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November 02, 2019, 02:58:37 PM
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Please check my above answers for 1-2, we haven't spent a single dollar/btc/eth etc on any generation of fake buzz.
Then why would newbies associated with sock-puppet accounts be using your thread to ask amazing questions to entice an apt response?

Those sock-puppet scammer accounts have not been busy on mega project threads such as Bitcoin, Ethereum, XRP or anything else but somehow they woke up one day and literally said "HALLELUJAH PRAISE THE LORD" and were somehow guided by divine intervention to your announcement thread? Even those ridiculous ones that woke up after a 2 year period of inactivity just to wake up to post here then vanish again?

What little benefit of the doubt I was giving you is almost eroded. Pathetic. Instead of owning up and saying you made a mistake by hiring a paid shill team you claim innocence.




In terms of your question about Terms and Conditions and Policy,
Our project isn't live yet.

We will be live on November 7th, this is still on our to do list and we're talking with a legal team procuring such documents, we'll have it up by the 7th of November when we are officially live.

We'd like to remind everyone that we're announcing our project to your community as we are at the home stretch of developing for over a year and a half.

We started out a year ago as just devs trying to push the boundaries of current blockchain technology into something new and progress it.

Since then we've built a business around that technology and are at the final bits. We appreciate all concerns, please let us know if you have anymore questions,

The Zentoshi Team
Since you paragraphed everything together and it would misdirect I decided to spread out response.

I was fairly sure you would post in the format you did and again there is nothing impressive about it because any sort of misdirection you have an opportunity to use is going to be taken.

Having said that let us analyse what you wrote....

You are listing Terms and Condition plus Privacy policy on a website that you are diverting people for a project that is supposed to go live on 7th November 2019 but you are saying your legal team has not completed the documents? Knowing that you are promoting your whitepaper and allowing people to visit your site and sign up WITHOUT teling them what the terms actually are and how their data will be used because the privacy policy does not exist?

In simple terms if your website is not ready why are you promoting your project using it? That is one of the worst things you can do as a business. Lack of Terms and Conditions and Privacy policy clearly shows as a business you and your team are inept as far as commerce is comncerned.

Give it up, stop right here and do not think about getting rich of the back of a token that will make you rich. If you really had been pushing the boundaries of blockchain for over a year then you would have had a complete product by now with no requirement for a token sale.

I am done with this subject about giving you the benefit of any doubt. I still will not say you are scammers but I will say that you are an amatuer who is way out of his league here and if the token sale goes ahead you will make some money and within months the project will be officially dead even though unofficially it will probably die immediately after the token sale regardless of soft/hard caps.

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You are listing Terms and Condition plus Privacy policy on a website that you are diverting people for a project that is supposed to go live on 7th November 2019 but you are saying your legal team has not completed the documents? Knowing that you are promoting your whitepaper and allowing people to visit your site and sign up WITHOUT teling them what the terms actually are and how their data will be used because the privacy policy does not exist?

I am done with this subject about giving you the benefit of any doubt. I still will not say you are scammers but I will say that you are an amatuer who is way out of his league here and if the token sale goes ahead you will make some money and within months the project will be officially dead even though unofficially it will probably die immediately after the token sale regardless of soft/hard caps.


That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers
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November 02, 2019, 03:16:47 PM
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That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers

The OP has denied using paid shills, on the contrary claiming he knows nothing about it.

Somehow, according to the OP potential users on Discord and alike might have found their way here. No, I do not believe it as there is no evidence to back it up but there is evidence newbies without posting history pumped this thread before questions about its integrity and viability were raised.

He should have used the opportunity to apologise and admit his error and then promise not to use shills and sock-puppets again but he opted to deny it. That in itself is a major problem because if a project member can lie over something so trivial even in the face mounting evidence and irrefutable evidence then maybe they have been lying about other things and maybe they will lie about others things especially convenient lies when the project goes under and investors lose their funds.

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November 02, 2019, 03:24:52 PM
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That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers

The OP has denied using paid shills, on the contrary claiming he knows nothing about it.

Somehow, according to the OP potential users on Discord and alike might have found their way here. No, I do not believe it as there is no evidence to back it up but there is evidence newbies without posting history pumped this thread before questions about its integrity and viability were raised.

He should have used the opportunity to apologise and admit his error and then promise not to use shills and sock-puppets again but he opted to deny it. That in itself is a major problem because if a project member can lie over something so trivial even in the face mounting evidence and irrefutable evidence then maybe they have been lying about other things and maybe they will lie about others things especially convenient lies when the project goes under and investors lose their funds.

That was their mistake. They should study everything closely, before doing all that shit. Now the reputation of this project is damaged and I highly doubt that anyone will invest here. As you said OP is an amateur and does not understand how to announce the project in the right way. Using shills and shitposters was the biggest mistake, together with hiding team members names. We clarified everything and now it is up to them how to proceed.    
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November 02, 2019, 06:45:25 PM
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I got lost in that massive OP, are they soliciting funds? i just saw PoW+premine for distro i thought..
Im not picky, ill mine most shit, i never care if a team is anon as long as their not asking for money up front for anything (although the massive "team" IS also weird i agree)
Premines are premines, miners can make their choice on if they are worth it or not for each project for them to get involved with their hashpower
I like this algo, balloon was an old classic that never really got its day imo
The thing i wonder if how they thought to use it, as it was kinda some shady projects algo when it appeared the first times around here... are the same people involved here?
and the newbies in this thread are dreadfully weird for sure haha. block reward is kinda chinsy too! Tongue

See how it goes!


 
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November 02, 2019, 07:53:06 PM
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That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers

The OP has denied using paid shills, on the contrary claiming he knows nothing about it.

Somehow, according to the OP potential users on Discord and alike might have found their way here. No, I do not believe it as there is no evidence to back it up but there is evidence newbies without posting history pumped this thread before questions about its integrity and viability were raised.

He should have used the opportunity to apologise and admit his error and then promise not to use shills and sock-puppets again but he opted to deny it. That in itself is a major problem because if a project member can lie over something so trivial even in the face mounting evidence and irrefutable evidence then maybe they have been lying about other things and maybe they will lie about others things especially convenient lies when the project goes under and investors lose their funds.

That was their mistake. They should study everything closely, before doing all that shit. Now the reputation of this project is damaged and I highly doubt that anyone will invest here. As you said OP is an amateur and does not understand how to announce the project in the right way. Using shills and shitposters was the biggest mistake, together with hiding team members names. We clarified everything and now it is up to them how to proceed.    
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Now the reputation of this project is damaged and I highly doubt that anyone will invest here. As you said OP is an amateur and does not understand how to announce the project in the right way.
damaged...you guys pointed them to the mistakes they made, the team responds, does something...you sound like you're burying a project that hasn't been born yet.
in any case, the project is under the close supervision of the local guardians of order, but let's be tolerant and do not jump to conclusions.
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In terms of the project being transparent, I have procured a list in hopes to remedy this issue and abide by the unofficial rules listed (I will edit this post and grow it as more of our team members agree to share):
CEO Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-weinrub-851a6b2b/
COO Jonathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-vila-b98a4a159/
Cameron: Twitter is @Yankeeruinx
    Reddit is u/Yankeeruinx
Arcane: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefan-hansen-2ba2479/
Andrew: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-meyer-a4a668197/
Alihan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alihan-%C3%A7elikcan-333544178/
Jerry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremy-vila-62097313a/
Konnov: https://www.linkedin.com/in/konnovdev/
Spencer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/spencer-ford-4a54a3179/
Vijay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijay-bikkina-731664197/
Kinkade: https://www.linkedin.com/in/felix-shikaa-018399162
Laurel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphael-ukinebo-00958587
Kou: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kourosh-tabassi-43b63361/
Johan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johan-andersson-604719197/
In this list you will find top officials in our team, the full marketing team, all chief officers CDO, COO, CEO, CMO, our HR department, and our developers except Barry how refuses to be on socials.
I hope this will put your minds at ease, and we can move forward to questions about the technology or the project itself,

I’ll suggest you go on to update your ANN thread with these information. Anyone visiting you btt thread would like to know these information is available and doesn’t need to read every single comment on the thread to find out.

Next, I’ll suggest you go on with discussions about the project and what you have to offer. Lesson must have been learnt, I hope this turns out as more adverting for you, since you’ve showed yourself to be transparent.

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Good evening everyone, Zentoshi team here

That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers

The OP has denied using paid shills, on the contrary claiming he knows nothing about it.

Somehow, according to the OP potential users on Discord and alike might have found their way here. No, I do not believe it as there is no evidence to back it up but there is evidence newbies without posting history pumped this thread before questions about its integrity and viability were raised.

He should have used the opportunity to apologise and admit his error and then promise not to use shills and sock-puppets again but he opted to deny it. That in itself is a major problem because if a project member can lie over something so trivial even in the face mounting evidence and irrefutable evidence then maybe they have been lying about other things and maybe they will lie about others things especially convenient lies when the project goes under and investors lose their funds.

Hello Jolly,
As we mentioned, we haven't paid for a single bit of advertising for BTT. We made an announcement on our discord to our community that we posted an ANN thread when we posted it, and we wrote an article on medium, in both of these we told them if they had any questions to ask their. Some of them made their way on to this forum, created accounts and posted their questions, all to which was genuine interest on the project. We're unsure if our community should be excluded from your forum simply because they found the project before you did, but for the most part we were stuck on page 4-8. The only ones who saw us were our community for the majority of the time, until a hero member found us, read our whitepaper and liked it. He bumped our thread which pushed it to page 1, which is when you found it.

Our Medium article, we've posted it a few other places, these people were the first ones to find our BTT, and many made accounts here just to ask questions.

Please we encourage you to read our whitepaper, it seems you are uninformed about major aspects of our project, we are not an ICO. Please continue to read my response to the next post as we will be detailing some of the technology you can take advantage of and how to become a Zentopian  Smiley

I got lost in that massive OP, are they soliciting funds? i just saw PoW+premine for distro i thought..
Im not picky, ill mine most shit, i never care if a team is anon as long as their not asking for money up front for anything (although the massive "team" IS also weird i agree)
Premines are premines, miners can make their choice on if they are worth it or not for each project for them to get involved with their hashpower
I like this algo, balloon was an old classic that never really got its day imo
The thing i wonder if how they thought to use it, as it was kinda some shady projects algo when it appeared the first times around here... are the same people involved here?
and the newbies in this thread are dreadfully weird for sure haha. block reward is kinda chinsy too! Tongue

See how it goes!



Hello CJ,

We are a PoW/PoS we have duality from combining bitcoin core v018 the latest with dash evo implementation. We are one of the firsts to be able to achieve this, we plan to make it public and allow many to fork us and take advantage of this cutting edge technology. One of the benefits beyond security of the latest tech, is something that we think will interest you alot.
You can mine Zentoshi coins, then use those coins to Stake, and when you have enough you can run a ZentoshiNode. To run your ZentoshiNode you can head over to SunnyNode and get a 20% discount on VPS hosting (as we own our very own hardware) for less than a dollar a month using Zentoshi coins! On top of this as we release more platforms you'll be able to enjoy more utilities, our next one is GSP, which is a gaming server provider.
In terms of our algo, the original Balloon algorithm had some issues, we are using our own modified version of balloon in order to remedy these issues and keep the best parts of balloon.
Join our discord or telegram to keep up to date, we'll be having testnet soon!

That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers

The OP has denied using paid shills, on the contrary claiming he knows nothing about it.

Somehow, according to the OP potential users on Discord and alike might have found their way here. No, I do not believe it as there is no evidence to back it up but there is evidence newbies without posting history pumped this thread before questions about its integrity and viability were raised.

He should have used the opportunity to apologize and admit his error and then promise not to use shills and sock-puppets again but he opted to deny it. That in itself is a major problem because if a project member can lie over something so trivial even in the face mounting evidence and irrefutable evidence then maybe they have been lying about other things and maybe they will lie about others things especially convenient lies when the project goes under and investors lose their funds.

That was their mistake. They should study everything closely, before doing all that shit. Now the reputation of this project is damaged and I highly doubt that anyone will invest here. As you said OP is an amateur and does not understand how to announce the project in the right way. Using shills and shitposters was the biggest mistake, together with hiding team members names. We clarified everything and now it is up to them how to proceed.   
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Now the reputation of this project is damaged and I highly doubt that anyone will invest here. As you said OP is an amateur and does not understand how to announce the project in the right way.
damaged...you guys pointed them to the mistakes they made, the team responds, does something...you sound like you're burying a project that hasn't been born yet.
in any case, the project is under the close supervision of the local guardians of order, but let's be tolerant and do not jump to conclusions.
ps
best wishes
yousr not paid shills thread bumper

Thank you busminer, we're glad you found your way on to our discord, We do not believe our reputation has been damaged in any way shape or form. We advertise on many channels BTT is just one of them, as respect to the tradition of coin announcements we decided to make our debut here and are happy to do so. Some of the constructive criticism has been helpful and I appreciate mosprognoz for helping us better our project by making it more transparent, and keeping a professional demeanor as he engaged in his concerns.


To all our readers
Our company will  be here for the long term. We run based on real platforms, the first thing we accomplished was making SunnyNode sustainable as we were working on the coin, this was the first step we established. We'll continue to release platforms in markets we know we can succeed in using our business expertise, as these platforms generate traffic and add use cases they will provide upward pressure to the coin along with the low supply which will be met with high demand. Furthermore the ones providing value to our coin are our miners. They will always set a baseline to the value of the coin as mining requires power which has a cost, and no miner will sell at a loss. These miners will find themselves at a happy position as they will be supplying our microcosm with the coins to power it. Those with enough coins will run our infrastructure and enjoy a different way of receiving rewards. We aren't a x1000 ROI Masternode shitcoin that is just some fork with no real technology. We're compensating our ZentoshiNodes by using them to run the infrastructure of our platforms, please read more in our whitepaper detailing this technology  Wink

SunnyNode is currently upgrading all of its hardware and negotiating better terms with our data center successfully to be able to offer even cheaper prices but is still generating from just a landing page:


We will happily answer anymore questions and come to our discord or telegram for a welcoming greeting and a friendly environment, we'll be launching testnet soon, all are welcome, I do hope Jolly that you get involved and give us a chance  Grin




In terms of the project being transparent, I have procured a list in hopes to remedy this issue and abide by the unofficial rules listed (I will edit this post and grow it as more of our team members agree to share):
CEO Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-weinrub-851a6b2b/
COO Jonathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-vila-b98a4a159/
Cameron: Twitter is @Yankeeruinx
    Reddit is u/Yankeeruinx
Arcane: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefan-hansen-2ba2479/
Andrew: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-meyer-a4a668197/
Alihan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alihan-%C3%A7elikcan-333544178/
Jerry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremy-vila-62097313a/
Konnov: https://www.linkedin.com/in/konnovdev/
Spencer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/spencer-ford-4a54a3179/
Vijay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijay-bikkina-731664197/
Kinkade: https://www.linkedin.com/in/felix-shikaa-018399162
Laurel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphael-ukinebo-00958587
Kou: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kourosh-tabassi-43b63361/
Johan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johan-andersson-604719197/
In this list you will find top officials in our team, the full marketing team, all chief officers CDO, COO, CEO, CMO, our HR department, and our developers except Barry how refuses to be on socials.
I hope this will put your minds at ease, and we can move forward to questions about the technology or the project itself,

I’ll suggest you go on to update your ANN thread with these information. Anyone visiting you btt thread would like to know these information is available and doesn’t need to read every single comment on the thread to find out.

Next, I’ll suggest you go on with discussions about the project and what you have to offer. Lesson must have been learnt, I hope this turns out as more adverting for you, since you’ve showed yourself to be transparent.

Hello Ning_aric
Thank you for the advice, we have update our ANN thread with these information so anyone visiting our BTT thread will be able to know this,

Zentoshi Team
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November 02, 2019, 10:38:25 PM
Last edit: November 02, 2019, 10:49:25 PM by JollyGood
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Hello Ning_aric
Thank you for the advice, we have update our ANN thread with these information so anyone visiting our BTT thread will be able to know this,

Zentoshi Team
It has been over 24 hours since I informed you the links in the website footer are  incorrect: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5196479.msg52952920#msg52952920

The links that are supposed to be directed to your Privacy Policy which is listed as Policy page and your Terms and Conditions pages do not work.

What is stopping you from not even fixing that essential piece of information?

Links are being diverted to: https://www.cips.org/Documents/Resources/Downloadable documents/CoreClausesBoilerPlate.pdf



Hello Jolly,
As we mentioned, we haven't paid for a single bit of advertising for BTT. We made an announcement on our discord to our community that we posted an ANN thread when we posted it, and we wrote an article on medium, in both of these we told them if they had any questions to ask their. Some of them made their way on to this forum, created accounts and posted their questions, all to which was genuine interest on the project. We're unsure if our community should be excluded from your forum simply because they found the project before you did, but for the most part we were stuck on page 4-8. The only ones who saw us were our community for the majority of the time, until a hero member found us, read our whitepaper and liked it. He bumped our thread which pushed it to page 1, which is when you found it.

Our Medium article, we've posted it a few other places, these people were the first ones to find our BTT, and many made accounts here just to ask questions.

Please we encourage you to read our whitepaper, it seems you are uninformed about major aspects of our project, we are not an ICO. Please continue to read my response to the next post as we will be detailing some of the technology you can take advantage of and how to become a Zentopian  Smiley


Would you encourage people to visit your website at https://www.zentoshi.com to download your whitepaper before or after they can read your privacy policy to understand what you will and will not do with the data you collect about people browsing your website?

And would you encourage people to visit your website at https://www.zentoshi.com to download your whitepaper before or after they can your terms and conditions to understand from a legal perspective exactly who is the owner of the website and who they can seek liabilities from in which jurisdiction if things ever get to a litigation stage?

I only ask about the above because any bonafide genuine LLC or incorporation would have ensured those essential pieces of information were in place long before the website went live.

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So you claim that you are not shilling your Ann, but the moment people started asking about it, newbies suddenly disappeared. How convenient.


I see that you added team members, and one of them is your CMO " Cameron", but without picture at the moment.



His contacts are




Then i saw bitcointalk user Yankeeruinx asking some questions and OP answering. Is it just a coincidence, that your CMO has same twitter and reddit profile name as the bitcointalk user with the same name asking questions in your Ann? After seeing so many shady practices, i don't believe in coincidence.





Also, another proof  that is the same person behind  twitter, reddit and bitcointalk acc is that all those 3 accounts are active on Stakenet social media platforms.

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Stakenet Ann





Then another case of very similar bitcointalk  username as your team member, asking questions, vilajerry5


Your team member Jerry Villa





Care to explain all this?







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Care to explain all this?

Thank you for the excellent post. I look forward to their reply.

..... And after around 36 hours after reporting the ridiculous error in the website footer links, they have been - edited.

What would you think of a website that cannot add terms and conditions as well as privacy policy links and actual legal policies to its own website?

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Care to explain all this?

Thank you for the excellent post. I look forward to their reply.

..... And after around 36 hours after reporting the ridiculous error in the website footer links, they have been - edited.

What would you think of a website that cannot add terms and conditions as well as privacy policy links and actual legal policies to its own website?

Hello Jolly, good afternoon,

Our legal team had until November 7th, that was the deadline we gave them to finish these documents among others for our LLC. I appreciate your patience as if you are a business owner and have created these documents before you might be aware that they aren't just procured in a single day and our team works Monday-Friday. We've turned this into a priority to get fulfilled as soon as possible within next week (Monday-Tuesday). Thank you for your concerns

So you claim that you are not shilling your Ann, but the moment people started asking about it, newbies suddenly disappeared. How convenient.


I see that you added team members, and one of them is your CMO " Cameron", but without picture at the moment.




His contacts are




Then i saw bitcointalk user Yankeeruinx asking some questions and OP answering. Is it just a coincidence, that your CMO has same twitter and reddit profile name as the bitcointalk user with the same name asking questions in your Ann? After seeing so many shady practices, i don't believe in coincidence.





Also, another proof  that is the same person behind  twitter, reddit and bitcointalk acc is that all those 3 accounts are active on Stakenet social media platforms.

Twitter


Reddit


Stakenet Ann





Then another case of very similar bitcointalk  username as your team member, asking questions, vilajerry5


Your team member Jerry Villa





Care to explain all this?








Hello Rikafip,
Cameron who is indeed yankee posted his formal response at your thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198234.0


Neither him nor our developer who we just recently brought on the team are shilling services but team members. They posted genuine questions about the project, our dev posted a question that he thought most people wouldn't know about balloon algo and that he thought we should expand upon. Neither were paid for this and did this out of their own free will,
Hope this clears up some confusion, as I'd like to restate what we previously stated:
We did not pay a cent for any kind of bump or shilling services
There is nothing to hide, as you can tell by their usernames they had no intention to hide the fact that they are team members, nor did we.
Please let us know if you have more questions,
Yours in service,
Zentoshi
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Please see my reply here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5198234.new#new
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So you claim that you are not shilling your Ann, but the moment people started asking about it, newbies suddenly disappeared. How convenient.

I am still here, I have been monitoring this thread to see how the team handled and resolved it. You all have pointed out many concerns and criticisms that seem to hold some validity. I felt that I should withdraw myself for a while until things resolved themselves.
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Keep posting updates and stuff, don't leave the entire thread to one guy's issues.
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Care to explain all this?
Thank you for the excellent post. I look forward to their reply.

..... And after around 36 hours after reporting the ridiculous error in the website footer links, they have been - edited.

What would you think of a website that cannot add terms and conditions as well as privacy policy links and actual legal policies to its own website?

Hello Jolly, good afternoon,

Our legal team had until November 7th, that was the deadline we gave them to finish these documents among others for our LLC. I appreciate your patience as if you are a business owner and have created these documents before you might be aware that they aren't just procured in a single day and our team works Monday-Friday. We've turned this into a priority to get fulfilled as soon as possible within next week (Monday-Tuesday). Thank you for your concerns

Thank you for your reply. Good afternoon to you too.

I find it hard to believe your reasons for effectively launching your website with so many issues regardless of when your project is supposed to go live.

I also find it hard to believe that you cannot explain or justify why sock-puppets accounts (controlled by a paid shills service or otherwise) have miraculously found this thread to ask questions and prompt answers from you followed by another miracle that they stopped posting here as soon as questions of integrity were raised.

When a project has so many issues long before their launch date, it really cannot be taken seriously.


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Care to explain all this?
Thank you for the excellent post. I look forward to their reply.

..... And after around 36 hours after reporting the ridiculous error in the website footer links, they have been - edited.

What would you think of a website that cannot add terms and conditions as well as privacy policy links and actual legal policies to its own website?

Hello Jolly, good afternoon,

Our legal team had until November 7th, that was the deadline we gave them to finish these documents among others for our LLC. I appreciate your patience as if you are a business owner and have created these documents before you might be aware that they aren't just procured in a single day and our team works Monday-Friday. We've turned this into a priority to get fulfilled as soon as possible within next week (Monday-Tuesday). Thank you for your concerns

Thank you for your reply. Good afternoon to you too.

I find it hard to believe your reasons for effectively launching your website with so many issues regardless of when your project is supposed to go live.

I also find it hard to believe that you cannot explain or justify why sock-puppets accounts (controlled by a paid shills or otherwise) have miraculously found this thread to ask questions and prompt answers from you followed by another miracle that they stopped posting here as soon as questions of integrity were raised.

When a project has so many issues long before their launch date, it really cannot be taken seriously.



If you'd like I can explain how I arrived here personally. I have also explained about two lines up where I went when accusations began to fly.
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To be honest I think it’s very simple:

1 - Team page having mandatory social links is not something I have ever been aware of. I have worked for Stakenet for 2 years and I’m not even on the team page there as I have no desire to be in the spotlight and would prefer to be anon, which to be fair is one the the hallmarks of crypto. Certain team members don’t mind however and that’s there choice.

2 - As already stated that the BTT Ann thread was announced on all Zentoshi social channels as going live so of course community members will come and post to show support. I made 2 posts myself, 1 of which was a genuine question at the time however but still I could have easily asked on Discord I suppose.

3 - We are talking about T&C’s in the footer of the website, like seriously scraping the barrel with that one. They have said they will resolve it, it’s the weekend not everyone is at work as people will be spending time with their families and loved ones.

Frankly I find this entire “witch-hunt” for lack of a better term disgusting. I have only been with the team for 2 weeks but there are people that have been working on Zentoshi for well over a year to get it ready for launch. All funded by their own personal finances, there is no ICO or anything like that with which they have raised funds and you come in here with these accusations making huge posts to discredit everything they have worked on.

Sure I guess some mistakes where made with the ANN thread in regards to thread “bumping” rules but that’s like literally it and you are making this molehill into a mountain. They have stated the issues raised will be resolved so no problem.

It’s funny but all of this could have easily been resolved in 5 mins just by joining the Discord or something and talking with the team directly but guess it was “quicker” to make a huge post to try and discredit everything as a giant scam I guess.....
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To be honest I think it’s very simple:

1 - Team page having mandatory social links is not something I have ever been aware of. I have worked for Stakenet for 2 years and I’m not even on the team page there as I have no desire to be in the spotlight and would prefer to be anon, which to be fair is one the the hallmarks of crypto. Certain team members don’t mind however and that’s there choice.
Yes team members not having social media links in not mandatory but it helps in the decision making progress when contemplating if the project is bonafide or not. It was not myself or Rikafip that raised that point, it was another forum member.



2 - As already stated that the BTT Ann thread was announced on all Zentoshi social channels as going live so of course community members will come and post to show support. I made 2 posts myself, 1 of which was a genuine question at the time however but still I could have easily asked on Discord I suppose.
Yet you ask the genuine question here in this forum so you and others could receive the genuine reply but their team expect others to join the Discord to ask genuine questions that concern them?



3 - We are talking about T&C’s in the footer of the website, like seriously scraping the barrel with that one. They have said they will resolve it, it’s the weekend not everyone is at work as people will be spending time with their families and loved ones.
The fact that you have trivialised such an essential aspect of the trust building exercise by mentioning 'T&C’s in the footer of the website, like seriously scraping the barrel with that one' in the condescending manner you opted shows attempt at part misdirection and part ignorance on your part. It took around 36 hours from me informing them that the two essential policies links in the footer of their website were being diverted to a boiler plate PDF document.

I completely reject the notion that 'They have said they will resolve it, it’s the weekend not everyone is at work as people will be spending time with their families and loved ones' because that is the last thing any serious project would push out.

The links now point to zentoshi.com rather than https://www.cips.org/Documents/Resources/Downloadable documents/CoreClausesBoilerPlate.pdf and it took them around 36 hours just to do that.



Frankly I find this entire “witch-hunt” for lack of a better term disgusting. I have only been with the team for 2 weeks but there are people that have been working on Zentoshi for well over a year to get it ready for launch. All funded by their own personal finances, there is no ICO or anything like that with which they have raised funds and you come in here with these accusations making huge posts to discredit everything they have worked on.
There is no witch-hunt but there is a common misconception on part of those promoting this project just like others have promoted other projects in the past and that is they believe they are due some sort of respect or acknowledgement for the work and efforts they have allegedly put in to their project along with the alleged financial funds they have spent to get to the stage they are at.

In respect to this project, if things ever take off and this project ever goes live there are funds that are pre-mined. In any case this team has not exactly done this community or the wider crypto-world any favours by intending to release their project so they should not be expecting any congratulations, thanks or acknowledgement.







Sure I guess some mistakes where made with the ANN thread in regards to thread “bumping” rules but that’s like literally it and you are making this molehill into a mountain. They have stated the issues raised will be resolved so no problem.
The bumping or posting by a member that has some history in this forum is not an issue but when newbies flood any thread it raises questions.

Instead of answering these very important question it raises more questions when the team behind the project decide claim some of their loyal Discord users who are not familiar with this forum decided to visit here to ask questions when users from this forum are being told to join their Discord to ask questions so things can be cleared up in 5 minutes.

It is the lack of transparency that the team are providing that fuels the questions and might give the impression of making mountains out of molehills for those that do not want to clearly and definitively answer questions.



It’s funny but all of this could have easily been resolved in 5 mins just by joining the Discord or something and talking with the team directly but guess it was “quicker” to make a huge post to try and discredit everything as a giant scam I guess.....
There is nothing funny about this situation and why on earth would people from this forum feel the need to join the Discord of a project just to ask questions when it was the project team that decided to use this forum to make announcements about there up and coming project? That is not how things work.

And as for calling it a scam, I explicitly made a post stating I cannot call it a scam and that view remains until I see something that makes me change my mind. What I do see is a team of dreamers that are way out of their depth and their incompetence will contribute to the failure of any achievable goals they might have.



I find your take on this situation extremely disturbing, you have followed the same defensive attitude that their official user account has used but on your part that is simply because you have a vested interest in this project and you are part of the team.



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November 03, 2019, 03:41:25 PM
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I advised OP to update the thread with links to team members social media profiles provided by him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5196479.msg52959117#msg52959117

But nothing was done. And one more question. What is the total supply of coins and how big is the premine? Nobody is accusing your project of being a scam. We are just trying to help you with a proper presentation of it. Advises are not scam accusations. But unfortunately you are ignoring all our efforts.
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