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January 25, 2020, 04:17:05 PM
Last edit: January 25, 2020, 08:12:14 PM by DaveF
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Full disclosure: I did not hear about / know about your service until this morning when Hhampuz posted the Signature Campaign thread, I have applied but not heard back yet.

So, with the above statement being said, I figured I would give it test.

The good: Worked just as advertised.  Sent coins to the given address got coins back to other addresses. Just like any other mixer. Quick and simple. They give you the private keys which I think is great.

The not so good: you sent out the coins to [redacted] number of addresses but they were all the exact same amount.
Edit: see the comment from DarkStar_ below.


The neutral: You should have a way to space out the transactions. 2 now, 1 later, 1 much much later.

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January 25, 2020, 06:36:05 PM
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The not so good: you sent out the coins to [redacted] number of addresses but they were all the exact same amount.

That's how CoinJoin works (or is supposed to work in theory, as they probably are just creating multiple outputs to themselves and not taking multiple inputs from different customers). Don't use a CoinJoin mixer and then complain it does CoinJoin  Tongue

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January 25, 2020, 08:11:09 PM
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The not so good: you sent out the coins to [redacted] number of addresses but they were all the exact same amount.

That's how CoinJoin works (or is supposed to work in theory, as they probably are just creating multiple outputs to themselves and not taking multiple inputs from different customers). Don't use a CoinJoin mixer and then complain it does CoinJoin  Tongue

You are correct. For some reason I got it in my head that they were doing something different.
Yet again I was overthinking something. This is why I usually hold off on posting till I re-read it a few times. Updated original post.

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Promoting the service with a signature campaign should rise flags about the important observations made above.
In addition to the note made by DarkStar, i would like to insist about the name chosen by this service and how it is confusing; is it a mixer or a wallet having a 'Mix' option .
For both cases, it isn't safe for a wallet/tumbler user if it's confirmed that "Soduko Wallet" has the ability to store data in their servers.
I was waiting for Op to respond clearly to DarkStar but seems he hasn't yet a convinceble reply to avoid the negative feedback.
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January 27, 2020, 09:59:34 PM
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The not so good: you sent out the coins to [redacted] number of addresses but they were all the exact same amount.

That's how CoinJoin works (or is supposed to work in theory, as they probably are just creating multiple outputs to themselves and not taking multiple inputs from different customers). Don't use a CoinJoin mixer and then complain it does CoinJoin  Tongue

While you merited my russian post (i don't know for sure do you read it or not) it would be not good to not answer you here.

As i said in my russian post, i don't agree neither with you or DaveF (i agree in some points, but in most - not) and let me tell you here why. This post will not be translation of the russian one, and in fact it will be different from.


About DaveF's message:

1. And this is how CoinJoin works. In fact6 they must be the same amounts. Otherwise it will be more easy to analyze it. Let me show to you:

We have johhny with 1 btc from shitty Yobit signature, Dave with 3 btc from Sudoku wallet bounty and DarkStar with 5 btc that in fact it's not his own but badget for signature company
Code:
 
Input 1: johhny's 1 btc    --> Output 1: 1 btc
Input 2: Dave's 2 btc       --> Output 2: 2 btc
input 3: DarkStar's 5 btc --> Output 3: 2 btc
                               Output 4: 2 btc
                               Output 5: 1 btc


As you can see, we can't know for sure which outputs are owned by me for example. It can be or first output or the last. The same with you, even better, you have probability of 30 % to get caught. You can one output from second to fourth. It's obvious that the worst is with DarkStar. He owned at least 2 outputs with 2 btc and one with 1 btc.

But sorry, i forgot to tell why do we need all of this 'rituals'. It's easy: you will never now who in fact owns that outputs. If first output will be spent to fund ISIS or new Yobit signature, it could me or me or DarkStar (ha ha). That is simple idea  Smiley

But you can see that such system have one strong cons: analisys through balances
We are know for sure that johhny have 1 btc in input, so he will have for sure 1 btc in output. The same with Dave's btc and DarkStar's. It makes all much simple. Bad for us  Undecided

So in that case, we have PayJoin. It will be look like that:
Code:
 
Input 1: johhny's 1 btc    --> Output 1: 2 btc
Input 2: Dave's 2 btc       --> Output 2: 2 btc
input 3: DarkStar's 5 btc --> Output 3: 4 btc


Guys from ChainAnalysis will be like  Shocked Shocked Shocked
Now they can't use balances to analyze something, because outputs doesn't match to inputs! You will never know who is owning 4 btc and where is johhny's 1 btc ! How it happend? Maybe offchain deal, or i sold something to DarkStar through bitcointalk PM, or he sold something to you. Or everything in one time!
So sweet  Cheesy

So DarkStar's statement about different inputs it's true in meaning of fact, but it's not true in meaning of whole idea: CoinJoin it's like a larva of Monero's rings signatures. You're not sure who is spent this specific output, so you need to catch and deanonymize all addresses/people who participated in CoinJoin.

But CoinJoin, as a technology have one big cons. Not even a cons by itself, but CoinJoin is very sensitive to number of users. Not only the numbers of users that coinjoin, but also to their percentage from a whole number of users. If everyone will coinjoin, then DarkStar and guys from Chipmixer will be left without job, because bitcoin will be anonymous without them. If CoinJoin will be used by 3.5 anonym, than it is bad for those anonymous  Tongue

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January 27, 2020, 11:13:13 PM
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We are know for sure that johhny have 1 btc in input, so he will have for sure 1 btc in output.

Which is where the random fee .5% to 1% would come in and the random number of outputs over random number of blocks.
Yes you can get close but it's a lot more difficult.
Split it 4 ways and 25% block 1, 25% 4 blocks after that, 25% 13 blocks later, 25% next block.
So yeah, ChainAnalysis could probably get you close but not 100%
And the smart person puts it in 4 different wallets so when you spend they don't link back together.

But I do agree with what you said.

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January 27, 2020, 11:22:59 PM
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We are know for sure that johhny have 1 btc in input, so he will have for sure 1 btc in output.

Which is where the random fee .5% to 1% would come in and the random number of outputs over random number of blocks.

As i understand your point of view, you mean that commission in such case will be deanonimization factor. Or maybe i don't get your point right, but in fact, even with commission outputs it's not easier or heavier to find you. Commission it's just another story, it goes to different (owners) output.

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 I have a question, for why the deposit address private key is needed ?


We are pleased to announce that we are continuing to work on our mobile application Wink

In order to meet expectations, we would like to ask - what should be your ideal anonymous mobile wallet?

Please answer in this thread, or in private messages:

- What mobile OS do you use?
- What functions of bitcoin anonymity would you like to see in your wallet?
- Do you consider a mobile wallet a reliable place for storing bitcoins?
- What things do you miss in a current mobile Bitcoin wallets?


Those users whose answers will help us in developing the application will receive a small reward from us.
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Do you're creating a mobile wallet ?


So ok,

- What mobile OS do you use?
   "Android"
- What functions of bitcoin anonymity would you like to see in your wallet?
   "Not really know"
- Do you consider a mobile wallet a reliable place for storing bitcoins?
   "No"
- What things do you miss in a current mobile Bitcoin wallets?
   "Batch transactions / sending to multiple outputs at one time"

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I have a question, for why the deposit address private key is needed ?


We are pleased to announce that we are continuing to work on our mobile application Wink

In order to meet expectations, we would like to ask - what should be your ideal anonymous mobile wallet?

Please answer in this thread, or in private messages:

- What mobile OS do you use?
- What functions of bitcoin anonymity would you like to see in your wallet?
- Do you consider a mobile wallet a reliable place for storing bitcoins?
- What things do you miss in a current mobile Bitcoin wallets?


Those users whose answers will help us in developing the application will receive a small reward from us.
  Cheesy
Do you're creating a mobile wallet ?


So ok,

- What mobile OS do you use?
   "Android"
- What functions of bitcoin anonymity would you like to see in your wallet?
   "Not really know"
- Do you consider a mobile wallet a reliable place for storing bitcoins?
   "No"
- What things do you miss in a current mobile Bitcoin wallets?
   "Batch transactions / sending to multiple outputs at one time"



Thanks for your answers!  Wink

Other mixers gives you a unknown deposit address, and pre-mixing settings, which you can tune (such a time delay etc).
You loose control of your coins from the moment you send it to unknown address.
In Sudoku you control them all the time.

- If you send more coins than you want to mix, you can sweep rest from deposit address
- If you change your mind, you also can withdraw your coins
- If you top-up your deposit address, but don't want to mix right now, you can do it after some hours or even days
- If you top-up your deposit address, but realize that you want to mix more, you can add some coins to it and than press "Mix"





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There was an issue with translations of the ANN thread but it got sorted - well done @ SUDOKU WALLET

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There was an issue with translations of the ANN thread but it got sorted - well done @ SUDOKU WALLET

Thanks efialtis! You are great  Wink

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Mixing with Sudoku Wallet is free until 25.02.2020!

Only 2 weeks left to mix your bitcoins without any fees!

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Hurry up to mix your BTC without any fee!

Only 5 days left to mix your bitcoins for free  Wink

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Hurry up!  Wink
Today is the LAST day you can mix your coins without any fees!

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For me it is difficult to calculate the fees. Because the number of output addresses are random 2-4 and i do not know the Transaction Fee do you use.
Make me a example for 0.03 BTC and 3 output addresses, how much fees must i pay?

It would be more comfortable if you show the fees in the wallet before i click on mix my coins. And i think it would be more user friendly if the user can setup the ammount of output addresses 2-4.
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For me it is difficult to calculate the fees. Because the number of output addresses are random 2-4 and i do not know the Transaction Fee do you use.
Make me a example for 0.03 BTC and 3 output addresses, how much fees must i pay?

It would be more comfortable if you show the fees in the wallet before i click on mix my coins. And i think it would be more user friendly if the user can setup the ammount of output addresses 2-4.

Thanks for the reply!

In case 0.03 BTC to 3 addresses, you will receive from 0.00965 to 0.097 randomly on each address.

Make at least one mixing, and you will know how to return all fees!

In very short time (to the end of this week) we're going to add some new features to Sudoku Wallet, such as custom fees, output addresses, delay, swap coins, fund balance with another currencies, also.

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We make our service free again!
Mix BTC without any fees up to 31th of March! Wink

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Hello
today I've created a wallet, and deposit about ~6 BTC, but did not save my wallet key (yeah my fault)!

Support by email says that I can't access my wallet without key, but it seems like answer was automatic...
Can't access my funds now! Huh
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Hello
today I've created a wallet, and deposit about ~6 BTC, but did not save my wallet key (yeah my fault)!

Support by email says that I can't access my wallet without key, but it seems like answer was automatic...
Can't access my funds now! Huh

Sent you PM, please answer asap, and we will resolve your issue. 
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March 27, 2020, 08:02:14 AM
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Problem resolved, thanks a lot!
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