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October 15, 2019, 07:59:50 PM
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AVOID
Cryptoknowmics
TOKEN SALE




Not all scams are obvious and not all scams are equal. Scams have many parameters and scammers have a wide array of tools at their disposal in order to carry out their scam but the object is the same - to steal. They will use every trick and option in the book from blatant lying to being economical with the truth and from misdirection to propaganda to name a few.


BITCOINTALK FORUM:
This is the cryptoknowmic token sale announcement thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168732.0

I noticed this being promoted in a user showing personal text: "Cryptoknowmics - World's First Decentralized Media" along with a Cryptoknowmics signature. I decided to look in to it and found some interesting things:

- The first 3 pages (first 59 post) are all from newbies
- post #60 is from a Snr Member
- posts #61 to #80 are all from newbies
- post #81 is from a Jnr Member
- posts #82 to #100 are all from newbies

If I am not mistaken it shows 98 out of the first 100 posts in their official announcement thread are from newbies.

It almost carried on that way throughout the 54 pages that currently exist, all the way to the last page. Using newbie accounts, sock-puppets and paid shills to pump any thread gives an indication about the mindset of the team behind the project.

If they are so desperate for your investment they need their army of sock-puppets and paid shills to pump their thread with propaganda, then it is better to skip past them and find a different investment opportunity that has an honest team and are trustworthy.

A special thanks to trusted and respected user nutildah because we can see by the feedback he left for some of the sock-puppets and paid shills that "Vitor Services" is behind the team-for-hire trying to generate fake buzz and trying to spread propaganda in the hope of fooling newbies and gullible investors in to parting with their cash and buying in to this scam token sale.

Update 16th October 2019: I checked the first 20 pages and pages 49+50 of their announcement thread and found 168 accounts that are associated with pumping for hire services. I also added their official user accounts CKM and Cryptoknowmic to my list below.

Update 22th October 2019: There are now 359 accounts that are associated with pumping for hire services that have been purchased by the cryptoknowmics team to spread propaganda by pumping this trash.

Update 28th October 2019: There are now 409 accounts that are associated with pumping for hire services that have been purchased by the cryptoknowmics team to spread propaganda by pumping this trash.

Update 1st November 2019: There are now 440 accounts that are associated with pumping for hire services that have been purchased by the cryptoknowmics team to spread propaganda by pumping this trash

Update 5th November 2019: There are now 460 accounts that are associated with pumping for hire services that have been purchased by the cryptoknowmics team to spread propaganda by pumping this trash

Update 18th December 2019: There are now 678 accounts that are associated with pumping for hire services that have been purchased by the cryptoknowmics team to spread propaganda by pumping this trash

Update 26th December 2019: There are now 742 accounts that are associated with pumping for hire services that have been purchased by the cryptoknowmics team to spread propaganda by pumping this trash

Update 3rd January 2020: There are now 795 accounts that are associated with pumping for hire services that have been purchased by the cryptoknowmics team to spread propaganda by pumping this trash

Update 13th January 2020: There are now 833 accounts that are associated with pumping for hire services that have been purchased by the cryptoknowmics team to spread propaganda by pumping this trash

Update 5th February 2020: There are now 1035 accounts that are associated with pumping for hire services that have been purchased by the cryptoknowmics team to spread propaganda by pumping this trash

Update 25th February 2020: There are now 1069 accounts that are associated with pumping for hire services that have been purchased by the cryptoknowmics team to spread propaganda by pumping this trash

If I have calculated correctly, the first 200 posts in the official Cryptoknowmics thread have been dominated by 168 sock-puppet accounts associated with "Vitor Services" promoters-for-hire. Those sock-puppet accounts have made a staggering 192 posts out of those first 200 posts and I still have another 30 pages of that thread I might check but since the scam is obvious what is the point?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168732.0

You will notice the ~ before each user, this is because if anybody wants to copy and paste them all in to their trust settings it makes it a little easier. you will have to remove the ~ if you want to copy and paste the users to your INGORE list instead of adding them one by one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile and then click "Ignore user options"):

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CRYPTOKNOWMICS WEBSITE:
Next we look at the cryptoknowmic.io website. Some very important things stand out. First the terms and conditions looking at what it states and what is leaves out: https://www.cryptoknowmics.io/terms-of-use

This has to be listed amongst some of the most pathetic Terms and Conditions that I have read. The team behind this charade have listed nothing in the Terms and Conditions to identify who they are and which jurisdiction they fall within, they also make no mention of which jurisdiction and legal action will take place in the event they decide to sue an investor or vice-versa.

There is no LLC/LTD, ownership or incorporation listed but this is definitely not a mere accident or it being an unfortunate overlook/error. This is done deliberately by many websites seeking crypto investors, it is rife and the purpose is to hide behind anonymity so when/if things go wrong (or deliberate scams take place) the owners/operators can only be traced with great difficulty.

website terms and conditions:
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"Thank you for visiting the website (the 'Site') of Cryptoknowmics ('we', 'us' or the 'company'). The company is happy to make available to you the content on its Site for informational purposes. Please carefully read these terms of use (the 'Terms'). By using our Site, you thereby agree to the Terms. If you do not agree to the Terms, you should exit our Site and not use or review any of the information that is posted in this Site.

Intellectual Property Rights. We own all intellectual property in this Site and its content (including without limitation any documents posted in the Site) including its overall appearance, graphics design and underlying source files. You may download or copy material from our Site, only for your own personal, non-commercial use. Any other use is forbidden. Except as permitted above, you may not reproduce (in whole or in part), transmit (by electronic means or otherwise), modify, link into, frame or use for any public or commercial purpose the contents of this Site without the prior written permission of the company. If you provide the company with any feedback concerning the Site or any material in the Site, such feedback shall not be subject to any confidentiality restrictions and the company will be free to use such feedback, without any compensation to you, for any purpose whatsoever.

Limitation of Liability; Disclaimer. The company has made and will continue to make efforts to include accurate and up-to-date information in this Site. However, the company cannot guarantee that the information posted in this Site is accurate, complete or suitable for any purpose. The company may alter or remove materials from this Site at any time.

TO THE FULLEST EXTENT ALLOWED UNDER APPLICABLE LAW, THE COMPANY MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, AND DISCLAIMS ALL IMPLIED OR STATUTORY REPRESENTATIONS AND WARRANTIES, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR NON-INFRINGEMENT, WITH RESPECT TO THE USE OF THIS SITE OR ANY INFORMATION OBTAINED THROUGH THIS SITE. IN NO EVENT WILL THE COMPANY, ITS AFFILIATES, EMPLOYEES, DIRECTORS OR OFFICERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES OR LOSSES OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER RESULTING TO YOU OR TO ANY THIRD PARTY DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY FROM ANY USE OF THIS SITE OR DEFECT IN THIS SITE OR ANY INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS SITE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO CONSEQUENTIAL, INCIDENTAL OR OTHER INDIRECT DAMAGES.

BY USING THIS SITE, YOU EXPRESSLY ASSUME ALL RISK THAT THE INFORMATION AND MATERIALS IN THIS SITE MAY BE INCOMPLETE, INACCURATE, OUT-OF-DATE, OR MAY NOT MEET YOUR NEEDS OR REQUIREMENTS.

Some jurisdictions may not allow the exclusion of implied warranties, so some of the above exclusions may not apply to you. You are responsible for checking your local laws for any restrictions or limitations regarding the exclusion of liability.

Revision and Update of Terms. We may revise the Terms at any time without notice by updating this Site. All updates to the Terms will be posted in this page. You are bound by any revisions or updates. You should periodically visit these Terms to review the current Terms that apply to your use of our Site.

Privacy. By using the Site you agree to our privacy policy, which may be amended from time to time, the current version of which is available here."


CRYPTOKNOWMICS WHITEPAPER:
Their whitepaper is no better: https://www.cryptoknowmics.io/ckm-whitepaper.pdf


CRYPTOKNOWMICS COMPANY ADDRESS:
Even though they avoided putting their company name and address on their terms and conditions for the token sale website, what these people did was to add a London, UK address on their website:

27 Old Gloucester Street, London, WC1N 3AX, United Kingdom and show it as their registered office.

Currently there are 831 companies registered at that address: https://www.companieshousedata.co.uk/a/69

With the exception of 1stchoice Company Formations Ltd and a few others, there are no physical companies with staff that work there but currently over 800 companies are registered there. They hire the address "27 Old Gloucester Street, London, WC1N 3AX, United Kingdom" for just £36 per year which is around 41 EUR per year or $46 USD per year: https://www.1stchoice-formations.co.uk/london-address-services/

[1] Now, since I did not find the company name I had to search around and found their Twitter account with a huge, massive fan following of a whopping 199 followers. There it mentioned the domain "cryptoknowmics.com" rather than "cryptoknowmics.io". And in the Terms and Conditions of "cryptoknowmics.com" it mentioned "Cryptoknowmics Ltd": https://twitter.com/Cryptoknowmic


UK COMPANY REGISTRAR:
All companies registered in England and Wales (UK) must be registered at Companies House.

A quick search shows the company was registered/incorporated on 28th June 2019: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/12074503

Here are two of the most damning pieces of information that should completely dissuade investors. First the shareholding value and then second, the nationality and residence of the owners:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/12074503/officers
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/12074503/filing-history
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/12074503/officers

In its filing history pdf it clearly shows Akhil Aggarwal as owning 80 shares at just £1 each and Abhishek Gupta owns 20 shares at £1 each. The company has a total nominal share value of just £100 (which is around 115 EUR and around $127 USD)

They are Indian citizens, with Indian nationalities and reside in India. Effectively they have no connection to London, UK except that anybody anywhere in the world can "register" a company in the UK without ever stepping foot there or even having an office or business.

The same process can easily take place between residents of one country and them opening incorporations elsewhere such as off-shore.


CRYPTOKNOWMICS SOCIAL MEDIA
Medium - https://medium.com/@cryptoknowmics_ckm
"404 - This account is under investigation or was found in violation of the Medium Rules"

Reddit- https://www.reddit.com/r/cryptoknowmics/
"r/cryptoknowmics has been banned from Reddit. This subreddit was banned due to being unmoderated."

[1] Twitter - https://twitter.com/official_ckm
This /official_ckm account has 9970 followers and the /Cryptoknowmic account has 196 followers


SUMMARY:
The fact they deliberately never made things clear about where the team would be based, as well as a host of other important factors, these people cannot be trusted. They deliberately put out enough information to make potential investors believe they were a UK based business with a UK based team. They are nothing of the sort.

There have been other examples in this forum where ID was used from countries outside the UK to register companies within the UK, all the while with stolen or misused ID. I am not stating that is what happened here but what I am stating is there are far too many red flags here including the obvious and desperate use of sock-puppets and newbies to pump 49 pages or trash in to the official thread.

With this evidence on hand everybody is advised to avoid this Cryptoknowmics token sale.



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Nice findings you got there and I'm really convinced that this is one of those fake projects just by seeing that they are using a generic address. One suggestion though is to put a proper format for your OP since it would be a lot easier on finding out the links related to the accused because right now I am not seeing any links for the ANN thread and the ANN poster, this would be a lot easier for the DT members to look for the ANN thread themselves and tag the persons related to the project. Try following this format and you are good to go. Also you might want to create a flag when you're at it.
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Nice findings you got there and I'm really convinced that this is one of those fake projects just by seeing that they are using a generic address. One suggestion though is to put a proper format for your OP since it would be a lot easier on finding out the links related to the accused because right now I am not seeing any links for the ANN thread and the ANN poster, this would be a lot easier for the DT members to look for the ANN thread themselves and tag the persons related to the project. Try following this format and you are good to go. Also you might want to create a flag when you're at it.
Thank you for the post. I appreciate the feedback and advice.




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After reading my post in their scam thread, the cryptoknowmic user made the above post - in other words he made no reference at all to my calling out their scam so it clearly adds more weight to the issues raised.

Just for good measure their post was followed up by a newbie and then a brand new user posting immediately after  Roll Eyes

cryptoknowmic is not a real business. This is a must-avoid token sale, they are out to scam users.

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In its filing history pdf it clearly shows Akhil Aggarwal as owning 80 shares at just £1 each and Abhishek Gupta owns 20 shares at £1 each. The company has a total nominal share value of just £100 (which is around 115 EUR and around $127 USD.
I am such a fool, I know I am not good at finding a scammer but these numbers really shocked me to the core. It is quite common for us to see a scam project but a scam project with these numbers are rare, it is like they are playing a joke with us. I have locked Cryptoknowmic local thread for now, I will wait for the team to explain everything about this. And thank you for the findings, I appreciate it a lot.
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In its filing history pdf it clearly shows Akhil Aggarwal as owning 80 shares at just £1 each and Abhishek Gupta owns 20 shares at £1 each. The company has a total nominal share value of just £100 (which is around 115 EUR and around $127 USD.
I am such a fool, I know I am not good at finding a scammer but these numbers really shocked me to the core. It is quite common for us to see a scam project but a scam project with these numbers are rare, it is like they are playing a joke with us. I have locked Cryptoknowmic local thread for now, I will wait for the team to explain everything about this. And thank you for the findings, I appreciate it a lot.


I really am sorry to be the one to bring you the bad news.

I just looked at your local thread, you have been active there since August 2019 so you have put so much effort in to it because you trusted the them. The time you gave to them deserved better rewards for you but this is how scammers work, they build trust and then they scam people all the while people believe they are not being scammed.

I feel most sorry for any investor in any scam because they are the ones that pay their money to thieves without knowing they will be ripped off.

I ran some searches and failed to find any one of "the team" are actually residents of the United Kingdom, not one. I think they are all Indian citizens living in India and have literally no connection to London (UK):
https://www.cryptoknowmics.io/ckm-whitepaper.pdf

As mentioned in the OP they rented their mailing address in London (UK) for just £36 per year which is around 41 EUR per year or $46 USD per year so they can fool people in to thinking they have staff and office there: https://www.1stchoice-formations.co.uk/london-address-services/


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I feel most sorry for any investor in any scam because they are the ones that pay their money to thieves without knowing they will be ripped off.

I ran some searches and failed to find any one of "the team" are actually residents of the United Kingdom, not one. I think they are all Indian citizens living in India and have literally no connection to London (UK):
https://www.cryptoknowmics.io/ckm-whitepaper.pdf

As mentioned in the OP they rented their mailing address in London (UK) for just £36 per year which is around 41 EUR per year or $46 USD per year so they can fool people in to thinking they have staff and office there: https://www.1stchoice-formations.co.uk/london-address-services/

I am not sad knowing their project is suspected as a fraud but I am sad knowing they only have £100 as their shares. I thought there is a minimum for a company to be registered under the law. I have directed this thread to their Telegram main channel, but until now I have not heard anything from them.
the admin is active but they did not respond to any queries regarding this accusation, there is some people defending this project though.

EDIT: This is their answer about the shares. I am totally confused, What he is trying to say.
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Bro who has what shareholding is for the team to decide, we are registered from UK which is mentioned on the website, i failed to understand how does this make us scammers, the way i see this is that you are just looking for two cent of fame for yourself

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I have just read the full thread, you have raised UK company point and other one is that i have paid people to comment on my thread, if you check the messages a lot of them have raised questions, concerns, suggestions etc, why would i pay someone to ask me questions

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Can you show one post of mine where we have people to invest money directly, we have only asked people to join our airdrop, bounty or other platforms wherein we would provide revenue sharing
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EDIT: This is their answer about the shares. I am totally confused, What he is trying to say.
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Bro who has what shareholding is for the team to decide, we are registered from UK which is mentioned on the website, i failed to understand how does this make us scammers, the way i see this is that you are just looking for two cent of fame for yourself

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I have just read the full thread, you have raised UK company point and other one is that i have paid people to comment on my thread, if you check the messages a lot of them have raised questions, concerns, suggestions etc, why would i pay someone to ask me questions

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Can you show one post of mine where we have people to invest money directly, we have only asked people to join our airdrop, bounty or other platforms wherein we would provide revenue sharing


Here are the main facts....

  • The first 200 posts made on their official token sale thread are dominated by 168 sock-puppet paid shills that made 192 of those posts
  • The team chose the UK because of ease of registration of company and to impress would-be investors
  • The team display a UK address on their website therefore it gives the impression they are based in the UK. If the team displayed a Brazilian address it would give the impression they were based in Brazil. What the The team did do was to ensure they did NOT use an Indian address on their website even they all are based there. They failed to state on their website and whitepaper where they are actually based.
  • They failed to list any incorporation details in their whitepaper
  • They have no assets and products - just seeking investment on the back of a tatty unprofessional looking messy website at cryptoknowmics.com which they claim is a "info and media platform"

I do not put these issues down to oversights and misunderstandings. These are deliberate acts to deceive. The rest is listed clearly in the OP

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October 20, 2019, 09:17:00 PM
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OP has been updated to show 350 user accounts that are pumping the cryptoknowmics ICO thread.

Most are paid shills from Vitor Service and alike, some are their own fake newbie accounts created to make posts of the lowest quality imaginable.

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All these alt accounts should be banned right away. The fellow member above was just one victim of this clear scam. I guess it's just another day on the crypto (scam) paradise. Never put money on any ICO without reading everything very carefully. And it's best to just avoid them all. They just don't deserve the time to read the papers. Unless done by known people on the crypto world it's best to just avoid them all.
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October 29, 2019, 07:43:57 PM
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The fellow member above was just one victim of this clear scam.
What? You mean, a lot of projects are victims of Jollygood's clear fake abuses?
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The OP has been updated.

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The OP has been updated.

Are INSANE or are sick with popularity and fame??

Are give me negative trust???really
Check my topic ASSHOLE,,,I'M NOT FIND FUCKING BTC AS TROLLER!

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I guess somebody will report me to theymos but which account will he use, the newbie one or the Hero one?




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I guess somebody will report me to theymos but which account will he use, the newbie one or the Hero one?





Do you have any prove about ur negative trust?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5200167.msg53034296#msg53034296

Show us the prove,as proffesional. I mad because you give someone wrong statement before you make investigation.

Prove like it with your reputation
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I guess somebody will report me to theymos but which account will he use, the newbie one or the Hero one?





Do you have any prove about ur negative trust?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5200167.msg53034296#msg53034296

Show us the prove,as proffesional. I mad because you give someone wrong statement before you make investigation.

Prove like it with your reputation


I am sorry you felt that way. When your alt-name posted in the Cryptoknowmics thread, I looked at the post history and with the pattern of newbie style context hence left my feedback.

Now, here is my problem. Instead of your alt-account or friend sending a PM containing profanities what he/you should have done was to have asked me to re-check it and consider removing it.

I have removed the negative feedback, it was posted in error but the PM that was sent to me should been asking me to re-check and consider removing it. The only reason it stayed up the several hours it was there was because after reading profanities in the PM made me not want to read anything further.

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OP has been updated. There are now 678 known sock-puppets / paid shills associated with the cryptoknowmics scam.

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December 21, 2019, 12:33:46 AM
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OP has been updated. There are now 678 known sock-puppets / paid shills associated with the cryptoknowmics scam.

You did the due diligence investigation and highlighted major red flags.

All is pointing out to another token sale which is going to give a whipping "negative profit" of 95% on the short run.

Investors are warned. There is no use to post later that they thought it was a great investment. They won't even have the usual excuse that it was hard to find suspicious evidence. It's here posted for all to see and check.


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December 26, 2019, 12:47:22 PM
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OP has been updated. There are now 678 known sock-puppets / paid shills associated with the cryptoknowmics scam.

You did the due diligence investigation and highlighted major red flags.

All is pointing out to another token sale which is going to give a whipping "negative profit" of 95% on the short run.

Investors are warned. There is no use to post later that they thought it was a great investment. They won't even have the usual excuse that it was hard to find suspicious evidence. It's here posted for all to see and check.

The OP has been updated. There are a staggering 742 paid-shills for hire associated with those provided by Vitor Services scammers.

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January 13, 2020, 01:31:39 AM
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The OP has been updated to list 833 known Vitor Services paid shills fake accounts and sock-puppets for hire fake accounts

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January 18, 2020, 04:54:29 PM
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The OP has been updated to list 833 known Vitor Services paid shills fake accounts and sock-puppets for hire fake accounts

Jeez, that's diligent counting on your part. I can't believe they have this many accounts!

The weird thing is most (if not all) of them were created anywhere from months to years ago. I wonder if they bought them all as a package from somebody. Hopefully they run out at the 1,000 mark!

I decided to open a flag on them since the OP of their thread just flat out avoided my questions about their infinite ICO, choosing instead to answer questions of the spammers he hired to post in his thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1254

Maybe that will get their attention, but I somehow doubt it.

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