I'm Thinking of Bitcoin Blockchain Accessible Without Internet

[OddJobsForBitcoin]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

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[stompix]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins?

You go to an area where you have an internet connection.

Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection?

Yeah, it would but all the solutions that are trying to bypass the lack of an internet connection are not scalable, nor are they viable for your average Joe. That aside, there is still one problem, you can send a transaction with having the internet to another party, the problem is that this party has to have internet connection:P Not even going to touch the whole block propagation stuff.

[kryptqnick]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins?

You go to an area where you have an internet connection.

Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection?

Yeah, it would but all the solutions that are trying to bypass the lack of an internet connection are not scalable, nor are they viable for your average Joe. That aside, there is still one problem, you can send a transaction with having the internet to another party, the problem is that this party has to have internet connection:P Not even going to touch the whole block propagation stuff.

You've mentioned an article about using the radio (did not know that it was possible), but I wanted to remind the op of the satellite solution, which is not the Internet but seems alright. I have not used Blockstream, but it seems to be a decent project. I am also not sure whether what they say is true, but if it is, transactions are supposed to be cheap and the service is available 24/7. Most of the time, though, I believe that the Internet connection is not a problem, and the tendency is that it will be even less of a problem in the future. Watching a video by Antonopoulos, though, it seems that it's not cost-effective, because it requires equipment which will cost at least $100.

[Kprawn]

There are already people transmitting Bitcoin over radio waves - https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoiners-finland-send-cryptocurrency-radio and other

people put Bitcoin in space, https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-in-space-blockchain-satellite-receives-first-transaction ( Blockstream’s

Blockchain Satellite ) - You do not just need Internet access to transfer bitcoins, but it is so much easier. Another thing people do not think

about is the physical transfer of a Paper wallet from one person to the next, but that would be too risky for large amounts and you are restricted to

physical access to the other person to do this. 

[stompix]

You've mentioned an article about using the radio (did not know that it was possible), but I wanted to remind the op of the satellite solution, which is not the Internet but seems alright. I have not used Blockstream, but it seems to be a decent project.

I had mentioned that one because we were talking about moving away from ISPs to a decentralized way of sending transactions.
The Blockstream's satellites are not a decentralized way to do it, you require them, nobody else can set them up, they can shut them down any time they want!

So, it's really nothing different from having a satellite internet package, at 300$ you can get the equipment and around 50$ a month for the data transfer if you plan on using it wisely. And you've got basically the same thing and much more!

With the radio waves you can set up all of it yourself with a few friends, you don't require a 3rd party.

[arimamib]

I did not find an answer to your question, the internet makes you able to connect with the system or outsiders easily while to access a system that requires internet then you also need the internet. unless you do it somewhere that is interconnected with one another

[NeuroticFish]

In order to properly spend, the transaction has to be sent somewhere the miners can add it into a block so it is confirmed. For that, in a way or another, some data has to get onto the internet.

The only alternative I know is to "spend" entire paper wallet, but that's not a proper (trustless) Bitcoin spending.

[hello_good_sir]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

Yours basically trying to access your funds that require a network to connect to without a network, it would be impossible to do, just like you can't send payments from the banking system without access to the internet.

In the future though, we are likely going to be living in a world where sim plans become dirt cheap, and world-wide wifi has slowly become a possibility, and most people now already have a constant internet connection, so it's nothing challenging.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I have not used Blockstream, but it seems to be a decent project. I am also not sure whether what they say is true, but if it is, transactions are supposed to be cheap and the service is available 24/7.

You can only receive data via satellite - you can't transmit. The Blockstream satellites will allow you to receive new blocks and keep your node up to date without an internet connection, but you can't directly broadcast a transaction back over them. They will let you use their satellite network to broadcast a transmission, but you need internet access to upload the transmission to their servers and pay a fee for it first.

The only alternative I know is to "spend" entire paper wallet, but that's not a proper (trustless) Bitcoin spending.

There are projects such as OPENDIME which put a public and private key on a USB drive in a way that anyone can check the public key (and therefore the funds held within), but the drive needs to be physically destroyed to access the private key. Better than handing someone else a paper wallet, but still not trustless as the trust has simply moved from the other party you are trading with to the third party creators of device.

[electronicash]

they've already mentioned some ways including that paperwallet. radiowaves is something very technical for me, i won't even try to understand that. but what the heck are you going to do in that secluded area with no internet connection but wants to transact using btc?  you wanted outlaw or something?

might as well use fiat if you have to go into all these troubles to make a transaction. technology is suppose to make all these convenient.

[Duzter]

As suggested transacting through satellite is the only possible solution. Here too there will be complications and limitations which could cause some problems. Thinking of advancement is good, but this should help with the betterment of the network and should not make people start searching for other things. To make transactions through satellites more effective it is good to launch satellites completely dedicated for bitcoin network.

[Youghoor]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

First and foremost, you need to understand that the internet is not a third party entity. It is just the connection of computers all around the world. To connect to the internet, you just need an entry point not a third party. And secondly, you can't make bitcoin transactions without connecting to the internet. The transactions need to be broadcast on the blockchain network for it to be recorded on each node on the blockchain network. The internet is the key element in making a bitcoin transaction.

[gabmen]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

I don't see how that could happen. An internet built on blockchain would basically run on online connection also. I think it's just not possible at the moment. I could imagine something that runs on other signals like GPS, but it would be a hard task integrating all you could do with crypto on that signal. In the end, we'd still end up requiring internet connection anyway.

[Kyraishi]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

It's possible, if you look at most advanced economies, in most of their cities, everyone is able to get access to cell towers, and they are going to be constantly connected to the internet, all we need is a network built on those cell tower systems, and that's how it would have worked.

I believe there are some new technologies, where you are basically able to get notifications that you have gotten bitcoins, but you aren't able to send BTC? It's something involving new technology, and it could be useful for whatever you are suggesting.

[crwth]

When I read your topic, I immediately remembered people who have no access to any technology that we have. I have thought about it lots of times on how everyone could get what they deserve. People who have no banks make their transactions, and without internet access or a smartphone, it won't be possible. Let's say the people who have far less than what we have. Not everyone can buy a smartphone, even though it's getting cheaper, the choice between necessity and wants would put into the matter. Food is going to be a priority for them, not a smartphone. These are just my random thought about what Bitcoin could do to those who are on the unlucky end. I guess I have this notion that Bitcoin could help the poorest of the poor, in some way.

[Oneandpure]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

Still impossible for bitcoin and blockchain can access without using internet, some time we need highest speed of internet for access to bitcoin and blockchain account, maybe have implementation at the future with bitcoin and blockchain could be open without using internet access, how ever many country still do not get access with higher speed of internet and have to move to other place to get internet.

[Darker45]

When I read your topic, I immediately remembered people who have no access to any technology that we have. I have thought about it lots of times on how everyone could get what they deserve. People who have no banks make their transactions, and without internet access or a smartphone, it won't be possible. Let's say the people who have far less than what we have. Not everyone can buy a smartphone, even though it's getting cheaper, the choice between necessity and wants would put into the matter. Food is going to be a priority for them, not a smartphone. These are just my random thought about what Bitcoin could do to those who are on the unlucky end. I guess I have this notion that Bitcoin could help the poorest of the poor, in some way.

Bitcoin is technology-based, which means it will not run and be useful in a setting where advance technology is nil. That being said, the poorest of the poor will not be able to enjoy what we are enjoying right now in this crypto space. To send and receive Bitcoin, one needs advance technological tools such as a crypto wallet, smart phone, an internet connection, and so on. For the transaction to be processed and broadcast into the network, everything has to undergo more sophisticated mining processes that again need advance technological tools such as mining rigs, electricity, internet, among others.

If these are all non-existent in a certain area, there is no point talking about Bitcoin or blockchain or whatever. This is a new-wine-in-an-old-wineskin story.

[pooya87]

you are talking about sending data between peers but these peers should be able to first be anywhere in the world (so long distance is important from continent to continent) and second be able to communicate instantly (sending a new block, transaction,... should reach the entire network within seconds).

i don't think you can set up the entire system on anything except the Internet because using internet currently is the only cheapest and fastest way to propagate data all over the world in shortest time. any other method is either short range, expensive or slower.
you could however use any other method yourself. all you have to do is that think of it as sending/receiving data. now you can use radio waves, SMS, DVD or even a piece of paper that contains that data which you send to the other party. for example you can sign the transaction with your key, print it on a paper and mail it to the other person who will broadcast it on the internet.

[samcrypto]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

The idea is great since many places are still have no internet connection but if you are living today its not possible to happen or maybe in the future we really don't know. If you're on the area when there's no internet then you have to move yourself on a better place where internet is available and that's the only way for you to use your bitcoin.

[ragavancoin]

What can be done without internet, payments, exchanges nothing is possible without internet. But in this digital world every thing is possible.

It is possible to send bitcoin by Radio and Circumvent Network Censorship.

People can send and receive bitcoin even in worst case.

Source link :-
https://news.bitcoin.com/no-internet-no-problem-how-to-send-bitcoin-by-amateur-radio/

[Ucy]

There are already people transmitting Bitcoin over radio waves - https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoiners-finland-send-cryptocurrency-radio and other

people put Bitcoin in space, https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-in-space-blockchain-satellite-receives-first-transaction ( Blockstream’s

Blockchain Satellite ) - You do not just need Internet access to transfer bitcoins, but it is so much easier. Another thing people do not think
aboutis the physical transfer of a Paper wallet from one person to the next, but that would be too risky for large amounts and you are restricted to

physical access to the other person to do this.

We could do that with birds and other means.
 
Two locations (locations the birds can't do without) between the sends and receivers could be build for the messenger birds in different towns, cities, countries etc. The locations need to have proper shelters and food for the birds.

The birds would need to be well trained.

[Wintersoldier]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

With the idea of blockchain's public ledger concept, each transaction should be broadcasted to the network and you need to have an internet connection. I am also thinking of the possibility that you could save the transaction then pass it on the network once you have connected, but it will not be efficient. We need real-time interactions of all the nodes that are creating transactions for the fulfillment of the purpose of how secured and efficient blockchain is.

[ice18]

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We could do that with birds and other means. 
Two locations (locations the birds can't do without) between the sends and receivers could be build for the messenger birds in different towns, cities, countries etc. The locations need to have proper shelters and food for the birds.

The birds would need to be well trained. 

You have a very strange and unique idea but we are talking here a bitcoin transaction from one point to another location if we have to use animals like birds this will not too reliable if we consider speed, security, etc., maybe in the future not only satellite can be used but also another more cheap and fast like send bitcoin using sms, Im not sure if there are some people experimenting on using sms. 

[BChydro]

I was not even aware that you will be able to send bitcoin without internet connection and it is news for me and they are using high frequency radio to make transaction is novelty and if there are any restrictions we will see people using this method and it is a real innovative way to make things possible and now i came to know about TxTenna which uses goTenna mesh network.

[bitvalak]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

That means you should try to find an internet connection, as simple as that.
Because it is impossible if in the present and the future of the internet is difficult to find. Bitcoin transactions require an internet connection, and you must accept that.

[sapnu]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

That means you should try to find an internet connection, as simple as that.
Because it is impossible if in the present and the future of the internet is difficult to find. Bitcoin transactions require an internet connection, and you must accept that.

I dont think that's gonna happen because we are accessing cryptocurrency with the use of the internet since it is digital money and can only be accessed through internet connection, but maybe it can happen since technology is innovating time by time, I can say that developers can do that not now but maybe soon. If that happens, they should consider the downsides if the cryptocurrency is offline accessed because volatility is the cryptocurrency's nature how can it change in terms of volume if it is offline.

[Toro2000]

I believe this is possible, but you still need modern smartphone with NFC, and TrustedZone technology.
Being said that I think Microsoft, and PBoC, hold patents for offline transfers of digital currencies over NFC.
Idea is that you can transfer currency offline and when you have Internet connection you upload new state to miners.
This feature is very important to like half of the world today, who don't have Internet connection.

[vintages]

I don't think can be possible that way. Bitcoin is all about Web, internet that is why it is been regarded as the Internet money.
Whatever that has to be digital needs the Internet part to become it. Moreover its more secured that way.
What we should be looking forward to resolve is a means of making Internet connection very accessible to everyone  no matter any location they are. If possible making it free.

[yohananaomi]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

An internet connection is clearly needed as long as you want to have a relationship or a bitcoin transaction, how can you want to do a bitcoin transaction but not using an internet connection that is clearly not possible because a connection is needed for every transaction.
whereas fiat transactions still use the internet, especially with crypto not possible. but now the internet network has advanced and is not difficult like a few years back.

[TRONTON]

I read an article that can carry out transactions according to what the OP wants, with integration from blockstream to download BTC full node, and is associated with GoTenna with a mesh network.

https://www.coindesk.com/gotenna-partners-with-blockstream-satellite-to-make-using-bitcoin-without-an-internet-connection-simpler

but this looks more complicated and is impossible to reach many people at once. In the end we don't need to think complicated and position ourselves with the internet as usual, decentralization also has to adapt to things that are mainstream.

[DreamStage]

Bitcoin is a virtual currency, therefore it requires bytes as data to be processed and virtualized on the network.

Transactions exist within the network therefore the only possible way for them to come are the Internet on this current moment.

Other alternative could be radio frequencies where frequencies would contain a pattern for specific data bytes which would then be transformed.
And from that transformation you could obtain your data.

[minersday]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

Excuse me to say, did you really think of this post before posting it here? This post tells me that you do really know anything about cryptocurrency and how blockchain technology actually works. The internet is the central tool for the establishment of blockchain technology and  cryptocurrency.  The internet is never a third party but just serves as a linkage between computers in any part of the world. Without the internet, you can not make any bitcoin or cryptocurrency transactions because the nature of the entire blockchain network.

[Eugenar]

Bitcoin is a virtual currency, therefore it requires bytes as data to be processed and virtualized on the network.

Transactions exist within the network therefore the only possible way for them to come are the Internet on this current moment.

Other alternative could be radio frequencies where frequencies would contain a pattern for specific data bytes which would then be transformed.
And from that transformation you could obtain your data.

With regards to the range of frequencies available, it is not applicable to have many people transacting over a frequency as it will be congested. In addition, there would be no security enhancement feature where blockchain could be applied. Thus, what is a better idea is to make the internet readily accessible in most areas with low cost and with a low effort of accessing it. Meaning to say that to better implement cryptocurrency transactions, I would prefer to have a free internet over the country. Or open a particular port where the internet could be free for the transaction.

[Ucy]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

Excuse me to say, did you really think of this post before posting it here? This post tells me that you do really know anything about cryptocurrency and how blockchain technology actually works. The internet is the central tool for the establishment of blockchain technology and  cryptocurrency.  The internet is never a third party but just serves as a linkage between computers in any part of the world. Without the internet, you can not make any bitcoin or cryptocurrency transactions because the nature of the entire blockchain network.

You're probably correct. But it's possible to use Bitcoin in areas without the internet. Some people have been able to do it from what I can tell.
The transactions will still require  internet though for verification.  The most important thing is to have available internet in one of the two locations involved in transactions

[gabbie2010]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

If a major breakthrough can be achieved in that aspect of using or accessing blockchain without internet globally then I believed that is a revolution in financial aspect using bitcoin as a payment gateway for transactions, buying of goods and payment of services would be well adopted and its growth would be rapid however to achieve that fate would involve lot of research I am quite optimistic a breakthrough would surely be recorded in aspect in the future.

[bitcampaign]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

You mean the forest, which area does not have internet access, is it in the forest? we know that almost all corners all have internet access, so whether you want to buy tiger meat by paying bitcoin, the question is a little tickling even you should read a lot about bitcoin transactions using SMS or a few others, many of which have been developed and are currently being developed or later, so you don't need to worry about that even if there is a world war, bitcoin can still be used for transactions

[imstillthebest]

your vision was cool  . you have a point there . btc is decentralized and being decentralized mean that it wont depend on any other thing right ? i think that is possible to have a free access on blockchain/crypto based sites just to be able to make transaction  because there were already free sites that we can access even if without an active data promo but you cant almost do anything on these free sites aside from availing paid subsciptions that will be charge soon on you  .

[buwaytress]

The only other tech people haven't mentioned here I think is wireless mesh networks (yes, it's still using radio but not in the way suggested). I'll summarise in a probably very poor description but it's using simple device to device connection... mainly from phones which dont even need to be smartphones from users and hopping from one phone to another until it finds the device connected to the internet (data). Basically works anyplace as long as people are near enough to each other.

I think with enough motivation, using Blockstream satellite is very, very possible too... but I'm not sure if a regular person would want to use that or direct radio.

That mesh network thing could work though. User wouldn't even need to know the mechanics or set it up if he only had a phone.

[audaciousbeing]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

Your line of thought is something that has been discussed before even on the forum and really its going to be a huge breakthrough should that be possible but note that it will also come at a cost. For instance with the advancement of technology and improvement in banking, its now possible to carry out banking transactions with USSD codes without the need for internet. Withdrawals and transfers can be made without stress but its because the phone number to be used needs to be connected to the bank account. Now that is where the challenge is. Crypto market is one where you protect your information and data to the letter and alternative ways to connect would need more information to connect the user to the wallet. The point is if we want to see that, then we should be ready to share more.

[Firecold4]

Actually bitcoin can be valid without having to use an internet connection but bitcoin must be legally recognized as a legal currency but unfortunately for now bitcoin is heavily criticized by many countries so it is difficult to realize it all

[OnceTwiceThird]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

If you can Accessible Without Internet with bitcoin wallet I think still impossible when access to exchange bitcoin market, how ever bitcoin not only have function as payment currency many people use bitcoin for trading, without internet they miss big chance to get much profit with bitcoin investing or trading, but there are still not way for bitcoin without internet.

[dimastegar]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

Of course you need to move from that area and look for areas with internet connections. Basically Bitcoin cannot stand without an internet connection. Like us humans who cannot live without the help of others because humans are social beings. Bitcoin also cannot live without an internet connection.

[Velkro]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection?

You need internet to be sure that Bitcoin you spending or receiving isnt spend already.
No way to do Bitcoin without internet, you need to verify its legit.

[xiboothrezi]

Until now the internet is one of the best ways to connect the needs in cryptocurrency, on page one there are a lot of discussions about satellite and radio transmissions, but that is not yet effective enough I feel. With the surprising technological developments, it is possible that there will be more and more sophisticated innovations from the internet.

[crwth]

That being said, the poorest of the poor will not be able to enjoy what we are enjoying right now in this crypto space. To send and receive Bitcoin, one needs advance technological tools such as a crypto wallet, smart phone, an internet connection, and so on.

I know this one. That's why I said how they would be able to access it. Being the poorest of the poor would be hard for them. Imagine banks giving bank accounts to them, and they won't do that because they are not sure of how they will profit from it.

If these are all non-existent in a certain area, there is no point talking about Bitcoin or blockchain or whatever. This is a new-wine-in-an-old-wineskin story.

These types of problems are there to be solved, and I think it could be done, but there are no researches to support it yet, you will never know. But what I'm thinking of is giving someone a donation, even just a little even if you are far away from them, it could help them. I think everyone could be at least given a chance to connect to the internet and learn some knowledge about anything they want.

I remember an app called FireChat [1], and it works even without internet. When buwaytress mentioned wireless mesh network, I remembered it, and I think they could start revolutionizing other applications as well. Not sure how, but at least that's a step in the right direction.

[akirasendo17]

im afraid its not going to work, you need to be in the internet to be able to transact using bitcoin , since you need to be syncronize in tje the network and the only way to do that is , to jave an internet connection, bitcoin is in a bigchain of network that is connected to each other, if once goes down its gonna find a way to communicate
to be able to transfer a single teansaction, and that is very important,

[Twentyonepaylots]

That being said, the poorest of the poor will not be able to enjoy what we are enjoying right now in this crypto space. To send and receive Bitcoin, one needs advance technological tools such as a crypto wallet, smart phone, an internet connection, and so on.

I know this one. That's why I said how they would be able to access it. Being the poorest of the poor would be hard for them. Imagine banks giving bank accounts to them, and they won't do that because they are not sure of how they will profit from it.

Well that's the reality that we must face. Although cryptocurrency are created for all, there are still people who can't use it due to limited access to the internet since the network does not work without it. Even we are facing the technological era, 40% are still unable to have the access to the internet and that's roughly 3 billion and most are in isolated areas.

These types of problems are there to be solved, and I think it could be done, but there are no researches to support it yet, you will never know. But what I'm thinking of is giving someone a donation, even just a little even if you are far away from them, it could help them. I think everyone could be at least given a chance to connect to the internet and learn some knowledge about anything they want.

There is no researches conducted since that is practically impossible. Therefore the only way to give is to give physically, cryptocurrency can do the work but it can't be done that way.

[Eugenar]

Actually bitcoin can be valid without having to use an internet connection but bitcoin must be legally recognized as a legal currency but unfortunately for now bitcoin is heavily criticized by many countries so it is difficult to realize it all

What about the concept of using a ledger nano wallet? Even if the wallet isn't connected, it can still receive balance from users, but the problem is just, if you are the sender or the person to create the transaction, you really need to have an internet connection because you need to connect to the world in realtime for your transaction to be recorded in the public ledger. For me, it will not be a necessary thing for us to consider running a blockchain that can be accessible without an internet. I highly consider Internet should be the one to adjust, and to become easily accessible for different services to run not just blockchain and cryptocurrency transactions.

[o_e_l_e_o]

What about the concept of using a ledger nano wallet? Even if the wallet isn't connected, it can still receive balance from users

Wallets are just a collection of private keys. Whether or not those private keys are stored on an internet connected device or not is completely irrelevant. Similarly irrelevant is whether those private keys are stored in a paper wallet, hardware wallet, software wallet, web wallet, and so forth. Every single bitcoin address in existence can receive coins to it whether or not it's associated private key or "associated wallet" is connected to the internet or not.

The issue here is not about the bitcoin addresses being unable to receive coins - it's about the owner being unable to validate that those coins have been received, or being able to make their own transactions. The first can be overcome by using blockchain satellite, the second by using mesh networks or radio signals.

[suvo05]

I don't see the dependence on the internet as a flaw of blockchain. Internet is nowadays becoming the basic needs just like electricity. The  whole banking system is also dependent on the internet.
The idea of using the blockchain is good but such a thing is not possible. For a transaction two wallet need to be connected to each other at least. What could be the mode of that connection?

[th3nolo]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

There is already someone working to solve this kind of problem, the creator is a Venezuelan and the technology is known as Locha Mesh.

https://blog.bitcoinvenezuela.com/locha-mesh/
https://twitter.com/locha_io

Secure communications and Bitcoin transactions broadcasting without internet or even electricity.

Here is a Podcast where Rady Brito CEO of Bitcoin Venezuela talks in-depth about how Locha-Mesh works.

https://twitter.com/keyvandavani/status/1203049589105930241

[cotton ball]

I don't see the dependence on the internet as a flaw of blockchain. Internet is nowadays becoming the basic needs just like electricity. The  whole banking system is also dependent on the internet.
The idea of using the blockchain is good but such a thing is not possible. For a transaction two wallet need to be connected to each other at least. What could be the mode of that connection?

Many country not get support access with higher speed internet and need new way how to use blockchain and bitcoin account without access to internet, maybe have application support can access with our wallet without internet and have think by blockchain support how next time to make people easily to access with bitcoin account without have internet. Maybe more safety if can open bitcoin wallet without using internet.

[FaithInCrypto]

Blockchain exists because of internet connection right, so if there's no internet connection there's no blockchain I believe. I wonder how are we going to validate transactions if you're not connected to the internet.
I do believe that Bitcoin started because of the internet but I am sure people will find a way to maximize its use even without the use of the internet, I hope.

[Spaffin]

Apparently the question itself sounds wrong or the idea is simply not feasible.  The same can be said of a car that does not need to be refueled, but anyway, but someone wants to use this car without fuel.  One way or another, if there is no gasoline or diesel fuel, then in order to set the car in motion, they will use batteries and electric motors.  Nevertheless, the vehicle remains the same.  But if blockchain exists on the world wide web of the Internet, then no one can use the blockchain without the Internet itself.

[sehoon]

It's going to be a good thing if you can do that kind of solution, to be honest. But as of now, I don't think there's any way to do that. Spending bitcoins or other cryptocurrencies requires the internet. This is not fiat where you can just pull money out of your wallet or out of the bank using your credit card.

[Murat]

Is it really possible? Bitcoin or Blockchain system without Internet access, I don't know how could it be possible? where this chain system is totally dependent on the internet then you raise the question about this issue, but if it could be possible then a lot of people would get a huge service around the remote area, But I think it's possible to run without the Internet, Not only Blockchain or Bitcoin, every digital payment is fully based on the internet connection, so No internet connection, No blockchain, No Bitcoin or Cryptocurrency, and Even No Digital Payment system.

[DabsPoorVersion]

Is it really possible? Bitcoin or Blockchain system without Internet access, I don't know how could it be possible? where this chain system is totally dependent on the internet then you raise the question about this issue, but if it could be possible then a lot of people would get a huge service around the remote area, But I think it's possible to run without the Internet, Not only Blockchain or Bitcoin, every digital payment is fully based on the internet connection, so No internet connection, No blockchain, No Bitcoin or Cryptocurrency, and Even No Digital Payment system.

No, it is still impossible. OP is only thinking of the possibility that it may be a way to advance our way of using bitcoin when it comes to having a problem with the internet connection. Bitcoin blockchain is still dependent on the internet and this idea will only become possible if our technology will advance and improve drastically.

[GideonGono]

Is it really possible? Bitcoin or Blockchain system without Internet access, I don't know how could it be possible? where this chain system is totally dependent on the internet then you raise the question about this issue, but if it could be possible then a lot of people would get a huge service around the remote area, But I think it's possible to run without the Internet, Not only Blockchain or Bitcoin, every digital payment is fully based on the internet connection, so No internet connection, No blockchain, No Bitcoin or Cryptocurrency, and Even No Digital Payment system.

No, it is still impossible. OP is only thinking of the possibility that it may be a way to advance our way of using bitcoin when it comes to having a problem with the internet connection. Bitcoin blockchain is still dependent on the internet and this idea will only become possible if our technology will advance and improve drastically.

Yep. Considering that in order to use the cell towers across the globe or even if you just narrow it down locally you would come to a realization that you need the government's permission to provide internet to the users which is the case of the telecommunication companies you have in your country so having a decentralized internet connection as what the OP is proposing is very unrealistic and would not really happen though I think we don't really need to have such a thing or project if you may call it because there are many ways to mask your internet browsing if you don't want any third party snooping you around.

[nomenclatur]

You can ask a friend you can trust an affordable Internet network is easier and better to just call a friend who is connected to the Internet and provide your data to allow your friends to help you order the withdrawal process in accordance with the number you requested. This means that the best way to not get more complicated.

[White Christmas]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

It would be really hard to establish a bitcoin blockchain if no internet connection is involved, why? Simply because bitcoin is decentralized and it requires an internet connection in order to run the system. And if someone can develop bitcoin or blockchain technology as an access even though without any internet connection then it would be really hard because just like what I have been said bitcoin needs internet to be regulated, because if this internet loss then it would be really a hard problem for us to get some coins or tokens. So the sayings that if you want to regulate bitcoin then you must establish first a very good internet connection.

[IadixDev]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

I already thought about that and i think it could work.

If you break down internet what you have is low level protocols like ip, tcp/udp, which is useless in case of bitcoin because the protocol doesnt dépend on IP address to identify users, and its a message based protocol so it should work on connection-less protocol like udp or even simpler, and the blockchain protocol already allow To check data integrity so it in part redundant with lower layers, and all packets are supposed To be transmitted to all nodes indiscriminally, so there not even a real need for ip layer.

Other part of internet is DNS server, but its mostly used To identify a particular machine as being controlled by the person owning the domain, and blockchain are trustless so doesnt require dns either. All nodes are supposed To have the same data minus few last blocks. Maybe there could be reason To want dns for initial download especially for staking coins to avoid sybil attack.

To me you could perfectly have a system of datagram transmission over very simple radio protocol, and you just need To be in range of at least one node or a few in order To keep synchronized, and you would only need To have a few nodes that have internet for trans continental transactions.

It might require some change to the bitcoin protocol as it is now To be efficient in block propagation and bitcoin protocol as it is still rely on internet To identify seed nodes and have certain part that depend on IP address like for banning or identifying nodes but its not critical and something based directly on cryptography could be used instead.

[Good tbc]

I don't think this will be possible since the Bitcoin block chain Technology was built on the basis of internet for accessibility, investment ,trading .....etc all with the use of internet. It then mean that without internet there would not be assess to your Bitcoin wallet. 

[shark1006]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

I already thought about that and i think it could work.

If you break down internet what you have is low level protocols like ip, tcp/udp, which is useless in case of bitcoin because the protocol doesnt dépend on IP address to identify users, and its a message based protocol so it should work on connection-less protocol like udp or even simpler, and the blockchain protocol already allow To check data integrity so it in part redundant with lower layers, and all packets are supposed To be transmitted to all nodes indiscriminally, so there not even a real need for ip layer.

Other part of internet is DNS server, but its mostly used To identify a particular machine as being controlled by the person owning the domain, and blockchain are trustless so doesnt require dns either. All nodes are supposed To have the same data minus few last blocks. Maybe there could be reason To want dns for initial download especially for staking coins to avoid sybil attack.

To me you could perfectly have a system of datagram transmission over very simple radio protocol, and you just need To be in range of at least one node or a few in order To keep synchronized, and you would only need To have a few nodes that have internet for trans continental transactions.

It might require some change to the bitcoin protocol as it is now To be efficient in block propagation and bitcoin protocol as it is still rely on internet To identify seed nodes and have certain part that depend on IP address like for banning or identifying nodes but its not critical and something based directly on cryptography could be used instead.

And how profitable is your option if you use it directly on cryptography?

[error08]

This is one of the shortcomings of transactions using bitcoin, although an internet connection is not absolutely necessary as mentioned above by using blockstream satellite or radio waves, all you need to set the things up. Even if two parties transact using bitcoin without internet connection using physical bitcoin, the seller has to ensure that the coins really have bitcoin private key inside, which needs the internet.

[tartibaya]

If you don't have electricity, you can't use a credit card. If you don't have electricity, you can't withdraw money from the cash machine. No electricity, no internet. You can't do the things I just said again. I expect the internet to become cheaper and more widespread in the near future. Water is very common and cheap. The Internet will be very common and cheap. Bitcoin will be welcoming us for a very long time;)

[IadixDev]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

I already thought about that and i think it could work.

If you break down internet what you have is low level protocols like ip, tcp/udp, which is useless in case of bitcoin because the protocol doesnt dépend on IP address to identify users, and its a message based protocol so it should work on connection-less protocol like udp or even simpler, and the blockchain protocol already allow To check data integrity so it in part redundant with lower layers, and all packets are supposed To be transmitted to all nodes indiscriminally, so there not even a real need for ip layer.

Other part of internet is DNS server, but its mostly used To identify a particular machine as being controlled by the person owning the domain, and blockchain are trustless so doesnt require dns either. All nodes are supposed To have the same data minus few last blocks. Maybe there could be reason To want dns for initial download especially for staking coins to avoid sybil attack.

To me you could perfectly have a system of datagram transmission over very simple radio protocol, and you just need To be in range of at least one node or a few in order To keep synchronized, and you would only need To have a few nodes that have internet for trans continental transactions.

It might require some change to the bitcoin protocol as it is now To be efficient in block propagation and bitcoin protocol as it is still rely on internet To identify seed nodes and have certain part that depend on IP address like for banning or identifying nodes but its not critical and something based directly on cryptography could be used instead.

And how profitable is your option if you use it directly on cryptography?

With internet IP are attributed by a centralized or hierachised organisation, but there should be ways to do without. The only thing really needed is to identify a node to have directed message like request over a connection that would be directed at one node to have a potentially better distribution of requests or such. Using asymetric cryptography can prove the node answering has the private key that identify the previous messages, and it can be used to have connection-like behavior with several nodes without needing an IP To distiguish them.

[oktana]

I have not been able to think of other ways except to only use paperwallets between users.

But this is also not an active solution because it still requires an online reedem process. Blockstream can be effective if used with networks with each other, but not all users use it and still rely on third parties. We cannot continue to be exclusive and must adapt to what can be used until now.

[perfect999]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

The way some people reason is quite strange . Blockchain is based on the web and cryptocurrency is an Internet money, how exactly do you expect to be making use of something that's meant to be used with an Internet connection offline?

Unless you plan to make use of a wallet that is stored on your device and then look for a way to share some bits from your device, but that's not even possible. This doesn't make any sense, because it's not possible and by the way I don't think there will ever be a need for someone to use cryptocurrency in a place where there is no Internet connection at all.

[Oneandpure]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

The way some people reason is quite strange . Blockchain is based on the web and cryptocurrency is an Internet money, how exactly do you expect to be making use of something that's meant to be used with an Internet connection offline?

Unless you plan to make use of a wallet that is stored on your device and then look for a way to share some bits from your device, but that's not even possible. This doesn't make any sense, because it's not possible and by the way I don't think there will ever be a need for someone to use cryptocurrency in a place where there is no Internet connection at all.

Still not available using bitcoin without internet, almost exchange market need good internet to browsing and sending bitcoin. For trader need super faster internet access because with lower speed of internet they can miss chance with selling and buying altcoin trading, when I want trade I check how faster my internet first, if internet look slow I can't trade for altcoin and bitcoin.

[Gheka]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

The way some people reason is quite strange . Blockchain is based on the web and cryptocurrency is an Internet money, how exactly do you expect to be making use of something that's meant to be used with an Internet connection offline?

Unless you plan to make use of a wallet that is stored on your device and then look for a way to share some bits from your device, but that's not even possible. This doesn't make any sense, because it's not possible and by the way I don't think there will ever be a need for someone to use cryptocurrency in a place where there is no Internet connection at all.

Still not available using bitcoin without internet, almost exchange market need good internet to browsing and sending bitcoin. For trader need super faster internet access because with lower speed of internet they can miss chance with selling and buying altcoin trading, when I want trade I check how faster my internet first, if internet look slow I can't trade for altcoin and bitcoin.

Until now, we still have no way to access blockchain and bitcoin without internet, internet is the source of this technology, without internet, this technology will not work, and I don't understand why some people want to get involved in bitcoin without the internet. Agree that this may help us more convenient in the transaction process but this idea does not seem so suitable when bitcoin and blockchain are high technologies, the internet is necessary, and now that internet coverage is global, we don't need to worry about where we work without internet.

[threadsupport]

Bitcoin blockchain doesn't need internet but it needs a stable network. We are using the internet for Bitcoin as it is the best network solution today. It's possible that one day Bitcoin will have it's own network with several connection possibilities and that the internet will be a side network that is connected to that main network.

[Eugenar]

Bitcoin blockchain doesn't need internet but it needs a stable network. We are using the internet for Bitcoin as it is the best network solution today. It's possible that one day Bitcoin will have it's own network with several connection possibilities and that the internet will be a side network that is connected to that main network.

I see, it's quite ironic to say it doesn't need an internet but a stable network. In the first place, network will run through the world because of Internet, and Internet is the network itself. I don't think there's any more reason to consider having a bitcoin network without an internet as it is the fundamental requirement to connect the people around the world. If we are to think of possible ways, was it infrared? Microwave? no, nothing can be more suitable aside from the internet.

[Asmonist]

I think internet is the main source to transact bitcoin and crypto activitiies. Its basically an online based technology and we cannot deny it for now. Having a connection with blockchain without the internet is somehow complicated. We need internet as we transact and so with those who will receive it. Internet connection today is most likely one of our basic needs.

[kotik085]

Most likely, you just need access to the Internet, because the blockchain cannot open without the existence of the Internet. There is a local network, but they’ve got to it and used the local network of bitcoin. There are no other ways, except that they did not invent a connection to the blockchain chain, without access to the Internet.

[JeffBrad12]

Most likely, you just need access to the Internet, because the blockchain cannot open without the existence of the Internet. There is a local network, but they’ve got to it and used the local network of bitcoin. There are no other ways, except that they did not invent a connection to the blockchain chain, without access to the Internet.

The entireity of the whole blockchain made initially to digitalize currency and to replace the existing traditional currency and the word "digitalize" means it's not so far from internet or rather dependant to internet so it just doesn't make sense to be accessible without internet except there's another way which is utilizing SMS.

[Asuspawer09]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

I think it is difficult to do since we need the internet to access a certain bitcoin wallet like coinbase.com. In order to access the database or the website they have, we are going to need a internet for sure.
Most likely I think the transactions surely need an internet connection to be made in blockchain and even accessing bitcoin wallet need an internet connection so I don't think it is going to be possible this day. But I believed it is possible in some ways.

[wxxyrqa]

Most likely, you just need access to the Internet, because the blockchain cannot open without the existence of the Internet. There is a local network, but they’ve got to it and used the local network of bitcoin. There are no other ways, except that they did not invent a connection to the blockchain chain, without access to the Internet.

The entireity of the whole blockchain made initially to digitalize currency and to replace the existing traditional currency and the word "digitalize" means it's not so far from internet or rather dependant to internet so it just doesn't make sense to be accessible without internet except there's another way which is utilizing SMS.

Even if we assume that it is impossible to reach their cryptocurrency funds that are somehow at a distance and without the Internet, it is quite realistic to implement the idea of ​​communication using SMS notifications.  Only I am sure that in this case all the possible security of the cryptocurrency and personal funds of the user is violated.  I believe that this idea is, in principle, doomed to failure.  If we are talking about high technology, then it’s ridiculous to talk about places where there is no Internet.