[LIST]Open Merit Source Applications,waiting list.

[JayJuanGee]

Wondering if there is a new "methodology" to determine new Merit Source allocation (some kind of bakward looking average), and consequently determine if a Merit Source is still a valid one (and hence if new are needed), or it was just a "reaction" to what apparently was an extemporaneous "imbalance".

The PM had the word "automatically" in it, whatever that means. It could be an automatic scheduled process, or perhaps more likely it's an automatic adjustment that he can run manually once every few months. The adjustment seems to target a certain value, which appears to be 20k-22k total source merits. Inactive sources are removed, and the remaining ones get an adjustment based proportionally on how many sMerits they sent in the recent months.

The bottom line is - send all your sMerits out every month. That has always been the goal but now there is an added incentive (or disincentive if you're sick of sourcing).

I understood the concept of "automatically" as a one-time running of an algorithm that theymos had created (or he could have had someone else create it). 

Whether theymos chooses to systematically run that same algorithm or a some similar algorithm in the future would be completely discretionary on his part.  To me, theymos seems to be a kind of "wait and see" kind of guy who would not necessarily want to lock himself into running something so disruptive as this on a regular basis (or in a Turing complete kind of way... hahahha... get rid of all the humans, even himself), and for me, the use of the term "automatically" does not imply with any kind of conviction that theymos is planning to run that same algorithm beyond this one time adjustment that he had decided was reasonable/prudent to run at this particular time.

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[TheBeardedBaby]

There is one more confirmation from today - Alex_Sr  with a monthly allocation of <removed> source merit > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4213877.msg53103042#msg53103042
Congrats.
Some of the other applicants seem to be not so active lately and I assume their applications are still open.

By the way, didn't I see that you, iasenko, are not yet a merit source?  You should probably apply, since you have been very good at providing good information to the forum and also filtering through information in order to help others to discern the difference between good and bad posts, so might as well add yourself to the group of merit source applicants, if you have not already done so.

No, I'm not a merit source, I actually manage to have enough earned merit to be able to distribute them almost without interruption, of course when I'm not that active there were a few times I ran out of smerit for week or two but again, all it's up to how active you are on the forum.
Regarding the Merit Source application, if I run out complete out of sMerit then I'll probably apply for one, if they don't implement the Report to Merit source button before that.

[fillippone]

There is one more confirmation from today - Alex_Sr  with a monthly allocation of <removed> source merit > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4213877.msg53103042#msg53103042
Congrats.

What's the policy for disclosing such informations?
Usually MS have been quite retinent disclosing their allowance, I only heard about vague indications when asked, or describing only percentage change referencing to theymos doing some allowance review.
Asking for a friend.

[bitmover]

There is one more confirmation from today - Alex_Sr  with a monthly allocation of ******** source merit

WTF! I thought I was a big merit source with *** smerits monthly allocation!!
 

lol. Still trying to find posts to spend them.

[TheBeardedBaby]

There is one more confirmation from today - Alex_Sr  with a monthly allocation of <removed> source merit > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4213877.msg53103042#msg53103042
Congrats.

What's the policy for disclosing such informations?
Usually MS have been quite retinent disclosing their allowance, I only heard about vague indications when asked, or describing only percentage change referencing to theymos doing some allowance review.
Asking for a friend.

There is one more confirmation from today - Alex_Sr  with a monthly allocation of <removed> source merit

WTF! I thought I was a big merit source with 150 smerits monthly allocation!!
 

lol. Still trying to find posts to spend them.

Maybe I shouldn't have posted the montly allocation even though Alex_sr have stated it in his post, I don't want to start fights between the sources and theymos. Maybe that's why everyone was keeping quiet about it. I think I should keep it that way and remove the amount of smerit.
Sorry guys.

@bitmover, @fillippone, @Alex_sr,
Please remove the stated smerit amount from your posts,.
We already have enough drama, we do not need more.

[bitmover]

Maybe I shouldn't have posted the montly allocation even though Alex_sr have stated it in his post, I don't want to start fights between the sources and theymos. Maybe that's why everyone was keeping quiet about it. I think I should keep it that way and remove the amount of smerit.
Sorry guys.

All this information is public iasenko
Just look here and you will see who has more sMerits to give as a source, and who are the sources:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend

Even if theymos removed those links, there would still be users who like to deal with data, statistics and whatsover and would generate this data and post here.

Edit: I understand your worries about the drama, but I think there won't be much drama.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Maybe I shouldn't have posted the montly allocation even though Alex_sr have stated it in his post, I don't want to start fights between the sources and theymos. Maybe that's why everyone was keeping quiet about it. I think I should keep it that way and remove the amount of smerit.
Sorry guys.

All this information is public iasenko
Just look here and you will see who has more sMerits to give as a source, and who are the sources:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend

Even if theymos removed those links, there would still be users who like to deal with data, statistics and whatsover and would generate this data and post here.

Edit: I understand your worries about the drama, but I think there won't be much drama.

You can't be 100% sure even if you have all the stats. First you don't know if the users are emptying their source merit or sending earned merit as well. You don't know how much merit is left after those 30 days. You can't get the clear picture, you can only assume, which assumption will be probably close to the reality but still... I don't want to make people feel bad about something I stated in my posts... #spreadlove

[fillippone]

@bitmover, @fillippone, @Alex_sr,
Please remove the stated smerit amount from your posts,.
We already have enough drama, we do not need more.

Done, but I still can read something on your quoted message!

[theymos]

Merit sources are free to reveal their source amounts, though I think it may be a bit unwise. While it will eventually become obvious roughly what the source amounts are from the stats, there's a huge difference between showing up in a "list of probable merit sources" and having a quote out there of you basically saying "I'm a merit source, come beg me for merit, complain about every merit I send, and accuse me of being part of the anti-X/pro-Y conspiracy."

[davis196]

What is a merit source applicant?I guy,who receives merit and redistributes it across the community?
Is it kinda pointless to apply for such "position"?If you have sMerit,just spend it on some HQ posts.

[DdmrDdmr]

What is a merit source applicant?I guy,who receives merit and redistributes it across the community?
Is it kinda pointless to apply for such "position"?If you have sMerit,just spend it on some HQ posts.

Nothing pointless to it. If there were no Merit Sources, the halving (2 received Merits generate 1 sMerit) would eventually lead to there being no sMerits to hand out (at least for the core engine of the Merit System). Applicants are volunteers that allow the system to keep running, and not lead to a stall due to what I mentioned first.

[hd49728]

The basic deflation scheme of merits (halve each distribution) is only one of reasons for potential stall.
The changes of activity or inactivity of users is another reason. Ones can earn lots of merits and have lots of smerits to send but what if that user turn into inactive (abandon the forum, inactively for long period, months or years; or ends with death). Merit pool will naturally dry out without merit sources.

Merit sources serve another role. They play as source of merits for good posters, not all users. Theymos does not want to do a second merit airdrop to all users, including many shitposters.

[Kalemder]

I think, active local sections deserve more sources. More sources are needed to make more objective judgments. We think that the number of smerit allocated to the Turkish section is very small. There should be more choice among active members. In this way, we get away from being subjective. Objective distribution becomes.

I can volunteer for that.
In addition, the Turkish section has many valuable and active  members. They deserve to be the Merit Source. They may be reluctant to apply. They're too modest.:
@PHI1618, @AlyattesLydia, @wolwoo, @gospodin, @dannybrown.

Thank you @Theymos.

[LoyceV]

Merit sources are free to reveal their source amounts, though I think it may be a bit unwise. While it will eventually become obvious roughly what the source amounts are from the stats, there's a huge difference between showing up in a "list of probable merit sources" and having a quote out there of you basically saying "I'm a merit source, come beg me for merit, complain about every merit I send, and accuse me of being part of the anti-X/pro-Y conspiracy."

I've had very few people beg for Merit, and I've made it clear I'm a source for more than a year and a half now. The funny ones also ask if they can buy my account
Accusations aren't really a problem either, I've seen only a few occasions in which someone questioned the Merit I sent, and although I know I don't have to explain myself, I don't mind doing so either.

[fillippone]

The funny ones also ask if they can buy my account

I think everything has a price.
And, given your very well knwon position, in a short period of time you could easily build a new account, with all the included benefits.

[JayJuanGee]

The basic deflation scheme of merits (halve each distribution) is only one of reasons for potential stall.
The changes of activity or inactivity of users is another reason. Ones can earn lots of merits and have lots of smerits to send but what if that user turn into inactive (abandon the forum, inactively for long period, months or years; or ends with death). Merit pool will naturally dry out without merit sources.

Merit sources serve another role. They play as source of merits for good posters, not all users. Theymos does not want to do a second merit airdrop to all users, including many shitposters.

You know  had considered the 10 year art contest to serve as a kind of merit airdrop for artist wannabes.  Did not really matter too much even if you had good art, as long as you showed some decent efforts, then you received merits in that contest.  Furthermore, I am not sure if the reallocation of active merit sources by 175% during mid-November was a quasi-genius move, but such reallocation (largely an increase of sm for the most active of merit sources) surely allowed some merit sources to splurge a bit in their own sending out of smerits, including splurging in such 10-year art contest to be received by those therein active members willing to put some efforts into making a submission within that thread.

Merit sources are free to reveal their source amounts, though I think it may be a bit unwise. While it will eventually become obvious roughly what the source amounts are from the stats, there's a huge difference between showing up in a "list of probable merit sources" and having a quote out there of you basically saying "I'm a merit source, come beg me for merit, complain about every merit I send, and accuse me of being part of the anti-X/pro-Y conspiracy."

I've had very few people beg for Merit, and I've made it clear I'm a source for more than a year and a half now. The funny ones also ask if they can buy my account
Accusations aren't really a problem either, I've seen only a few occasions in which someone questioned the Merit I sent, and although I know I don't have to explain myself, I don't mind doing so either.

You are the gold standard, Loyce.

Most of us mere mortals can only aspire to such, and never really reach it.  #nohomo.   

Kind of like  nullius or satoshi.... .. but you are actually a so-far non-disappearing living example.. hopefully, I am not jinxing this.  (not that I am superstitious)....

The funny ones also ask if they can buy my account

I think everyhing has a price.
And, given your very well knwon position, in a short period of time you could easily build a new account, with all the included benefits.

Say it isn't so...  I would like to wish and hope that everything DOES NOT have a price, but surely even such seemingly perfection like nullius was tricked by alia... so there is that.   

[tbct_mt2]

The funny ones also ask if they can buy my account

If you sell your account and one buy it, the forum community will realize it shortly. Beyond the writing style, the buyer will be unable to keep update your useful data and your lists.

Yes, that is a very funny deal that one had.   

[Kalemder]

iasenko - Merit Source Application
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214512.0
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[TheBeardedBaby]

iasenko - Merit Source Application
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214512.0
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Thank you, I'll update the OP as well.

Wondering what happen with the other applications. If they got approved. Anyway I'll update the OP with the active ones from this year.


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[AakZaki]

If I may appoint someone on the local Indonesian board who might be able to become a Source of Merit, I will appoint roycilik he is active every day.
Since there is a Merit source member from Indonesia who has been inactive for a long time pandukelana2712 maybe he can switch his position to roycilik

Because it is unfortunate that someone who is a source of Merit but does not do his job properly.