct me if I am wrong but if they are killing people for that reason then they are not Muslims.
how can they be not Muslim when they believe in the principle of it? the only difference is how they interpret the meaning, but that doesn't mean they are not Muslim. Terrorists are terrorists no matter which religion they belong to.
true, but in today's society majority of terrorist are Muslims. it makes you wonder why. ( we also have one here in Asia and they are connected to ISIS) homophobes - I see this is something against the nature cycle.AFAIK human is the only animal attracted to same gender.
Wrong, there are other animals who attracted to the same gender, not just humans. you can look it up in google. There is only God and its Allah,other religious people call him with different names.
I agree! I don't understand the reason why most religious people insist that GOD, Allah etc.. should be called the way they call it, the meaning is all the same. Yes the radical elements are indeed muslims but it is their own version of Islam. Nothing to do with the message followed by the others. Problem here is Islam lacks a supreme clerk. Like Pope in Vatican. If your teacher says something of Christianity, and the pope says something, the world will believe the pope. He's the representative of Christianity. It's not the same in Islam. Since it's so rigid in terms of authority, it leaves open doors to all types of interpretation (and misinterpretions) for people to exploit. Majority are terrorists. But also majority are from countries with rich oil supply. Majority are from places where getting invaded is normal. All of politics, geo politics and dirty games are in play. You can't really generalise. It doesn't matter if animals are attracted to same gender or not. What happens between two consensual adults (doesn't matter their gender), is not a business of the state. No Islam or Christianity or any homohating religion has a right to deny them that right to freedom. However, everyone has a right to thought, and unless the thought is out there to harm someone, thoughts cant be prosecuted. Basically human beings needed God when they were scared. To justify their existence and to answer questions from nature and to justify their purpose of living. Call it by any name, if there is a God, he would love all names.
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Isn't obvious? By association. You believe in the same religion as the crazy wackos, you know, the homophobes, misogynists, Islamists, Jihadists and the terrorists.
No supremacy? May I remind you: لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا ٱلله "There is no God but Allah". So now you think Islamism is not a thing?
You are full of it.
I don't want to be friends with Muslims for the same reason I don't want to associate with Christians, Jews or mentally retarded.
misogynists - marrying an young girl doesn't mean misogynists but slaving is also against Islam. Jihad means extreme love towards something,correct me if I am wrong but if they are killing people for that reason then they are not Muslims. Terrorists are terrorists no matter which religion they belong to. homophobes - I see this is something against the nature cycle.AFAIK human is the only animal attracted to same gender. There is only God and its Allah,other religious people call him with different names. I did not say anything about Muslims being pedophiles, you brought it up; Freudian slip? I know what I said, all Muslims are misogynist pigs. They have discriminated women since the beginning of this cult. Looks like you did not read the Quran. But what is new. You were born into it, you don't need to read it. BTW, Jihad means struggle. In the context of Islam, it means the struggle to achieve religious world dominance. If you were Arab you would know that. 10% of sheep are gay, 22% are bisexual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
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Abu bakr Al-baghdadi is dead! The funny thing is, a successor will find its way back again and the cycle continues. The only way to break the cycle is for Islamism to disappear on the face of this world! If not, then muslims will continue to give birth to future potential terrorists and such!
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Isn't obvious? By association. You believe in the same religion as the crazy wackos, you know, the homophobes, misogynists, Islamists, Jihadists and the terrorists.
No supremacy? May I remind you: لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا ٱلله "There is no God but Allah". So now you think Islamism is not a thing?
You are full of it.
I don't want to be friends with Muslims for the same reason I don't want to associate with Christians, Jews or mentally retarded.
misogynists - marrying an young girl doesn't mean misogynists but slaving is also against Islam. Jihad means extreme love towards something,correct me if I am wrong but if they are killing people for that reason then they are not Muslims. Terrorists are terrorists no matter which religion they belong to. homophobes - I see this is something against the nature cycle.AFAIK human is the only animal attracted to same gender. There is only God and its Allah,other religious people call him with different names. I did not say anything about Muslims being pedophiles, you brought it up; Freudian slip? I know what I said, all Muslims are misogynist pigs. They have discriminated women since the beginning of this cult. Looks like you did not read the Quran. But what is new. You were born into it, you don't need to read it. BTW, Jihad means struggle. In the context of Islam, it means the struggle to achieve religious world dominance. If you were Arab you would know that. 10% of sheep are gay, 22% are bisexual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animalsSuch patterns of behavior in animals say nothing about the behavior in humans. Good article though, it does go into those distinctions.
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I see lot of people here hates Islam for many reason and I would like to know each personals why they are hating,mention the reasons.
I am a Muslim but not a Jihad or extremist,I love my life since its become peaceful and no one has controlling me like what others think.
One particular thing I hate from Islam is Multiple marriages allowed because it was created for good intention but now its being misused.
Any religion and its not teachings are not bad but the people who manipulate it for their selfish motives make a religion and its followers act extreme at times. I don't hate any religion but few things I don't like about Islam are polygamy, discrimination against women, and diversity in teaching. Kuran, being one of the oldest manuscript has been manipulated by leaders for years for their personal motives. Islam in Africa is completely different from that in Turkey and you can find similar diversity in other nations that follow Islam.
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I see lot of people here hates Islam for many reason and I would like to know each personals why they are hating,mention the reasons.
I am a Muslim but not a Jihad or extremist,I love my life since its become peaceful and no one has controlling me like what others think.
One particular thing I hate from Islam is Multiple marriages allowed because it was created for good intention but now its being misused.
Islam is one of the oldest and most followed religion worldwide. You face islam religion in most of the lanes of any nation but one thing you will notice is difference in rituals and teachings. Kuran for years has been at times manipulated by modern preachers for their personal motives and extremist intentions. Few more things that i dont like about the religion is act of polygamy and other practices which discriminate womanhood. Anyways, things are improving now eg. Saudi women allowed to drive, triple talaq ban in India etc.
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October 28, 2019, 08:02:42 AM |
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I see lot of people here hates Islam for many reason and I would like to know each personals why they are hating,mention the reasons.
I am a Muslim but not a Jihad or extremist,I love my life since its become peaceful and no one has controlling me like what others think.
One particular thing I hate from Islam is Multiple marriages allowed because it was created for good intention but now its being misused.
The extremist view of Islam and discrimination against womanhood really turns me off when it comes to teaching of Islam. Being the most followed religion in the world, the manipulation of the its manuscript leads to little extremist which we also call Jihadis. I would like to clear here that Islam does not produce extremist but mental preachers do. I have lot of Islamic friends and trust me they are the most sweetest to have around, also the food during Ramzan is just yum. If you have not tried yet, go make a islamic friend and thank me later.
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I don't have any problem with Islam, but I personally don't think that anyone should follow a religion - I won't go into that now though as it is a digression.
Many people in the West hate Islam because they are told to hate it by mainstream media and - probably worse because there is no requirement to adhere to any laws or standards, social media.
The rich elites at the top of society have always kept everyone else in check by making them fight amongst themselves. There is always some concocted 'Other' that we are encouraged to despise. In the UK there is a lot of xenophobia against the immigrants who are supposedly 'coming over here and taking our jobs'. The antipathy towards foreigners extends to Islam because people look at ISIS or Al Qaida and see that Islam is the thread that binds them together. Unfortunately a lot of people are simple-minded bigots who don't realise that this isn't representative of Islam as a whole. Give it a few years and the pendulum will swing away from Islam back to the other common targets.
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