Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback

[Betcoin.AG]

It's strange that you would rescind action now, especially after you state you've already shown Coolcryptovator the screenshots.If it was a matter of decision-making, it should have been done prior to showing anyone the evidence.

The screenshots were sent to 2 trusted members with name redacted, as proof that this incident took place. To publish someone's PM publicly is a much different scenario. Thank you and we will be back to you as soon as possible.

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[allindiansuckmycock]

Hello, everyone who left negative feedback in 2016 was based on 1 incident that they had heard about but were not involved with. The one player who was involved with this issue was satisfactorily compensated and continued to play here. Prior to us contacting everyone who left the negative feedback, there were about 15 of these (all from the one incident). Everyone we spoke to reversed their feedback, except those remaining. Of those remaining, they were either unreachable or demanded money to change their feedback. Thank you.

There are 5 DT negative ratings on Betcoin.AG:

Zepher - inactive
Blazr - inactive
dooglus - active
Lutpin - active
TwitchySeal - active

Are the 3 active DT members demanding money to change their feedback? I find that hard to believe.

Hello, to clarify, unreachable refers to the fact that they would not speak to us about removing the negative trust, not that they aren't active. There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator.

Why you keep sending this proof to Dt member ?  They will find a way to defend this dt scammer. You need to post it this  on thread.

[The Cryptovator]

I just read now the screenshot sent by Betcoin.AG. Not sure if screenshot is real, it should verify by moderators before take any action. I can see there someone asked for xx amount to send his personal wallet. Although he/she had mentioned about "gamble and document every section" but its pretty clear he had asked for bribe. The amount wasn't very small. Fortunately I can't read username since they hide it,

I don't know why Betcoin.AG don't want to reveal that user. You should reveal him otherwise it will increase your tag due to false blame.  

[TheNewAnon135246]

It's strange that you would rescind action now, especially after you state you've already shown Coolcryptovator the screenshots.If it was a matter of decision-making, it should have been done prior to showing anyone the evidence.

The screenshots were sent to 2 trusted members with name redacted, as proof that this incident took place. To publish someone's PM publicly is a much different scenario. Thank you and we will be back to you as soon as possible.

Screenshotting a PM doesn't prove anything. PMs can easily be manipulated. Send me a PM and I'll show you how easy it is.

[Betcoin.AG]

After careful deliberation, we have determined that what is best for the community is for us to share this information. Below, you can find the unredacted screenshot. If anyone is concerned that it is not legitimate, we have reported the message to the admins and they will be able to verify that the message is not altered. Please feel free to send us a PM or support ticket with any questions. Thank you.



EDIT: You can expand the image by viewing it here and clicking the magnifying glass
https://imgur.com/a/yTlFRtM

[The Cryptovator]

Source: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-19_Sat_06.17h/51908.html

Blazr's judgement is Trusted by:
1. theymos (Trust: +28 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (62) 5365 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. dooglus (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (183 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. TECSHARE (Trust: +34 / =5 / -1) (496 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. JusticeForYou (Trust: +0 / =2 / -5) (21 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Haembi (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. Tomatocage (Trust: +18 / =2 / -1) (202 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. PsychoticBoy (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (7 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. Akka (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. scalar33 (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. 22naru Banned! (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. Welsh (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 606 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. goose20 (Trust: #  +6 / =1 / -5) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. Mota (Trust: neutral) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. gloryninja (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. EcuaMobi (Trust: +16 / =0 / -0) (427 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. yourcatsofat (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. Muhammed Zakir (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. onemorebtc (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. worthyou (Trust: +1 / =0 / -3) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. onemorexmr (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. HAZZA Network (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. foxjames512 Banned! (Trust: neutral) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. bumbazaka (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~Blazr's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. bbit (Trust: +0 / =0 / -5) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Foxpup (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 592 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. shitaifan2013 (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. poeEDgar (Trust: +1 / =0 / -2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. PurePwnage (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. resUnioC (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

If anyone is concerned that it is not legitimate, we have reported the message to the admins and they will be able to verify that the messgae is not altered..

Have you reported to any specific moderator or sent to all admin moderator. Please ask some of them to identify if your statement is correct.

[Betcoin.AG]

Have you reported to any specific moderator or sent to all admin moderator. Please ask some of them to identify if your statement is correct.

We reported the message to all admins and in our comments, we referred to this thread and that we would like them to verify that the message has not been altered.

[LoyceV]

Thread archived.

Blazr was last online in January, and last posted in 2016.
I can think of 3 possibilities:
1. The screenshot can be fake.
2. Blazr's account might be compromised
3. Blazr might have given up on the forum, and YOLO "nothing to lose".

[TalkStar]

We reported the message to all admins and in our comments, we referred to this thread and that we would like them to verify that the message has not been altered.

You have done your work from your end and ball is on moderators court now. I hope mods gonna check it from their side soon and that's the best way to get clear idea what exactly happened. Without having confirmation from mods it will not be fair to reach on any decision. 

3. Blazr might have given up on the forum, and YOLO "nothing to lose".

If this happen then we are going to introduce with another "feedback trade" in the same day. First one is here, scam extortion money

[TECSHARE]

I have done some forensic analysis on the screen shot image, and it doesn't appear to be edited. Keep in mind it could have easily been generated in HTML and it wouldn't show up using this analysis method. This is something completely out of character for Blazr, and I am of the opinion that if this message was actually sent, that the Blazr account has been compromised. This is something that could easily be verified by Blazr's inability to sign an old address, but given that they have been inactive this probably isn't going to happen. I will be removing them from my trust list for now until this is resolved one way or the other.

[minifrij]

Well geez, who could have seen it coming. Out of a list of either:

• Permanently inactive users
• Users with a provable, vested interest in successful, competing gambling sites
• Users with a hatred of Betcoin
• A user who didn't think to remove or amend his positive feedback when Quickseller was found to be abusing his escrow positions and lying about it

the last one was the one being a shady character.

In all seriousness, if this turns out to be true (which could go either way), it shouldn't be a surprise.

[PrimeNumber7]

To clarify, we offered this person chips to test the site and they asked for us to send 2 BTC to their personal wallet.

Why were you offering the person 'test chips' in the first place? Was this done in the context of the person possibly removing the negative trust? Was the context that it would allow the person to deposit their own separate money, and gamble without you knowing it was the person making the bet?

[The Cryptovator]

To clarify, we offered this person chips to test the site and they asked for us to send 2 BTC to their personal wallet.

Why were you offering the person 'test chips' in the first place? Was this done in the context of the person possibly removing the negative trust? Was the context that it would allow the person to deposit their own separate money, and gamble without you knowing it was the person making the bet?

opps, when you will read the screenshot you should realize why they offer 'test chips'. I can't see anything wrong there. They didn't offer exactly to remove their feedback. There was accusation which has solved but they didn't removed feedback. That's why Betcoin.AG offered to play on their site for experience how they improved their site. I think there is no option for manipulate on gambling, otherwise all site will gain money and users will loss. I will not put money on any site post testing purposes, who will return it if lost. Probably that was reason why Betcoin.AG offered 'test chips'.


However, I can't go any conclusion until verify PM. I have request to 'hilariousandco'  and sent PM for take a look here. Hope we will go to final solution.

[JohnBitCo]

After careful deliberation, we have determined that what is best for the community is for us to share this information. Below, you can find the unredacted screenshot. If anyone is concerned that it is not legitimate, we have reported the message to the admins and they will be able to verify that the message is not altered. Please feel free to send us a PM or support ticket with any questions. Thank you.

EDIT: You can expand the image by viewing it here and clicking the magnifying glass
https://imgur.com/a/yTlFRtM

The only thing which strikes my mind is why did you hide this information for 10 months.
You could have revealed this in Jan 2019, when the incident occurred. Any main reason for this ?

[Lauda]

You have one chance to guess who controls that account.

*eats popcorn* 

[hilariousandco]

Have you reported to any specific moderator or sent to all admin moderator. Please ask some of them to identify if your statement is correct.

We reported the message to all admins and in our comments, we referred to this thread and that we would like them to verify that the message has not been altered.

I can confirm it was reported and it appears to be legitimate. Blazr hasn't been online in a long time but he probably should be excluded.

After careful deliberation, we have determined that what is best for the community is for us to share this information. Below, you can find the unredacted screenshot. If anyone is concerned that it is not legitimate, we have reported the message to the admins and they will be able to verify that the message is not altered. Please feel free to send us a PM or support ticket with any questions. Thank you.

EDIT: You can expand the image by viewing it here and clicking the magnifying glass
https://imgur.com/a/yTlFRtM

The only thing which strikes my mind is why did you hide this information for 10 months.
You could have revealed this in Jan 2019, when the incident occurred. Any main reason for this ?

Yeah. You would have thought this sort of extortion would be made public asap.

[The Cryptovator]

Have you reported to any specific moderator or sent to all admin moderator. Please ask some of them to identify if your statement is correct.

We reported the message to all admins and in our comments, we referred to this thread and that we would like them to verify that the message has not been altered.

I can confirm it was reported and it appears to be legitimate. Blazr hasn't been online in a long time but he probably should be excluded.

Thanks for solved the confusion.

I excluded (~Blazr) from my trust list and seems he is no longer on DT network.

We don't know exactly about his account if it's been changed hand. But I can't see pass or email changed history on BPIP. So I have decide to leave negative feedback to him by referring this thread, so he would defend himself once he will come online.

If other DT's are not agree with my opinion feel free to leave counter feedback's.

[JohnBitCo]

Have you reported to any specific moderator or sent to all admin moderator. Please ask some of them to identify if your statement is correct.

We reported the message to all admins and in our comments, we referred to this thread and that we would like them to verify that the message has not been altered.

I can confirm it was reported and it appears to be legitimate. Blazr hasn't been online in a long time but he probably should be excluded.

Thanks for solved the confusion.

I excluded (~Blazr) from my trust list and seems he is no longer on DT network.

We don't know exactly about his account if it's been changed hand. But I can't see pass or email changed history on BPIP. So I have decide to leave negative feedback to him by referring this thread, so he would defend himself once he will come online.

If other DT's are not agree with my opinion feel free to leave counter feedback's.

It also means that  blazr account hacked or just change ownership has something more to investigate ?  Maybe anyone can email him to get his attention on this matter.

[Slow death]

Betcoin.AG why take so long to report this case? What action did you take when you received this PM in January? Did you just ignore the proposal and move on as if nothing had happened?

[Betcoin.AG]

Betcoin.AG why take so long to report this case? What action did you take when you received this PM in January? Did you just ignore the proposal and move on as if nothing had happened?

It was a topic of discussion at the time it happened, and has continued to be since then. Privacy is very important to this community and we weren't sure of the fallout that would occur from publishing a private message. In hindsight, we see that it is more important to the community to expose a breach of trust. And while we don't expect this sort of thing to happen again, if it did we would certainly come forward sooner. We wish to thank everyone for their support on this matter and are glad it could be resolved.