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November 25, 2019, 11:24:38 AM
Merited by philipma1957 (3), LoyceV (2), OgNasty (1)
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Maybe some of you don’t care because you have hundreds of them, or for some other reasons, but I don’t have that many merits, and I really value each and every one of them. I feel so happy when I receive a merit, I even created a meme about that:



Back to the point, though. I received 3 merits from theymos for this post

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.msg52935367#msg52935367

and until today I could see them in my profile



but today they disappeared.

You can still see them here:

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Betwrong&from=theymos

but if you click on the post with 3 merits, it looks like it wasn’t merited by theymos.

By no means I'm complaining or trying to say that that post of mine deserves 3 merits. I'm just wondering how that could have happened, and whether it's kind of a bug that have to be fixed?

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November 25, 2019, 11:33:51 AM
Merited by Vispilio (1)
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Looks like some bug in the system if you ask me.
Theymos gave so many merits in 10th Anniversary and that resulted in stuck merit transaction  Grin

Maybe Roger can fork merit system also and call it merit_cash  Roll Eyes

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November 25, 2019, 11:38:18 AM
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Looks like some bug in the system if you ask me.
Theymos gave so many merits in 10th Anniversary and that resulted in stuck merit transaction  Grin

Maybe Roger can fork merit system also and call it merit_cash  Roll Eyes

Or the Merit was double-spent? Cheesy

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November 25, 2019, 11:52:56 AM
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Probably a glitch mate. But if this happened to me I would also feel the same. But probably the merits are just bug this is obvious that youre merit has been deducted based on the youre active stat. But many already complained about this like you mate that merits weren't credited.

I hope you reclaimed the merit and Mods here can help you fix it. Every merits count so I think they should help you. (I didn't know merit can also be deducted)

 Is it possible?

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November 25, 2019, 11:58:54 AM
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It seems to be a "bug" of some kind, perhaps due to some manual updates or so. If I take a look at you merit TXs as of last Friday (early mornig of), the 3 merit TX from @theymos was not there:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/59YS8DQ8W?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link
That means it was not included in this week’s merit.txt file.

On the other hand, the profile as of last Friday has 1087 merits:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/RPW7H2Q4Y?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link
 
Since you were not merited on Friday 22/11/2019, the above should be consistent, but it is not. There is a 3 merit discrepancy between those stated on the profile (1087) and the sum of the sMerit TX (84 + airdropped 1k = 1084).

It looks like the TX was deleted (for whatever reason), and profiles rolled-up numbers were not recalculated until recently.

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November 25, 2019, 12:09:54 PM
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It seems to be a "bug" of some kind, perhaps due to some manual updates or so.
That would be my guess too. Last week, there was a problem with some of theymos' Merit not showing on the posts:
Code:
if($smerit+$source < $merits && $ID_MEMBER!=35)
    fatal_error("You do not have enough sendable merit.", false);

I guess the merit economy needed some emergency repo operations. Wink
@theymos: It looks like your "emergency update" broke things:
Did anybody face any problem with merit that send by theymos for the 10th-anniversary contest? I have faced some problem when theymos sent me merits for second time that, I see, I received some merits in my merit history but when I click on the link of which post merited, But I can not find any merit on the post that send by theymos. I have also checked others' profiles for making me sure. But I also faced the same problem/error on others' profiles too.
The user above has received this from you:
Code:
Today at 04:25:17 AM: 3 from theymos for Re: 10th anniversary art contest
Today at 02:04:18 AM: 10 from theymos for Re: 10th anniversary art contest
November 18, 2019, 08:53:04 PM: 50 from theymos for Re: 10th anniversary art contest
These are the posts: 50 Merit, no Merit (instead of 10) from you, and 3 Merit from you again.

Update: it looks like it's fixed now.
Unless if it's not a bug, which would mean theymos really removed those 3 Merits.

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November 25, 2019, 01:56:06 PM
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Unless if it's not a bug, which would mean theymos really removed those 3 Merits.
Except the last time theymos removed merits, this was explicitly included in the merit history as an award of negative merits, which isn't the case here.

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November 25, 2019, 02:42:47 PM
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Not only you, but I have also faced this during contest running. And I saw some profiles also face this problem. Though the issue is fixed already.


When I was facing that problem then I checked others too. One of them is Kalemder Merit history.

Code:
Today at 01:58:18 AM: 5 from theymos for Re: 10th anniversary art contest
November 18, 2019, 08:30:38 PM: 15 from theymos for Re: 10th anniversary art contest
November 18, 2019, 07:46:19 PM: 35 from theymos for Re: 10th anniversary art contest

1. Merit history is showing 5 merits but Post doesn't  show the merit
2. Merit history is showing 15 merits but Post doesn't show
3. Merit history showing 35 merits Instead of 50 merits

This problem I have faced when I visited Kalemder profile during running the contest.[it also fixed now]

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November 25, 2019, 07:51:36 PM
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its Ver, attempting to 51% the merit system - Watch out - Merit Cash is going to be hitting the forum soon.
Maybe Satoshi stole those 3 merits, ever think of that? 
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Maybe CW knows.  Let's ask him what MeritSV would look like.
Lol, all these crypto jokes only a bitcoin geek would understand.

Hopefully Theymos will fix this and give OP back his merits, even though he doesn't need them to rank up or anything.  It'd be much worse if they'd actually been the merits that made the difference between one rank and another--that would suck royally.

I wouldn't have thought there could be such a bug that would steal merits, but I'm a non-tech ignoramus and wouldn't know about such things.  Man, where's that new forum software when you need it?

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November 26, 2019, 12:50:46 AM
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Very interesting thing, I've never seen anything similar before. First I thought about April fools day joke when theymos reversed some merits. But this time it should be some kind of bug. Let's hope theymos will fix it.
Maybe this merit transaction didn't got enough confirmations and stuck on blockchain - network was very bussy with all these merits dumped by theymos Cheesy
Hopefully Theymos will fix this and give OP back his merits, even though he doesn't need them to rank up or anything.  It'd be much worse if they'd actually been the merits that made the difference between one rank and another--that would suck royally.
I don't think that 3 merits means much even if we talk about ranking up. But what if it would be not 3, but 50 merits - it would really suck royally.




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November 26, 2019, 04:04:20 AM
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My guess is this rule with giving merits does not apply if you are an administrator :
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My guess is he changed his mind about awarding you merit for that submission, maybe within a time-frame he believed to be quick, but not before the tx was picked up by one or more bots monitoring merit txs

edit to add:
This may further explain the reasoning behind why the merit was removed:
For anyone doing analysis: When someone makes multiple submissions, I consider the merit I've already given them when deciding how much merit to give later submissions. So if someone posts two submissions to which I'd normally give 50 merit, the second one will get less. Therefore, it'd be most accurate to consider my merit awards in terms of total per-person rather than per-submission.

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November 27, 2019, 12:29:51 PM
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My guess is this rule with giving merits does not apply if you are an administrator :
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My guess is he changed his mind about awarding you merit for that submission, maybe within a time-frame he believed to be quick, but not before the tx was picked up by one or more bots monitoring merit txs

That was my first thought too, and it would be perfectly understandable, I wouldn't mind actually. But if it wasn't the case, and it was a bug, then I thought it had to be fixed.]

edit to add:
This may further explain the reasoning behind why the merit was removed:
For anyone doing analysis: When someone makes multiple submissions, I consider the merit I've already given them when deciding how much merit to give later submissions. So if someone posts two submissions to which I'd normally give 50 merit, the second one will get less. Therefore, it'd be most accurate to consider my merit awards in terms of total per-person rather than per-submission.

I've got 5 merits from theymos, in total, for the art contest. So, that was hardly the case, but who knows?

Anyways, in case of someone wondering, the situation is still the same: the merits are shown on bpip.org, and are not shown in my bitcointalk profile.

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BPIP is run by a forum member, Vod and is not affiliated with the forum. BPIP most likely gets information about merit from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=recent so if the merit transaction was ever on that page, it will be reflected on bpip unless it is manually removed by someone with access to the bpip database.

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November 27, 2019, 03:55:55 PM
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op why not shoot theymos a pm asking bug or intentional?

i for one would love to know if it is a bug.


btw sent you 3 merits

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November 28, 2019, 03:09:50 AM
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Bpip is run by a forum member, Vod and is not affiliated with the forum.

Correct!  But BPIP is an acronym, and should be in all caps.  Smiley

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December 01, 2019, 10:13:42 AM
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op why not shoot theymos a pm asking bug or intentional?

i for one would love to know if it is a bug.


btw sent you 3 merits

Thank you! I've already received more merits for this topic than I (allegedly?) lost (because of the bug?). So, I'm more than happy meritwise. Smiley

Regarding a PM to theymos, I read somewhere that theymos receives hundreds of PMs daily, so I thought there are more chances of him noticing the issue here than via a PM.



Thank you all of you guys for your replies! I am really grateful that you took your time to write in this thread.



Update on the topic:

It is still unclear whether the 3 merits, which are shown here in the top row

https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Betwrong&from=theymos

were intentionally deleted, or it was a bug.

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Should've created a separate blockchain for Merit distribution. Damn why didn't we think about that earlier...

 
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Should've created a separate blockchain for Merit distribution. Damn why didn't we think about that earlier...
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