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October 31, 2019, 06:42:49 PM
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When I initially applied for being the merit source to support my local board, none were really aware that there was already a merit source dedicated for my local board since they were really very busy with their real life and haven't logged in the forum for quite some time. Probably around August - September this year, they became active after a 8 month long inactivity time frame and have confirmed that they were indeed a source but had been allocated negligible source merits each month. They were really a great poster, but once I got to know about they being a source I thought of taking back my application, but considering their inactivity I have once again started bumping it back to support the fellow forum members. My smerits are not really enough and I have been too stingy in giving away my smerits.

Quite a handful of them have ranked up (from Newbie - Full Member) solely by posting in my local board and when they didn't receive enough merits I recommended their topic to the merit sources. Since for majority of the time we speak only English throughout the country as well as in the forum, merit sources and global moderators find it easy to merit the worthy posts as well as handle my reports. English is the only primary reason that we are still functioning as a better non-spammy board even without any help from theymos either for the appointment of a merit source or for the appointment of the moderator.

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October 31, 2019, 07:35:23 PM
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I can see some have applied in 2018 February, why can't these people be informed that they are basically rejected? For whatever reasons. No need to keep them hanging and waiting around for more than a year. Specially speaking of Pugman and Alex_Sr.

I am not sure if they are already a MS, if they are then my rant is useless.

Beyond that Meriting low ranked users has increasingly been becoming a tough job that even the moderators are not doing diligently these days.

I get it, I only said in the past that "Getting Merit isn't a right, it's a privilege" - but right now its becoming a circle-jerking club.



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October 31, 2019, 07:49:12 PM
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I can see some have applied in 2018 February, why can't these people be informed that they are basically rejected? For whatever reasons. No need to keep them hanging and waiting around for more than a year. Specially speaking of Pugman and Alex_Sr.

I am not sure if they are already a MS, if they are then my rant is useless.

Beyond that Meriting low ranked users has increasingly been becoming a tough job that even the moderators are not doing diligently these days.

I get it, I only said in the past that "Getting Merit isn't a right, it's a privilege" - but right now its becoming a circle-jerking club.




Low rank members have got the short end of the stick. undoubtedly. More than Heros like us.
I've seen some times merit is passed around among high ranking accounts when they have already reached the topmost levels of their accounts.

What's sad is they're doing it by posting memes and jokes while the low rank members are making really unique posts.
Yet they're either getting bogged down by negligence, ignorance, or by signature spammers.





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October 31, 2019, 08:04:06 PM
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This list will definitely increase best candidates chances and forum admin could check all open applications easily here. Best part is that old application's will also come under selection process again. It will be much easier for theymos to pick best applicants one by one from the list. Hopefully we will get more new merit sources soon who will encourage quality posters by giving a good amount of merit.
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October 31, 2019, 08:22:06 PM
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This list will definitely increase best candidates chances and forum admin could check all open applications easily here. Best part is that old application's will also come under selection process again. It will be much easier for theymos to pick best applicants one by one from the list. Hopefully we will get more new merit sources soon who will encourage quality posters by giving a good amount of merit.

For old applications, if theymos had to pick, he would have done so already. No need for him to wait 1 year. And 1 year old applications are irrelevant by now as well. Alex and Pugman, if they are not merit sources yet, should make new applications.




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November 01, 2019, 04:08:10 AM
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This list will definitely increase best candidates chances and forum admin could check all open applications easily here. Best part is that old application's will also come under selection process again. It will be much easier for theymos to pick best applicants one by one from the list. Hopefully we will get more new merit sources soon who will encourage quality posters by giving a good amount of merit.
If the forum and the merit system have worked and supported each other well enough since late of the January of 2018, I don't think we really need more merit sources. More sources is good but not vital thing to maintain the forum's and the merit system's performance.

Recent months, I have seen very little complaints on users who got troubles with the merit system and unable to rank up just because lack of merit sources.

Merit sources do boost post quality of some users and do not affect post quality of others. I meant post quality depends mainly on users themselves and not depends on the merit system or any merit source or how many merit sources the forum has in total.

Shit posters or bounty reporters are among types of users who do not affect by the merit system and merit sources. They are kind of unchangeable users who don't care anything (post quality, rank, total merit sources, their potential to earn merits) except their daily/ weekly annoying bounty reports.




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November 01, 2019, 04:38:48 AM
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I've seen some times merit is passed around among high ranking accounts when they have already reached the topmost levels of their accounts.

We have debated this topic severally and the stats shows, lower ranked users are those getting the fairest share of the merit system. Most of the high merited members you see now were once lower ranked users and merit earned contributed to our ranking up. When you see one or two merit given to legendary or hero member you don't consider that a waste especially as every rank deserve to be merited for their post quality. Every rank gets merited for funny memes at time not just legendary accounts.

I earned more merit as a lower ranked users compared to now that I'm a higher ranked user. That along should give you an idea, generally people tend to merit lower ranked users more but it's up to this guys to put in efforts into constructing their posts and contribution positively and I'm quite positive they won't go unnoticed.

I can see some have applied in 2018 February, why can't these people be informed that they are basically rejected? For whatever reasons. No need to keep them hanging and waiting around for more than a year.

It's not mandatory to make a new application but they can try that, @Coolcryptovator did exactly that and it worked for him since your timing could be a key factor to influence theymos's decision making. That their applications hasn't been accepted doesn't automatically means they're less qualifed to be source since most of them are quite quality contributors.




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November 01, 2019, 05:34:34 AM
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This list will definitely increase best candidates chances and forum admin could check all open applications easily here. Best part is that old application's will also come under selection process again. It will be much easier for theymos to pick best applicants one by one from the list. Hopefully we will get more new merit sources soon who will encourage quality posters by giving a good amount of merit.
If the forum and the merit system have worked and supported each other well enough since late of the January of 2018, I don't think we really need more merit sources. More sources is good but not vital thing to maintain the forum's and the merit system's performance.

Recent months, I have seen very little complaints on users who got troubles with the merit system and unable to rank up just because lack of merit sources.

Merit sources do boost post quality of some users and do not affect post quality of others. I meant post quality depends mainly on users themselves and not depends on the merit system or any merit source or how many merit sources the forum has in total.

Shit posters or bounty reporters are among types of users who do not affect by the merit system and merit sources. They are kind of unchangeable users who don't care anything (post quality, rank, total merit sources, their potential to earn merits) except their daily/ weekly annoying bounty reports.
Merit source in each local boards is beneficial if "ranking members" will be the basis. Base on my observations, our local board, "Pilipinas," has a lot of merit activity. Because each local member is supporting each other and we have our own merit source, which is Cabalism13, He is good in terms of giving merit in our local members.

And again, based on my observation. Other international boards have a small merit activity, I think we need to boost the merit source assignments in terms of boards. The local community is beneficial if you want to rank up and gain some merits (for me). Still, other boards seem to be a lack of members giving merits. I think that is our problem right now.

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November 01, 2019, 07:07:45 AM
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And again, based on my observation. Other international boards have a small merit activity, I think we need to boost the merit source assignments in terms of boards. The local community is beneficial if you want to rank up and gain some merits (for me). Still, other boards seem to be a lack of members giving merits. I think that is our problem right now.

@Cabalism13 is one of the local merit sources with one of the biggest monthly allocation (100 smerit) that's why your local board is very active in regards to him meriting you guys. Most local sources don't have as much. In as much as I buy into the idea of supporting local boards I don't think we should turn those boards into merit farming grounds where native users just use to rank up.

We have recieved numerous report on the forum of favoritism been the order of the day in most of these local board, which is then used to increase their voting power to elect DT members etc until that can be put under controlled, giving more power might just be a wrong move.




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November 01, 2019, 07:19:53 AM
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Merit source in each local boards is beneficial if "ranking members" will be the basis. Base on my observations, our local board, "Pilipinas," has a lot of merit activity. Because each local member is supporting each other and we have our own merit source, which is Cabalism13, He is good in terms of giving merit in our local members.
We've had some discussion about the merit distribution in our local board before. Before the cryptotalk campaign where many high ranked members woke up and became active again, merits coming from the local community were not that high. Without other merit sources like Darkstar_ who frequently visits our local board before, we would not be exceeding a hundred per week.  

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November 01, 2019, 07:24:15 AM
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Thanks @Vispilio and @iasenko.
Yes this is my Merit source application:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183702.0

Added, I see you edited your subject, now it look more like application Smiley

You can remove me from the list, I don't want to be a merit source any longer and as such I did not proceed with my application thread (will archive it now, thanks).

No problem, removed.

Suggestions:
1.Sort by date of applications
2.Collection of 10 Posts if achieved or not. (Ex. Hhampuz haven't started a single thing on his own application until now, so 10 posts has not been filled yet)

Its also necessary IMO. That's all.

🤔🤨 I thought Hhampuz, pugman and bitmover was already a Source?...

Sorted by date of application. If I see another application (like Hhampuz's one) I will add the additional column with status.

OP updated.

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November 01, 2019, 07:30:20 AM
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@Cabalism13 is one of the local merit sources with one of the biggest monthly allocation (100 smerit) that's why your local board is very active in regards to him meriting you guys.
Can't deny the fact that our board is really in need of Merits just to be active. Majority of users there, are crypto earners and the ranking system together with the Merit system limits them to get the priviledge of earning. This forum have served many people already, it also helped most users. Now that I'm here, a Source, I would like to help users who are quite good enough to contribute on our board especially on this forum, Several minutes ago I helped a user to rank up from Member to Full Member.

100 sMerits isn't that large AFAIK, its just that there are already a number of you guys who are a Merit Source for the whole community, and IMO, that's the reason why the admin can't adjust the allocations of every Source. In my case, I already made a 2nd attempt for an increase of sMerits, for I know to myself I already did my job on my local. Still waiting for an opportunity to have an increase.

I was too lazy these past few days I ended up not using 30 of my sMerits and just used it all now. It's not a smart way of using it but still I know that the users who received it truly deserves it. Though I rarely give on some other Boards.

Enough sMerits?
-Yes
Then users will do their best to make an activity and somewhat contribute to a thread that makes them earn some.
Then comes with a payment where users joined a bounty.
Then an endless cycle of Merits

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I suppose that individual considerations of Merit Source (MS) applications are taking a lot of time from admins. It seems to me that this is an inefficient way and automatic approach can be more optimal.

For example, the user could independently choose to be a MS in the profile, if fulfil the following requirements:
- rank from Sr. Member;
- has more than 500 received merit from 20 members or above;
- has more than 250 sent merit to 10 members or above (not counting members, from which the user got merit);
- has less than 5 sendable merit.

These conditions are intended to minimize the risk of abuses by chosen MS.



I also think it would be convenient if there will be a button in the profiles to decline to be a MS.

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November 01, 2019, 01:42:30 PM
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I suppose that individual considerations of Merit Source (MS) applications are taking a lot of time from admins. It seems to me that this is an inefficient way and automatic approach can be more optimal.

It's taking time because from theymos's view the forums doesn't need more sources or smerits. When the forum is in need of those, theymos doesn't waste any second to appoint new sources. The individual consideration give theymos and other forum users an idea on what the applicates consider to be a quality posts (that's why you're mandated to qoute 10 quality posts, probably lacking or don't have enough merit.

It also opens the users merit sending history to the public for review. In general this current method gives the community a voice to air their opinion on who should be or shouldn't be a source based on their meriting record and other forum contribution although theymos makes the final decision. The automatic system will take out the transpirancy and fun out of merit source application.




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November 01, 2019, 01:49:19 PM
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It's taking time because from theymos's view the forums doesn't need more sources or smerits. When the forum is in need of those, theymos doesn't waste any second to appoint new sources. The individual consideration give theymos and other forum users an idea on what the applicates consider to be a quality posts (that's why you're mandated to qoute 10 quality posts, probably lacking or don't have enough merit.
Exactly. Its not like theymos hasn't seen these applications, but there currently isn't a need or the candidate isn't well suited. Only theymos knows all the little bits of criteria that needs to be filled, and the only one with the tools to monitor the merit situation. Theymos is extremely active, and every time I've had an interaction with him there's been a response within 12 hours. That's going back a number of years, and of course my merit source application a year or so ago.

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November 01, 2019, 02:25:24 PM
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AFAIK, @Coolcryptovator is now a merit source.
I think you're correct.
Just for confirmation, almost 5 months back I become merit source.

I know at least one member, Jet Cash, expressed much frustration at being a merit source and seemed to be losing enthusiasm for the position. 
LOL, second that. I have seen so many merit post by Jet Cash regarding merit, how should spent, where to spent, that guy deserve or not and so on. That's the reason why theymos should choose merit sources from active member and who are enough friendly to spend their smerit rather than  expressed  frustration.


Good job OP, most of applicant deserve merit source in my opinion. But it would not happen instantly. I had waited more then six months. I strongly believe most of from the list will be on merit source today or tomorrow.

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November 04, 2019, 10:51:01 AM
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Weekly bump.

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Also some good source candidates !

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Also some good source candidates !

20895 merit per 30 days between all of the merit sources looks to be a good amount of sMerit to distribute. More than enough to rank up 41 hero members or 83 sr members per month. Making it too easy for members to get merit would render the merit system ineffective at what it was brought in for.
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Also some good source candidates !

20895 merit per 30 days between all of the merit sources looks to be a good amount of sMerit to distribute. More than enough to rank up 41 hero members or 83 sr members per month. Making it too easy for members to get merit would render the merit system ineffective at what it was brought in for.

There's scope for re allocating existing merits between sources. Many sources are struggling to get their sMerit stash depleted, whilst others, like micgooossens are always thriving for more merits.

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