{LIST}of the Merit Sources asking for more smerit. New Round.

[El duderino_]

[DdmrDdmr]

Just though I’d drop a graphical image of the meriting trends of each of the forum members listed in the OP. I’ve narrowed it down to 2019:



Flatter line segments mean low or out of sMerit (or taking a break).

Note: Logically we cannot discern which awarded sMerits are from the Merit Source pool, and which come from earned merit halving as sMerits.

Mmmm the greens look a like on my screen  

Not great with colours myself (being colour-blind). The system chose the colours. From top to bottom (looking at the right-hand side extremes): EFTbitcoin, micgoossens, hugeblack, o_e_l_e_o, The Pharmacist, CryptopreneurBrainboss, Vispilio.

It may be easier to visualize on the Dashboard itself (hover over a line to get info -> username, date and number of accumulated sMerits):
https://public.tableau.com/shared/35JZZGPW8?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link

[El duderino_]

Mmmm the greens look a like on my screen 

[Daniel91]

At the moment I'm only merit source in Croatian section of the forum and have only 25 sMerits available to give monthly.

I don't understand Croatian. But I just checked Croatian board.
I don't think you need more sMerits. Because very few posts are made in this board. While today is November 6, there are only 9 threads at the first page of the board which their last post are made in November. The last post of the last thread of the first page has been made on August 26. So, I don't think Croatian board is that active and there is no need to more sMerits.

I think that I was clear enough but if not I will explain again.
I don't ask for merits only because of Croatian section and local Croatian users (in fact most posts from Croatian users I reward with sMerits  in English part of the forum ).
I ask for more merits so that I can reward good quality posts in English part of the forum (posts from all users not just Croats).
Because I don’t have enough sMerits I can't reward all good quality posts I find on the forum.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Months ago, maybe in late of 2018 or very early months of 2019, one or two merit sources removed and all merits sent from them reverted by theymos. This change created messy situation on merit data (negative merits, something like that), and some forum stats analysers, @DdmrDdmr or @LoyceV can confirm and point out past posts related to this issue.

Firstly in October last year, QuestionAuthority was removed as a merit source for giving out 30 merit at a time to anyone who asked for it, but these merits were not reversed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5050263.msg47050953#msg47050953

Then in February of this year, stingers was removed as a merit source and since he was trying to cheat the trust system effectively had the recent merits he had sent nullified by theymos sending out an equivalent amount of negative merits: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg49603204#msg49603204

[LoyceV]

It's better if a post as member is merit worthy to send at least 2merit, he will generate a Smerit himself what is good for further distribution and in order to rank up a bit.

I disagree. I'd love to send more than one merit at a time to some posts and users, but since my sMerits are always so limited, if my choice is between sending one merit to two different posts, or sending two merits to one post and none to the second post, then I'm usually going to choose to send one merit to each.

Here I disagree, I like to encourage people to use the merit system where its made for and not post multiple post only to gain merit because its so hard to get some Smerit when a person isn't a source.....

I do understand your opion of-course, but this statement of me only reflects why its needed to have a bigger stash as a source!

I'm with o_e_l_e_o on this one: as long as I don't have a bigger source amount, I try to distribute my sMerit to as many posts as I can.

I can see from your (micgoossens') sMerit distribution that for months in a row you're out of sMerit before the end of the month:

Merit sent by micgoossens (Trust list) from January 24, 2018 until November 01, 2019 (source)

Months ago, maybe in late of 2018 or very early months of 2019, one or two merit sources removed and all merits sent from them reverted by theymos. This change created messy situation on merit data (negative merits, something like that), and some forum stats analysers, @DdmrDdmr or @LoyceV can confirm and point out past posts related to this issue.

See:

Merit sent by deMerit (Bitcoin Forum) from January 24, 2018 until November 01, 2019 (source)

    16. Tue Feb  5 23:07:11 2019: -2 (-104) to cryptohunter (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
    15. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -5 (-102) to peloso (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
    14. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -2 (-97) to Deena (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
    13. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -9 (-95) to hoop (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
    12. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -1 (-86) to Rmcdermott927 (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
    11. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -9 (-85) to TheCoinFinder (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
    10. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -7 (-76) to Tupsu (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
     9. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -8 (-69) to LiQio (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
     8. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -2 (-61) to mich (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
     7. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -10 (-59) to Quickseller (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
     6. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -10 (-49) to TECSHARE (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
     5. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -10 (-39) to gwsukabokepjepang (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
     4. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -4 (-29) to Bazinga442 (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
     3. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -10 (-25) to Thule (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
     2. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -10 (-15) to cryptohunter (Trust list) (history) for deleted post
     1. Tue Feb  5 23:07:10 2019: -5 (-5) to H8bussesNbicycles (Trust list) (history) for deleted post

As for myself: I don't feel like I need a larger source amount, but I wouldn't mind having to give more either. I try to keep my source amount as close to zero as possible, and I still have quite a decent amount of "my own" sMerits left. But it's less than 10% of the amount of sMerit I've sent in total. If my source would double, that would effectively mean I'll have to double the amount I send per post. If that's something theymos is interested in considering the posts I've Merited, I'd welcome an increase.

[Last of the V8s]

The system chose the colours.

This is very sad-making. We must rise up against our software overlords.

Because I don’t have enough sMerits I can't reward all good quality posts I find on the forum.

This is very sad-making. We must rise up against our merit-source-allocating overlords.

Seriously now, there does seem to be a level of angst about this. Maybe theymos is waiting to see how the art thread pans out, with his encouragement to splurge out merit there, but I for one would love to hear his thoughts fairly soon on whether or not there's enough merit in the economy. Perhaps though his silence on the issue is telling.

[cabalism13]

Requesting to be added on the list.
I'm currently saving all the sMerits right now, I really doubt I still have the same 100 sMerits, its also too slow on getting back, I feel like it is back on 50. Been saving it all up this past few days so I won't run out. Am not a good topic starter so earning Merits to get sMerits wouldn't be possible.

I wonder if I can have another increase even if its already gonna be the last. I will accept whatever amount of increase that will be given to me for the last time.

I try to keep my source amount as close to zero as possible,...

I really thought that you have almost the same amount as the others like DarkStar_ and suchmoon

[DarkStar_]

I'm currently saving all the sMerits right now, I really doubt I still have the same 100 sMerits, its also too slow on getting back, I feel like it is back on 50.

Why save? Source sMerits come back 30 days after you spend them. By saving them, you'll be sending less merit overall so there's not much point. Your source size is probably still the same.

[cabalism13]

...

Why save?

Just made a computation, I will only be distributing 3 sMerits per day. So I will start by now, and by that, means the ones I'll be getting will be saved for later use.

You are a merit source. The next 23 merit you spend will come from your source rather than your sMerit balance. Merit spent from your source will come back in 30 days. Unused source merit is wasted. It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit.

I still have 1 for today, and I think it should be good instead of waiting. So everyday I get sMerits to give.

[LoyceV]

I try to keep my source amount as close to zero as possible,...

I really thought that you have almost the same amount as the others like DarkStar_ and suchmoon

I get 400 source Merits per month. Based on Most generous recent merit senders, I guess suchmoon has around 1200, and DarkStar_ 200. It could be more, if they don't empty it.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I’m always out so you can add me to the list needing more please ———>

[El duderino_]

...

Why save?

Just made a computation, I will only be distributing 3 sMerits per day. So I will start by now, and by that, means the ones I'll be getting will be saved for later use.

You are a merit source. The next 23 merit you spend will come from your source rather than your sMerit balance. Merit spent from your source will come back in 30 days. Unused source merit is wasted. It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit.

I still have 1 for today, and I think it should be good instead of waiting. So everyday I get sMerits to give.

Don't calculate out what to send when ... just send when its due ... if its empty then its not your fault, but the systems fault of not providing a good daily active merit sender with a bigger allocation.

But saving up the merits is flaw as well.

[LoyceV]

Don't calculate out what to send when ... just send when its due ... if its empty then its not your fault, but the systems fault of not providing a good daily active merit sender with a bigger allocation.

At the start of this year, my source amount was doubled (to 400), and at that moment it was reset to the full amount too. I tried to spend it evenly through the month so that it comes back evenly the next month too. It doesn't always work, if I'm inactive for a few days it goes up, and the next month it doesn't get replenished for a few days, but on most days it's pretty steady.
So if I spend about 15-20 sMerit per day (including the ones I earn myself), my source stays close to empty, while I'm never out of sMerit if I see a couple of posts that deserve more.

[TheBeardedBaby]

The list is updated, I have not so much time today, so if I missed someone, please shoot me a PM or post here.

Today is my Second Birthday in the Forum woohoo:)

[El duderino_]

The list is updated, I have not so much time today, so if I missed someone, please shoot me a PM or post here.

Today is my Second Birthday in the Forum woohoo:)

Missed LFC_bitcoin

[TheBeardedBaby]

Thanks guys, I was on the road almost the whole day yesterday, so I had some small breaks to read the forum, but for 5 min, you can't really read deeply trough.
Anyway, sorry LFC_bitcoin, now you are on the list.
Updated!

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Thanks guys, I was on the road almost the whole day yesterday, so I had some small breaks to read the forum, but for 5 min, you can't really read deeply trough.
Anyway, sorry LFC_bitcoin, now you are on the list.
Updated!

Don’t apologise my friend & thanks

[hugeblack]

I get 400 source Merits per month. Based on Most generous recent merit senders, I guess suchmoon has around 1200, and DarkStar_ 200. It could be more, if they don't empty it.

I thought there were merit sources that gained more than 2,000 sMerits per month. But since suchmoon gets about 1200 and DarkStar_ 200, I think my source Merits are good.
I get about 50 sMerits/month and currently I get 250 in addition to what I earn per month, maybe I can spend 300 per month.

Today is my Second Birthday in the Forum woohoo:)

Congratulations @iasenko it is good that you have earned more than 1300 Merits in less than two years, you are doing a great job .

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I’m not 100% sure on my source allowance, I haven’t counted or kept a record. It can’t be any more than 100 per month though. I am literally always out!

I usually rank 25th - 30th in the monthly merit senders list but earn a fair bit myself. I could definitely do with an increased source allowance.