Re: 10th anniversary art contest

[Laskoo]

One member, which received more than 100 merit in the art contest topic, wrote that he took the "base image" from another website, but at the same time his nickname is specified on the picture.
I suppose, this can make a confusion that this user painted most of the image.

I wouldn't know if this is "common" to do on artwork or not, but it is indeed confusing. Note that he originally posted it without Credits, and edited his post 2 days later. I can't know for sure when during those 2 days the Credits were added.
It's still funny and fits the contest.

Hello there!
Actually I added credits to the website minutes later, the "2 days later" edit you are talking about is actually the 2nd edit where I fixed a typo as you can see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg52815329#msg52815329

I feel like this should be considered true plagiarism. It's crazy it received so much merit, only if the guy drew these images himself should it deserve that much merit.

And why is that? Because you didn't got as much merits as me? I can also say you plagiarized your entry as I don't think you made the background image yourself, is just downloaded from the internet and you have just put a trophy and a box to cover some details like a chip or something. So don't talk and especially don't give negative trust for plagiarism when you also make it.

P.S. Bitcointalk funny thing: a plagiarist who is calling others plagiarists getting merited.

[Veleor]

Hello there!
Actually I added credits to the website minutes later, the "2 days later" edit you are talking about is actually the 2nd edit where I fixed a typo as you can see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg52815329#msg52815329 <...>

Quoted and archived

Judging by the snapshot of your post in the web-archive, it's not true.
You published the picture on October 19 and in the morning of October 21 it still was without any reference to the original source: http://archive.li/Om84c#selection-8461.1-8461.4

And apparently you also sent 20 merit to your another profile othell_rogue for this comment (Archive)

Proof of connection:

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[nc50lc]

Actually I added credits to the website minutes later, the "2 days later" edit you are talking about is actually the 2nd edit where I fixed a typo as you can see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg52815329#msg52815329

So you're talking about my comment to your artwork about a typo.
Hmm, I distinctly remember that there's no credit link whatsoever in that post when I merited it (it's about 3hrs later) so, you must be lying.

Otherwise, I wont send any merit since I personally dislike "copy->edit arts".

[Veleor]

nc50lc,
it's a shame that because of that plagiarism we couldn't see "The Last Supper" in your performance.   
Given your skills, it would be a decent artwork.

-snip-
Happy 10th anniversary community!

Crap, that was my initial idea (last supper in birthday setup)
Gotta move to plan B. <...>

[Kalemder]

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Wow this is great artwork. I like the voice when click some art.
Thanks to add my artwork in there.

Thank you so much. Appreciation of the work, even interpretation or click makes you happy. That's enough for me

Your work is great, by the way, my avatar: https://i.ibb.co/DtyZqdV/images-5.jpg  : )

[terizla]

I already create 30 images Squidward Art Version. My target is 50 images.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg52846255#msg52846255
I will accept request from anyone who want to i add in my Squidward Art.
Pm me and send your request guys.

by the way, my avatar: https://i.ibb.co/DtyZqdV/images-5.jpg  : )

By the way, i can create Squidward art with your version if you want.

[Kalemder]

by the way, my avatar: https://i.ibb.co/DtyZqdV/images-5.jpg  : )

By the way, i can create Squidward art with your version if you want.

Yes please : )

I'm a designer and writer. Lord of the Rings and GOT fans.
The avatars I usually use:
1 2
 

*****

It caught my attention among the studies. I like that idea and music. This work is original. Very interesting to listen to blockchain

Bitcoin sounds

I took the hashes of the first five bitcoin blocks and turned them into sound with the Sonification Sandbox.

For a Bitcoin sonification, I chose a drum instrument which complies in my mind with the vision of "blocks" and "technology".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYT721dbbFM

[Laskoo]

Hello there!
Actually I added credits to the website minutes later, the "2 days later" edit you are talking about is actually the 2nd edit where I fixed a typo as you can see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg52815329#msg52815329 <...>

Quoted and archived

Judging by the snapshot of your post in the web-archive, it's not true.
You published the picture on October 19 and in the morning of October 21 it still was without any reference to the original source: http://archive.li/Om84c#selection-8461.1-8461.4

And apparently you also sent 20 merit to your another profile othell_rogue for this comment (Archive)

Proof of connection:

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Apparently your archive link is pointing October 19 for the post without reference and not October 21. And as a side fact the original source is unknown because the base image is from a contest from 2011 but I credited freedom.org anyway because they held the contest. Anyway my mistake since I posted in a hurry.

As for the merit points, I think I can merit anyone I want how much points I want, ofc in the limit of 50/month. Same with the wallet, I can donate my money (BTC in this case) to anyone I want.
For your knowledge that wallet is from a donation fund of a project I hold a bag of coins, as you can see below and check on their discord #general -> pinned messages.

[LoyceV]

Apparently your archive link is pointing October 19 for the post without reference and not October 21.

The archive shows your post as it was on October 21:
        

And the post itself inside the archive shows it was edited after (almost) a day, still without credits:
        

This means you're lying here:

Actually I added credits to the website minutes later

You've been tagged by ibminer already, at theymos' request:

- If people are stealing artwork (ie. not just using stock images, but true plagiarism), leave them negative trust.

[Veleor]

<...> As for the merit points, I think I can merit anyone I want how much points I want, ofc in the limit of 50/month. Same with the wallet, I can donate my money (BTC in this case) to anyone I want.
For your knowledge that wallet is from a donation fund of a project I hold a bag of coins, as you can see below and check on their discord #general -> pinned messages.

Profile that has received 20 Merits from you yesterday at once, uses the same Bitcoin address, has the same name as yours and from Romania like yourself.

Salut! Eu sunt Bogdan <...>

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Salutare tuturor! Ma numesc Bogdan <...>

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[jayguar]

With 2 contests running at the same time, "10th anniversary art contest" and "[CONTEST] Design the 10 years of Bitcointalk commemorative Coldkey ($500+ prize)", can a user submit the exact same art/design without any modification/improvisation? Yogg who runs the Coldkey contest did say entries in the 10th anniversary art contest can be used in coldkey contest with adaptations/modifications. My 1st entry in the coldkey contest was based on my 1st entry in the 10th anniversary art contest. I need opinions if I can use the final art/design entries submitted in coldkey contest be submitted in the 10th anniversary art contest.

[Insanerman]

With 2 contests running at the same time, "10th anniversary art contest" and "[CONTEST] Design the 10 years of Bitcointalk commemorative Coldkey ($500+ prize)", can a user submit the exact same art/design without any modification/improvisation? Yogg who runs the Coldkey contest did say entries in the 10th anniversary art contest can be used in coldkey contest with adaptations/modifications. My 1st entry in the coldkey contest was based on my 1st entry in the 10th anniversary art contest. I need opinions if I can use the final art/design entries submitted in coldkey contest be submitted in the 10th anniversary art contest.

I have seen other members submitting their coldkey designs to 10th anniversary art contest. And I think it is okay since the art contest from yogg is demanding members to design their coldkey based on the the things that reminded them of the forum itself which is also a key requirement for 10th anniversary art contest.

I am not an artist but since theymos did not specify what form of art should be posted, I think coldkey design can be submitted as long as it is your original artwork.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Theymos said make an art about bitcointalk.org  some of the participants proven downloaded and used materials from internet and make a collage or something art out of it. I think those given merits by theymos that used this substance could be accepted since He doesn't specify much context rules regarding the contest.

Why would he give some huge merit right? Meaning the art he saw is good for him. But some people really do an amazing art of their own which is totally awesome and clearly their own piece. Anyway, the contest is almost near to its end and let us wish those deserving winners to received their fair share to it.

Hoping too win, also with my entries.

[Laskoo]

<...> As for the merit points, I think I can merit anyone I want how much points I want, ofc in the limit of 50/month. Same with the wallet, I can donate my money (BTC in this case) to anyone I want.
For your knowledge that wallet is from a donation fund of a project I hold a bag of coins, as you can see below and check on their discord #general -> pinned messages.

Profile that has received 20 Merits from you yesterday at once, uses the same Bitcoin address, has the same name as yours and from Romania like yourself.

Salut! Eu sunt Bogdan <...>

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Salutare tuturor! Ma numesc Bogdan <...>

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Why don't you put the entire presentation of @othell_rogue, which is: "Salut! Eu sunt Bogdan din Pitesti, dar acum locuiesc in Spania impreuna cu familia." meaning "I am from Pitesti (Romania) but I live in Spain with my family". Anyway there are maybe hundreds of thousands of first names Bogdan in Romania as you can check on wiki. The name Bogdan in here is like John in the USA, means nothing. Regarding the address I explained once above.

And the post itself inside the archive shows it was edited after (almost) a day, still without credits:
This means you're lying here:

Actually I added credits to the website minutes later

OK, after one day. Happy?! I edited more than once so maybe I said minutes and maybe were hours. Maybe I don't remember which one waas the first.

You've been tagged by ibminer already, at theymos' request:

- If people are stealing artwork (ie. not just using stock images, but true plagiarism), leave them negative trust.

Acording to wikipedia.org Plagiarism is: "Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "stealing and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions" and the representation of them as one's own original work.[1][2]"

So:
1) If someone from the contest used someone else image (even stock image) or idea should be considered plagiarism. There is no "true plagiarism" or "little plagiarism" there is only plagiarism. And if I look on the entries of the contest 90% are plagiarized.

2) The image I downloaded from freedommag.org made by an unknown artist is also plagiarized since he used da Vinci's idea (the last supper).
In my personal case, if using the image of someone who plagiarized da Vinci without giving credits is consider plagiarism, then I plagiarized the "unknown plagiarist" for 1 day (between the post and the added credits edit) so please ask a moderator/admin to remove all the merits received between or subtract them from the contest if removing them is not possible. My mistake, I can accept it.

[Veleor]

In my opinion, users should warn from the very beginning when they publishing their old paintings, that have been done before the contest, because it certainly places other participants in unequal positions.

Otherwise some talented cryptocurrency artist may show old works and win without making any effort during the current competition.

For example, one member received 165 merit at this moment for the picture which has been painted and sold in 2018.

[ibminer]

And why is that? Because you didn't got as much merits as me? I can also say you plagiarized your entry as I don't think you made the background image yourself, is just downloaded from the internet and you have just put a trophy and a box to cover some details like a chip or something. So don't talk and especially don't give negative trust for plagiarism when you also make it.

P.S. Bitcointalk funny thing: a plagiarist who is calling others plagiarists getting merited.

I'd love for you to post a link to where I downloaded the background on my 1st entry and put a trophy on top of it?  

Do you have anything to say about my 2nd entry?
(shameless plugs )

Yours came from: https://www.freedommag.org/special-reports/new-yorker/caption-the-cartoon/the-last-supper.html
Where it says below the image:

--snip--
Freedom asked our staff artists and writers to come up with the appropriate cartoons and captions inspired by Lawrence Wright, Paul Haggis and the rest of the apostate “Posse.” And to get everyone in on the act, we invite you, the reader, to vote for your favorite captions on each of the cartoons above.
--snip--

This, to me, says there were artists that created this cartoon and they held a contest on what caption goes best with the image.

I told you privately I was going to post something this weekend to garnish a community consensus, but based on what I'm seing here today, I don't think it's necessary.
If theymos thinks I was out of line with this feedback, he is welcome to call me out on it.

1) If someone from the contest used someone else image (even stock image) or idea should be considered plagiarism. There is no "true plagiarism" or "little plagiarism" there is only plagiarism. And if I look on the entries of the contest 90% are plagiarized.

2) The image I downloaded from freedommag.org made by an unknown artist is also plagiarized since he used da Vinci's idea (the last supper).
In my personal case, if using the image of someone who plagiarized da Vinci without giving credits is consider plagiarism, then I plagiarized the "unknown plagiarist" for 1 day (between the post and the added credits edit) so please ask a moderator/admin to remove all the merits received between or subtract them from the contest if removing them is not possible. My mistake, I can accept it.

1) Stock imagery is used all the time, various images online have various usage rights. A free public domain image that has no usage rights and is free for personal or commercial use, IMO, does not necessarily require credits in this situation. A stock image could depend on the type of usage rights a person has been granted when acquiring it. You appear to be getting into copyright infringement, which I think is worse than generalized plagiarism, as you are defining it. The two terms could go hand in hand but there are some differences.

2) It appears to me that "staff artists" created the image, as per my comment above. Da Vinci's stuff is in the public domain and I personally wouldn't consider it plagiarism nor copyright infringement.

[Laskoo]

And why is that? Because you didn't got as much merits as me? I can also say you plagiarized your entry as I don't think you made the background image yourself, is just downloaded from the internet and you have just put a trophy and a box to cover some details like a chip or something. So don't talk and especially don't give negative trust for plagiarism when you also make it.

P.S. Bitcointalk funny thing: a plagiarist who is calling others plagiarists getting merited.

I'd love for you to post a link to where I downloaded the background on my 1st entry and put a trophy on top of it?  

Do you have anything to say about my 2nd entry?
(shameless plugs )

Yours came from: https://www.freedommag.org/special-reports/new-yorker/caption-the-cartoon/the-last-supper.html
Where it says below the image:

--snip--
Freedom asked our staff artists and writers to come up with the appropriate cartoons and captions inspired by Lawrence Wright, Paul Haggis and the rest of the apostate “Posse.” And to get everyone in on the act, we invite you, the reader, to vote for your favorite captions on each of the cartoons above.
--snip--

This, to me, says there were artists that created this cartoon and they held a contest on what caption goes best with the image.

I told you privately I was going to post something this weekend to garnish a community consensus, but based on what I'm seing here today, I don't think it's necessary.
If theymos thinks I was out of line with this feedback, he is welcome to call me out on it.

1) If someone from the contest used someone else image (even stock image) or idea should be considered plagiarism. There is no "true plagiarism" or "little plagiarism" there is only plagiarism. And if I look on the entries of the contest 90% are plagiarized.

2) The image I downloaded from freedommag.org made by an unknown artist is also plagiarized since he used da Vinci's idea (the last supper).
In my personal case, if using the image of someone who plagiarized da Vinci without giving credits is consider plagiarism, then I plagiarized the "unknown plagiarist" for 1 day (between the post and the added credits edit) so please ask a moderator/admin to remove all the merits received between or subtract them from the contest if removing them is not possible. My mistake, I can accept it.

1) Stock imagery is used all the time, various images online have various usage rights. A free public domain image that has no usage rights and is free for personal or commercial use, IMO, does not necessarily require credits in this situation. A stock image could depend on the type of usage rights a person has been granted when acquiring it. You appear to be getting into copyright infringement, which I think is worse than generalized plagiarism, as you are defining it. The two terms could go hand in hand but there are some differences.

2) It appears to me that "staff artists" created the image, as per my comment above. Da Vinci's stuff is in the public domain and I personally wouldn't consider it plagiarism nor copyright infringement.

1) According to https://www.copyright.com/blog/plagiarism-vs-copyright-infringement/

"Plagiarism ≠ Copyright Infringement
Traditionally, the two notions of plagiarism and copyright infringement have been associated with one another. If it’s plagiarism, it must be copyright infringement, and vice-versa. However, this is simply not true. A case may not be considered infringement because it has followed a fair use protocol, but may still be classed as plagiarism. On the flipside, a case of clear copyright infringement may not fall into the plagiarism category because attribution has been given.

So, let me try again to answer the question clearly. What is the difference between plagiarism and copyright infringement? The two occupy different spaces that run parallel with one another. The only way to determine whether something constitutes plagiarism or infringement rests on what issue it is you are trying to address."

2) (...staff artists and writers...) don't subtract what you want from context

OK, so once again: If i didn't gave credits to the base image for 1 day, how do we handle this case? Do I get a merit cut, or I get negative trust for eternity?

EDIT:
Since plagiarism (a term so interpretable) is used way too often as an excuse to give negative trust and ban people around this forum, way too many Legendaries (OGs) give merit rewards to others if they prove others did plagiarism because they just suspect this (a form of persecution). Since this forum is about cryptocurrency (a privacy thing) but you have no privacy since every move, every post is recorded and stored somewhere out there. Since every time someone is accusing you of something, you must prove you are not guilty and not other way around (they should prove you are guilty) I just find this forum too centralized, too communist and... just a waste of my time so consider this is my last post.

EDIT2
Changed my mind...

[Kalemder]

Bitcointalk 10th Anniversary Gallery
3D - Virtual Tour
Click on computer

Added to the gallery today:

@bharal07 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg53076938#msg53076938
@Altcoinlog https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg53092433#msg53092433
@oregondreams https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg53084086#msg53084086
@ADAMA_NOW https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg53004703#msg53004703

[taufik123]

In my opinion, users should warn from the very beginning when they publishing their old paintings, that have been done before the contest, because it certainly places other participants in unequal positions.

Otherwise some talented cryptocurrency artist may show old works and win without making any effort during the current competition.

For example, one member received 165 merit at this moment for the picture which has been painted and sold in 2018.

Those who publish their old work may deliberately not explain if the work has been published. Because they think they will definitely get more appreciation. Meanwhile, for works that are actually just made a little, they get an appreciation. The jury must be more selective in determining who deserves to be a winner.

[Yatsan]

In my opinion, users should warn from the very beginning when they publishing their old paintings, that have been done before the contest, because it certainly places other participants in unequal positions.

Otherwise some talented cryptocurrency artist may show old works and win without making any effort during the current competition.

For example, one member received 165 merit at this moment for the picture which has been painted and sold in 2018.

Thank you for your opinion sir, I posted it because there are no specific rules for posting an old artwork. What we cannot do is steal other's artwork and posted it to the contest. I understand what your point is, but just like what Theymos said:

No, it's just for fun, not for any particular purpose, so there's no strict criteria.

Let's just enjoy the contest, let's just have some fun! If there's a rule for being unable to post an old artwork, I will not do it. and besides I am making a new one, so I hope you are gonna like this one 
BTW, thank you for mentioning that sir! so now I have a chance to explain myself for doing that 

Those who publish their old work may deliberately not explain if the work has been published. Because they think they will definitely get more appreciation. Meanwhile, for works that are actually just made a little, they get an appreciation. The jury must be more selective in determining who deserves to be a winner.

There's no need to explain that in the thread because there's no rule stopping us from doing that. I don't post it for appreciation I posted it for the contest. If you appreciate my artwork, I would be pleased! But if not, it's just fine, I cannot force people to like my artwork we have different kind of taste with regards to an artwork.

I understand if you didn't like my painting, we have a different perspective in terms of appreciating an art. Still, I gave my 100% to that, and I hope you can understand that. Just because it's old artwork, it doesn't mean I don't put effort into it.