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November 10, 2019, 03:31:23 AM
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I wish I was in the right room.


Okay here we go, I actually feel reluctant to make this statement, because Jollygood gives us fairly detailed information about
people who cheat and so on. Get up early as usual and I got a
telegram from one of the bitcointalk members.

I am here defending my friend MAXTRON, he is a newbie, he is certainly a not troller, he is only a handful of people who at the
time were not in the wrong place and time. My question is, do you have the heart if people and earn money honestly in the
community, suddenly not trusted by the client because only he expressed his opinion (also he is new member).

JollyGood mentioned:
+ User account maxtron is probably being controlled as part of the Vitor Services pumping paid

My question is :
+ Where is the prove?



Then he shows the screenshot in the Bitcointalk inbox, then he doesn't get a response.
For me it is natural, because he is already in the ignore list.

This is his statement. (JollyGood)





Maxtron issued on crptoknowmics.



JollyGood provides something that is not necessarily the truth.


What do I expect from jolly good.

- Don't be rash
- My friend is not necessarily a troller, scammer, whatever it is.
- You have to apologize, because what you do for everyone, that person accepts it.



I'm trying to be honest.


The reason I defended him to risk my account was because,
I felt that a designer lost a client because of someone else's mistake.

In fact, the question arises in my mind, is he doing all this sincerely and sincerely
without expecting anything in return or is he hoping for fame?


I help and defend for emotional reasons not profit or whatever reasons.

Maxtron Profile :HERE
His thread :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5200009.msg53028094#msg53028094
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5199722.msg53017945#msg53017945 (service)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5199717.msg53017792#msg53017792 (service)
Portofolio


After I discussed with my friends. This is the step I took, to defend my fellow designers.
being graphic designer is hard,hard to find people believe our work.


P.S : I only helped the account that I mentioned above.
Get used to reading carefully before giving input to this thread.


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November 10, 2019, 03:34:29 AM
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Do not question JollyGood, he is a reputable member that has helped many by exposing scams, not sure what is the problem between yhe other user, but i trust more JollyGood

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November 10, 2019, 03:38:09 AM
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Do not question JollyGood, he is a reputable member that has helped many by exposing scams, not sure what is the problem between yhe other user, but i trust more JollyGood

thank you for ur advance.

I'm here looking for justice. Trust is expensive and pride is difficult to obtain.
If Jollygood is someone who has common sense and logic, then he will realize himself and also he is not an admin or staff.


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November 10, 2019, 05:02:54 AM
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JollyGood mentioned:
+ User account maxtron is probably being controlled as part of the Vitor Services pumping paid

My question is :
+ Where is the prove?



It would appear JollyGood jumped the gun on this one. This user maxtron has no other posts in the Cryptoknowmics thread or other threads being spammed by the same group of spammers. His long post about Satoshi Nakamoto in Bitcoin Discussion is not something that a Vitor Services account would do. I hope JG sees this thread and considers removing his negative trust.

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November 10, 2019, 05:10:11 AM
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JollyGood mentioned:
+ User account maxtron is probably being controlled as part of the Vitor Services pumping paid

My question is :
+ Where is the prove?



It would appear JollyGood jumped the gun on this one. This user maxtron has no other posts in the Cryptoknowmics thread or other threads being spammed by the same group of spammers. His long post about Satoshi Nakamoto in Bitcoin Discussion is not something that a Vitor Services account would do. I hope JG sees this thread and considers removing his negative trust.

I response MAXTOR telegram and DM jolly ASAP after that and he make post after that,but maxtor out of control too he DM JG with full of madness. After that i DM JG

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193216.0

I don't care if what he saying.


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November 10, 2019, 05:34:14 AM
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JollyGood mentioned:
+ User account maxtron is probably being controlled as part of the Vitor Services pumping paid

My question is :
+ Where is the prove?



It would appear JollyGood jumped the gun on this one. This user maxtron has no other posts in the Cryptoknowmics thread or other threads being spammed by the same group of spammers. His long post about Satoshi Nakamoto in Bitcoin Discussion is not something that a Vitor Services account would do. I hope JG sees this thread and considers removing his negative trust.

If JollyGood made a mistake and left the negative feedback because a confusion i support JollyGood 100%,
is Human to make mistakes, rectify and forgive, right Mr nutildah?

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November 10, 2019, 06:45:22 AM
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I wish I was in the right room.


Okay here we go, I actually feel reluctant to make this statement, because Jollygood gives us fairly detailed information about
people who cheat and so on. Get up early as usual and I got a
telegram from one of the bitcointalk members.

I am here defending my friend MAXTRON, he is a newbie, he is certainly a not troller, he is only a handful of people who at the
time were not in the wrong place and time. My question is, do you have the heart if people and earn money honestly in the
community, suddenly not trusted by the client because only he expressed his opinion (also he is new member).


Jollygood actively tries to find scammers and those breaking the rules but often is over zealous in tagging or accusing people.
His methods are not always reliable and his conclusions different from what I have concluded.
(Maybe I am overly cautious with tagging people)

However I believe his intent is good and not malicious. It is probably an issue that you can try to sort out with him via PM.
He seems approachable.

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Jollygood actively tries to find scammers and those breaking the rules but often is over zealous in tagging or accusing people.
His methods are not always reliable and his conclusions different from what I have concluded.
(Maybe I am overly cautious with tagging people)

However I believe his intent is good and not malicious. It is probably an issue that you can try to sort out with him via PM.
He seems approachable.
Good intent != good, necessarily. Recently, I'm seeing a few people regularly overshooting when it comes to exposing scams. While their hit and miss ratio might still be okay, the damage caused by a single miss is unproportionally greater for those affected. Is it collateral damage we should accept?

I don't think so. What I'm demanding from those who (hopefully) feel addressed is: be extra careful with your research, and think twice before you present something as proof. Ask yourself: what would I think if someone uses this as proof against me?
Not directly referring to Jolly, here, but what I've witnessed considered proof is sometimes just shocking.

So, always consider. This "job" requires a portion of extra sensitivity, and sorting out false positives should be a top priority. Smiley

Btw, I'm overly cautious with tagging people, too. Maybe I shouldn't, but I've chosen this end of the line. Might not be good, either, and maybe "the other side" lacks understanding for how I (don't) handle things similar to the other way around. Interesting topic for discussion, though.

Guess the truth lies somewhere in between.

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November 10, 2019, 10:05:43 AM
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I wish I was in the right room.


Okay here we go, I actually feel reluctant to make this statement, because Jollygood gives us fairly detailed information about
people who cheat and so on. Get up early as usual and I got a
telegram from one of the bitcointalk members.

I am here defending my friend MAXTRON, he is a newbie, he is certainly a not troller, he is only a handful of people who at the
time were not in the wrong place and time. My question is, do you have the heart if people and earn money honestly in the
community, suddenly not trusted by the client because only he expressed his opinion (also he is new member).


Jollygood actively tries to find scammers and those breaking the rules but often is over zealous in tagging or accusing people.
His methods are not always reliable and his conclusions different from what I have concluded.
(Maybe I am overly cautious with tagging people)

However I believe his intent is good and not malicious. It is probably an issue that you can try to sort out with him via PM.
He seems approachable.

Talk about via PM we did last night,but maxtron so so so mad and DM JG with so bad,you can look JG thread about scam list cryptoknowmics.

Maxtron DM me and make a call but i'm too late,so i warn JG and maxtron Dm JG too,my purpose is warn them,i want maxtron do not take aggresive action before,but i'm to late,he mad so bad.you can check JG thread


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November 10, 2019, 10:13:09 AM
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Jollygood actively tries to find scammers and those breaking the rules but often is over zealous in tagging or accusing people.
His methods are not always reliable and his conclusions different from what I have concluded.
(Maybe I am overly cautious with tagging people)

However I believe his intent is good and not malicious. It is probably an issue that you can try to sort out with him via PM.
He seems approachable.
Good intent != good, necessarily. Recently, I'm seeing a few people regularly overshooting when it comes to exposing scams. While their hit and miss ratio might still be okay, the damage caused by a single miss is unproportionally greater for those affected. Is it collateral damage we should accept?

I don't think so. What I'm demanding from those who (hopefully) feel addressed is: be extra careful with your research, and think twice before you present something as proof. Ask yourself: what would I think if someone uses this as proof against me?
Not directly referring to Jolly, here, but what I've witnessed considered proof is sometimes just shocking.

So, always consider. This "job" requires a portion of extra sensitivity, and sorting out false positives should be a top priority. Smiley

Btw, I'm overly cautious with tagging people, too. Maybe I shouldn't, but I've chosen this end of the line. Might not be good, either, and maybe "the other side" lacks understanding for how I (don't) handle things similar to the other way around. Interesting topic for discussion, though.

Guess the truth lies somewhere in between.


My main goal is to help my friend and at the same time remind JG that, do not rush to make decisions about negative trust, because negative trust is easy to make but difficult to remove. Imagine like my friend, he just wants to attract the attention of cryptoknowmics, but JG misunderstood about the intent and purpose of my friend why did the post.

I hope in the future it will not happen again to innocent people. The other thing is, it concerns trust and money, imagine if he has a client and then doesn't trust him anymore. JG provides evidence without valid clarity. What Maxtron wants in his heart is REAL EVIDENCE he is part of what JG mentioned, is that difficult? 🤨


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It would appear JollyGood jumped the gun on this one. This user maxtron has no other posts in the Cryptoknowmics thread or other threads being spammed by the same group of spammers. His long post about Satoshi Nakamoto in Bitcoin Discussion is not something that a Vitor Services account would do. I hope JG sees this thread and considers removing his negative trust.
Thank you for your views on nutildah.

Yes, unfortunately while I was tagging the Vitor Services accounts I accidently tagged user "maxtron" too. The error was made because of an oversight on my part because there are so many sock-puppets flooding the Cryptoknowmics thread and I made a mistake - yes I jumped the gun on this one.

Having said that, it was an error which could have been sorted out when he sent me the PM. The problem was that the PM consisted of profanities therefore I dismissed it. I did not dismiss it in order to keep the negative trust there, that is not my style. I would like to consider myself as somebody not vindictive in the slightest. I ignored the PM based on the profanities. If he had written asking me to simply re-check and consider removing the tag on the basis he put forward, I would have removed it. On any count, it has been removed.

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If JollyGood made a mistake and left the negative feedback because a confusion i support JollyGood 100%,
is Human to make mistakes, rectify and forgive, right Mr nutildah?
I appreciate that view hold. I do not deserve such high praise as I have done nothing to warrant it except try my best to help the community. Yes

Yes there was an error on my part but the confusion was exacerbated and issued remained unresolved for 18 hours because they decided to send PMs containing semi-threats and profanities that gave me no valid reason to re-evaluate my trust.




Jollygood actively tries to find scammers and those breaking the rules but often is over zealous in tagging or accusing people.
His methods are not always reliable and his conclusions different from what I have concluded.
(Maybe I am overly cautious with tagging people)

However I believe his intent is good and not malicious. It is probably an issue that you can try to sort out with him via PM.
He seems approachable.
Thank you for your feedback xtraelv.

Yes I am approachable. I have had people who have supported scammers by posting in threads in the past sending me PMs asking to remove negative trust because they re-posted in the same threads apologising and explaining they also lost investment and they genuinely believed the project was not a scam. After reviewing the situation I removed the negative trust. I am very much approachable and try to help out when I can.




Good intent != good, necessarily. Recently, I'm seeing a few people regularly overshooting when it comes to exposing scams. While their hit and miss ratio might still be okay, the damage caused by a single miss is unproportionally greater for those affected. Is it collateral damage we should accept?

I don't think so. What I'm demanding from those who (hopefully) feel addressed is: be extra careful with your research, and think twice before you present something as proof. Ask yourself: what would I think if someone uses this as proof against me?
Not directly referring to Jolly, here, but what I've witnessed considered proof is sometimes just shocking.

So, always consider. This "job" requires a portion of extra sensitivity, and sorting out false positives should be a top priority. Smiley

Btw, I'm overly cautious with tagging people, too. Maybe I shouldn't, but I've chosen this end of the line. Might not be good, either, and maybe "the other side" lacks understanding for how I (don't) handle things similar to the other way around. Interesting topic for discussion, though.

Guess the truth lies somewhere in between.
Thank you for your feedback allyouracid.

I agree with entirely when you say that a hit/miss ratio cannot and should not justify the course of action and if somebody has been tagged uneccesarily or unfairly it should never be accepted as collateral damage. Having said that, please do note that after I left the tag I was contacted I think within one hour by the user account and then by the OP of this thread. And instead of receiving a PM requesting I review the situation I was hit with a barrage of profanities. As explained in my reply to nutildah, I removed it as soon as I realised I made an error.




My main goal is to help my friend and at the same time remind JG that, do not rush to make decisions about negative trust, because negative trust is easy to make but difficult to remove. Imagine like my friend, he just wants to attract the attention of cryptoknowmics, but JG misunderstood about the intent and purpose of my friend why did the post.

I hope in the future it will not happen again to innocent people. The other thing is, it concerns trust and money, imagine if he has a client and then doesn't trust him anymore. JG provides evidence without valid clarity. What Maxtron wants in his heart is REAL EVIDENCE he is part of what JG mentioned, is that difficult? 🤨
I completely accept your friend wanted to attract the attentions of Cryptoknowmics as a potential employer and did misunderstand it. It looked like one of many sock-puppet accounts. The negative trust was added in error and has been removed.

Kindly advise your friend maxtron that in future if any situation arises where he feels the need to send a PM to a user, he runs the risk of alienating himself if the PM is full of profanities. He sent me a PM followed by you just minutes after I left the negative trust. That was around 18 hours ago.

In the interim all this drama and hullabaloo was created because I read the OM and decided not ignore it based on the assumption that it was an irate user expressing frustration at being exposed. Has it been worded without profanities and contained a simple request to re-check everything I would have removed the negative trust immediately, apologised and explained why I made the error. The whole process of my leaving the negative trust to receiving your PM to me removing the negative trust would have been less than one hour if the PM was written in a manner that was not offensive.

Instead this process dragged on for 18 hours and your friend is just as much to blame for this issue. When you sent me the PM you also did not explain that English was not his first language and instead of writing: "You make wrong move.good bye with ur trust" you should have asked me to re-check and re-evaluate and if you had done that then maybe all this would have been resolved over 18 hours ago.

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November 10, 2019, 12:04:15 PM
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It would appear JollyGood jumped the gun on this one. This user maxtron has no other posts in the Cryptoknowmics thread or other threads being spammed by the same group of spammers. His long post about Satoshi Nakamoto in Bitcoin Discussion is not something that a Vitor Services account would do. I hope JG sees this thread and considers removing his negative trust.
Thank you for your views on nutildah.

Yes, unfortunately while I was tagging the Vitor Services accounts I accidently tagged user "maxtron" too. The error was made because of an oversight on my part because there are so many sock-puppets flooding the Cryptoknowmics thread and I made a mistake - yes I jumped the gun on this one.

Having said that, it was an error which could have been sorted out when he sent me the PM. The problem was that the PM consisted of profanities therefore I dismissed it. I did not dismiss it in order to keep the negative trust there, that is not my style. I would like to consider myself as somebody not vindictive in the slightest. I ignored the PM based on the profanities. If he had written asking me to simply re-check and consider removing the tag on the basis he put forward, I would have removed it. On any count, it has been removed.

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Jollygood actively tries to find scammers and those breaking the rules but often is over zealous in tagging or accusing people.
His methods are not always reliable and his conclusions different from what I have concluded.
(Maybe I am overly cautious with tagging people)

However I believe his intent is good and not malicious. It is probably an issue that you can try to sort out with him via PM.
He seems approachable.
Thank you for your feedback xtraelv.

Yes I am approachable. I have had people who have supported scammers by posting in threads in the past sending me PMs asking to remove negative trust because they re-posted in the same threads apologising and explaining they also lost investment and they genuinely believed the project was not a scam. After reviewing the situation I removed the negative trust. I am very much approachable and try to help out when I can.




Good intent != good, necessarily. Recently, I'm seeing a few people regularly overshooting when it comes to exposing scams. While their hit and miss ratio might still be okay, the damage caused by a single miss is unproportionally greater for those affected. Is it collateral damage we should accept?

I don't think so. What I'm demanding from those who (hopefully) feel addressed is: be extra careful with your research, and think twice before you present something as proof. Ask yourself: what would I think if someone uses this as proof against me?
Not directly referring to Jolly, here, but what I've witnessed considered proof is sometimes just shocking.

So, always consider. This "job" requires a portion of extra sensitivity, and sorting out false positives should be a top priority. Smiley

Btw, I'm overly cautious with tagging people, too. Maybe I shouldn't, but I've chosen this end of the line. Might not be good, either, and maybe "the other side" lacks understanding for how I (don't) handle things similar to the other way around. Interesting topic for discussion, though.

Guess the truth lies somewhere in between.
Thank you for your feedback allyouracid.

I agree with entirely when you say that a hit/miss ratio cannot and should not justify the course of action and if somebody has been tagged uneccesarily or unfairly it should never be accepted as collateral damage. Having said that, please do note that after I left the tag I was contacted I think within one hour by the user account and then by the OP of this thread. And instead of receiving a PM requesting I review the situation I was hit with a barrage of profanities. As explained in my reply to nutildah, I removed it as soon as I realised I made an error.




My main goal is to help my friend and at the same time remind JG that, do not rush to make decisions about negative trust, because negative trust is easy to make but difficult to remove. Imagine like my friend, he just wants to attract the attention of cryptoknowmics, but JG misunderstood about the intent and purpose of my friend why did the post.

I hope in the future it will not happen again to innocent people. The other thing is, it concerns trust and money, imagine if he has a client and then doesn't trust him anymore. JG provides evidence without valid clarity. What Maxtron wants in his heart is REAL EVIDENCE he is part of what JG mentioned, is that difficult? 🤨
I completely accept your friend wanted to attract the attentions of Cryptoknowmics as a potential employer and did misunderstand it. It looked like one of many sock-puppet accounts. The negative trust was added in error and has been removed.

Kindly advise your friend maxtron that in future if any situation arises where he feels the need to send a PM to a user, he runs the risk of alienating himself if the PM is full of profanities. He sent me a PM followed by you just minutes after I left the negative trust. That was around 18 hours ago.

In the interim all this drama and hullabaloo was created because I read the OM and decided not ignore it based on the assumption that it was an irate user expressing frustration at being exposed. Has it been worded without profanities and contained a simple request to re-check everything I would have removed the negative trust immediately, apologised and explained why I made the error. The whole process of my leaving the negative trust to receiving your PM to me removing the negative trust would have been less than one hour if the PM was written in a manner that was not offensive.

Instead this process dragged on for 18 hours and your friend is just as much to blame for this issue. When you sent me the PM you also did not explain that English was not his first language and instead of writing: "You make wrong move.good bye with ur trust" you should have asked me to re-check and re-evaluate and if you had done that then maybe all this would have been resolved over 18 hours ago.

I have explained before, at the beginning I want to give a warning to and then you reply to my message, but your DM maxtron first before me, after he was very angry through a telegram conversation. At the same time, I was encouraged by Maxtron's very convincing complaints. So I initially wanted to just give a warning. When everything is settled, I will tell Maxtron. Since he was DM so angry, I suggested that I negotiate.


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