Isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi killed!

[squatz1]

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

Well no, that's not how this works.

You can kill a person by killing a person.

Islam in and of itself isn't bad, not at all. There are vicious people in every religion who believe that those that aren't apart of their religion shouldn't be on this earth, and that's how the world works. But these people aren't dangerous unless they act on these ideals, and that's what Terrorism is.

You're able to stoke fear in those that support ISIS by killing their leader, showing that everyone below him will die a horrid death as well.

[tvbcof]

I don't believe that shit.

He was only following the orders. He is probably resting on a big yacht and having fun with his underage virgin "wives" as a reward for his services to the US. Thanks to him the US once again could police the world.

Killing him? Haha... how naive.

Finally!  One person doesn't reflexively believe some bullshit story about some basically fictional character of a basically fictional organization just because it was reported on the Tee-Vee.

You would think that after all of the theater and fake news, more people would have wised up and become a little bit descerning, but even people here who one would expect to have a little common sense just buy everything the mainstream media pumps out seemingly without a second thought.  Oh well...what can ya do?

[Balthazar]

ISIS = Israeli Secret intelligence Service  

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[Coin_trader]

As long as no dead body and confirmed DNA of Abu Bakr then that shit still lurking on Syria or in neighbouring country. This shit is well known for faking out death to buy some time and to get away to the attention of media. Assuming that he was dead due to suicide is a very shit assumption considering that this guy is the leader of the most cancer terrorist group.

[Daniel91]

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

Daniel, I know English is not your first language so please read it again.  In the very second sentence, I said how an idea can be killed.

Killing people will not kill ideas.  That was the point of my post.

Religions will be killed by educating people and giving them the right epistemic tools to identify falsehoods.

I didn't reffer to your words about killing ideas but about killing religion.
Religion you can't kill,  even with education because it's also idea and for people in Muslim world is also their way of life.
They will not change their traditions and way of life because you will give them some education.
They are already brainwashed in their religion and their ideas so they will not change what they believe.

[af_newbie]

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

Daniel, I know English is not your first language so please read it again.  In the very second sentence, I said how an idea can be killed.

Killing people will not kill ideas.  That was the point of my post.

Religions will be killed by educating people and giving them the right epistemic tools to identify falsehoods.

I didn't reffer to your words about killing ideas but about killing religion.
Religion you can't kill,  even with education because it's also idea and for people in Muslim world is also their way of life.
They will not change their traditions and way of life because you will give them some education.
They are already brainwashed in their religion and their ideas so they will not change what they believe.

You can kill any idea if you replace it with a better idea.

Why don't you believe in Zeus?

[Juggy777]

I don't believe that shit.

He was only following the orders. He is probably resting on a big yacht and having fun with his underage virgin "wives" as a reward for his services to the US. Thanks to him the US once again could police the world.

Killing him? Haha... how naive.

Finally!  One person doesn't reflexively believe some bullshit story about some basically fictional character of a basically fictional organization just because it was reported on the Tee-Vee.

You would think that after all of the theater and fake news, more people would have wised up and become a little bit descerning, but even people here who one would expect to have a little common sense just buy everything the mainstream media pumps out seemingly without a second thought.  Oh well...what can ya do?

As long as no dead body and confirmed DNA of Abu Bakr then that shit still lurking on Syria or in neighbouring country. This shit is well known for faking out death to buy some time and to get away to the attention of media. Assuming that he was dead due to suicide is a very shit assumption considering that this guy is the leader of the most cancer terrorist group.

I’ll second that as this guy has been pronounced dead multiple times, and each time he wakes up and tells his followers he’s well and alive. While I understand this will be a huge political achievement for Trump if it’s true, but like others I too want some hardcore evidence that can confirm he’s dead.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7619101/Russian-Defence-Ministry-unaware-alleged-assistance-Baghdadi-operation-RIA.html

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/syria/2017-06-22/isis-leader-baghdadi-still-alive

[TheCoinGrabber]

Don't rejoice yet. From I remember this is not the first time this guy was reported dead. If true, well then good. I don't believe the madness will stop but it's one less psychopath on Earth.

The principle lives on even after the death of a leader; that's why it will all depend in the next successor whether he'll stop this madness or start fresh with a new foundation.

These can never be rooted out by simply killing leaders. The only way to make it stop is to dry up their recruitment pool at the same time. Which I think is hard in this part of the world.

Isnt there any confirmation if this one is legit? Yeah i remember this isnt the first time but basing into those reports seems like theres a high chance.

Talking about principles which cant really be changed up no matter what even leaders being killed i agree completely that if recruitment would be choked up then
there might be a chance but that thing is nearly impossible to be handled.

Haven't kept tracked of the news but a while ago while having dinner I saw a report on TV about Putin saying something about the operation. Something about congratulating Trump for a "major contribution". I believe the Kremlin earlier expressed doubts about Baghdadi's death.

Again, I don't see any point in celebrating over this. They made a big deal about killing bin Laden but that didn't really erased al-Qaeda, ISIS just happened to overshadow them.

[Rikafip]

Things for al-Baghdadi didn't end up as good as he planned 

[Bightening]

Yeah that news is all over the place, according to CNN "the final confirmation is pending while DNA and biometric testing is conducted".  

On top of that, this is what Trump tweeted last night
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1188264965930700801





Well, i guess we will know everything in about 2 hours.

It’s been three hours already. ‪ https://cnn.it/2Wkz54C‬
Any luck on the DNA test?

And about the trump tweet, IMO, this is just trump doing what he does with keeping his Twitter followers guessing. Trump is anything but predictable.

[Naida_BR]

Citing two senior administration officials, the New York Times reported that US special operations commandos had carried out a risky raid in north-western Syria on Saturday against a senior terrorist leader there, but did not name the person targeted.
Isis leader Baghdadi appears in video for first time in five years
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Iran was informed by Syrian sources that Baghdadi had been killed, two Iranian officials told Reuters on Sunday.

“Iran was informed about Baghdadi’s death by Syrian officials who got it from the field,” one of the officials said.

Reuters was also told by Iraqi security sources that Baghdadi had been killed.

“Our sources from inside Syria have confirmed to the Iraqi intelligence team tasked with pursuing Baghdadi that he has been killed alongside his personal bodyguard in Idlib, after his hiding place was discovered when he tried to get his family out of Idlib towards the Turkish border,” one of the sources told Reuters.

Read more about it  here.


Trump will make  statement at 9 am Washington time (13:00 GMT), might even be true since White House spokesman announced it as " major statement".

edit: from CNN

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is believed to have detonated a suicide vest during a raid conducted by the US military in northwest Syria on Saturday, according to a senior US defense official

I wonder what it is going to happen now.
I think that iSIS is going to try to get revenge with a terrorism attack. Maybe inside European mainland maybe inside US territory.
Personnaly, I hope that iSIS is going to be vanished and not come back stronger.

[PrimeNumber7]

I found it hilarious that Trump tweeted out the picture of one of the dogs that participated in the raid.

I read an opinion piece about how Trumps language in describing how he died was probably intentional in order to demoralize ISIS. They apparently very much do not like dogs and the fact that dogs not only were used to help kill the terrorist, but also to describe how he died is a major insult and should remove some credibility from those seeing ISIS propaganda.

Who ever would have guessed that a President Trump would be using Twitter as a weapon of war against America’s (and the worlds) enemies.

[Spendulus]

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

Daniel, I know English is not your first language so please read it again.  In the very second sentence, I said how an idea can be killed.

Killing people will not kill ideas.  That was the point of my post.

Religions will be killed by educating people and giving them the right epistemic tools to identify falsehoods.

I didn't reffer to your words about killing ideas but about killing religion.
Religion you can't kill,  even with education because it's also idea and for people in Muslim world is also their way of life.
They will not change their traditions and way of life because you will give them some education.
They are already brainwashed in their religion and their ideas so they will not change what they believe.

You can kill any idea if you replace it with a better idea.

Why don't you believe in Zeus?

I'm a Thor believer. Which would you prefer, a Zeusium or a Thorium reactor?

[af_newbie]

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

Daniel, I know English is not your first language so please read it again.  In the very second sentence, I said how an idea can be killed.

Killing people will not kill ideas.  That was the point of my post.

Religions will be killed by educating people and giving them the right epistemic tools to identify falsehoods.

I didn't reffer to your words about killing ideas but about killing religion.
Religion you can't kill,  even with education because it's also idea and for people in Muslim world is also their way of life.
They will not change their traditions and way of life because you will give them some education.
They are already brainwashed in their religion and their ideas so they will not change what they believe.

You can kill any idea if you replace it with a better idea.

Why don't you believe in Zeus?

I'm a Thor believer. Which would you prefer, a Zeusium or a Thorium reactor?

I live in the country so I would have to go with Yum Kaax. LOL.

[jossiel]

I found it hilarious that Trump tweeted out the picture of one of the dogs that participated in the raid.

I read an opinion piece about how Trumps language in describing how he died was probably intentional in order to demoralize ISIS. They apparently very much do not like dogs and the fact that dogs not only were used to help kill the terrorist, but also to describe how he died is a major insult and should remove some credibility from those seeing ISIS propaganda.

Who ever would have guessed that a President Trump would be using Twitter as a weapon of war against America’s (and the worlds) enemies.

Yes, that service dog that hasn't been named contributed to the raid.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/29/zero-bark-thirty-dog-that-took-part-in-al-baghdadi-raid-sets-tongues-wagging

Didn't know about that thing about them with dogs but their idealogy has been passed to their members.

[finzyoj]

I don't believe that shit.

He was only following the orders. He is probably resting on a big yacht and having fun with his underage virgin "wives" as a reward for his services to the US. Thanks to him the US once again could police the world.

Killing him? Haha... how naive.

Well that's another version of the whole story. But no one still presented a very stromg proof that ISIS was just a bunch of suicidal slaves of US which are ready to die in order to reach US' personal agenda. Nonetheless this is a very good news for us because for sure the faction of terrorists weakens. However, the war is not yet over since they only killed the leader and not all of them. He is replaceable .

[PrimeNumber7]

I found it hilarious that Trump tweeted out the picture of one of the dogs that participated in the raid.

I read an opinion piece about how Trumps language in describing how he died was probably intentional in order to demoralize ISIS. They apparently very much do not like dogs and the fact that dogs not only were used to help kill the terrorist, but also to describe how he died is a major insult and should remove some credibility from those seeing ISIS propaganda.

Who ever would have guessed that a President Trump would be using Twitter as a weapon of war against America’s (and the worlds) enemies.

Yes, that service dog that hasn't been named contributed to the raid.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/29/zero-bark-thirty-dog-that-took-part-in-al-baghdadi-raid-sets-tongues-wagging

Didn't know about that thing about them with dogs but their idealogy has been passed to their members.

It was irresponsible for the Guardian to release the name of the Dog because it could potentially reveal the name of some of the soldiers who are still in combat zones in the area and endanger their lives. I don’t think the dogs name is newsworthy enough to do this.

[creepyjas]

Not a reason to rejoice. Dead or alive, terrorism will continue. This Abu-bambi-kelly has his succesor and will surely make the show go on.

Gov = Terrorism
Business = Terrorism
Greed = Terrorism


I can’t think of anything that will end this mania.

[squatz1]

Seems like the US has also killed ISIS second in command. Which I don't think warrants its own thread, so we're going to stick everything here.

Just confirmed that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s number one replacement has been terminated by American troops. Most likely would have taken the top spot - Now he is also Dead!

For the people that are skeptical at all regarding the deaths: That's your view on the matter, though I don't see a reason for the US to not kill these people.....s

[tvbcof]

Seems like the US has also killed ISIS second in command. Which I don't think warrants its own thread, so we're going to stick everything here.

Just confirmed that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s number one replacement has been terminated by American troops. Most likely would have taken the top spot - Now he is also Dead!

For the people that are skeptical at all regarding the deaths: That's your view on the matter, though I don't see a reason for the US to not kill these people.....s

Only that they spent billions of my tax dollars building ISIS in the first place and continue to shuttle them out of harms way when they get their asses beat, allow them to 'break' out of jail, etc, etc.

So-called 'ISIS' is just a bunch of mercenaries from all over the world.  The US/Israel creation and nurturing of so-called ISIS is basically beyond 'theory at this point.  Try listening to real investigative journalists once in a while:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVHi8JKNVz4

For my part, I've been watching the congressional authorizations, money appropriations, training campaigns, etc since before they even coined the term 'ISIS' (and 'IS' and 'ISIL' and etc.)  Helps to have analysed the genesis and utilization of 'al qaida' (meaning 'the database'...a CIA database of warm bodies who could be useful for this and that starting back when the Soviets had Afghanistan.