I'm Thinking of Bitcoin Blockchain Accessible Without Internet

[Ucy]

There are already people transmitting Bitcoin over radio waves - https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoiners-finland-send-cryptocurrency-radio and other

people put Bitcoin in space, https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-in-space-blockchain-satellite-receives-first-transaction ( Blockstream’s

Blockchain Satellite ) - You do not just need Internet access to transfer bitcoins, but it is so much easier. Another thing people do not think
aboutis the physical transfer of a Paper wallet from one person to the next, but that would be too risky for large amounts and you are restricted to

physical access to the other person to do this.

We could do that with birds and other means.
 
Two locations (locations the birds can't do without) between the sends and receivers could be build for the messenger birds in different towns, cities, countries etc. The locations need to have proper shelters and food for the birds.

The birds would need to be well trained.

[Wintersoldier]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

With the idea of blockchain's public ledger concept, each transaction should be broadcasted to the network and you need to have an internet connection. I am also thinking of the possibility that you could save the transaction then pass it on the network once you have connected, but it will not be efficient. We need real-time interactions of all the nodes that are creating transactions for the fulfillment of the purpose of how secured and efficient blockchain is.

[ice18]

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We could do that with birds and other means. 
Two locations (locations the birds can't do without) between the sends and receivers could be build for the messenger birds in different towns, cities, countries etc. The locations need to have proper shelters and food for the birds.

The birds would need to be well trained. 

You have a very strange and unique idea but we are talking here a bitcoin transaction from one point to another location if we have to use animals like birds this will not too reliable if we consider speed, security, etc., maybe in the future not only satellite can be used but also another more cheap and fast like send bitcoin using sms, Im not sure if there are some people experimenting on using sms. 

[BChydro]

I was not even aware that you will be able to send bitcoin without internet connection and it is news for me and they are using high frequency radio to make transaction is novelty and if there are any restrictions we will see people using this method and it is a real innovative way to make things possible and now i came to know about TxTenna which uses goTenna mesh network.

[bitvalak]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

That means you should try to find an internet connection, as simple as that.
Because it is impossible if in the present and the future of the internet is difficult to find. Bitcoin transactions require an internet connection, and you must accept that.

[sapnu]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

That means you should try to find an internet connection, as simple as that.
Because it is impossible if in the present and the future of the internet is difficult to find. Bitcoin transactions require an internet connection, and you must accept that.

I dont think that's gonna happen because we are accessing cryptocurrency with the use of the internet since it is digital money and can only be accessed through internet connection, but maybe it can happen since technology is innovating time by time, I can say that developers can do that not now but maybe soon. If that happens, they should consider the downsides if the cryptocurrency is offline accessed because volatility is the cryptocurrency's nature how can it change in terms of volume if it is offline.

[Toro2000]

I believe this is possible, but you still need modern smartphone with NFC, and TrustedZone technology.
Being said that I think Microsoft, and PBoC, hold patents for offline transfers of digital currencies over NFC.
Idea is that you can transfer currency offline and when you have Internet connection you upload new state to miners.
This feature is very important to like half of the world today, who don't have Internet connection.

[vintages]

I don't think can be possible that way. Bitcoin is all about Web, internet that is why it is been regarded as the Internet money.
Whatever that has to be digital needs the Internet part to become it. Moreover its more secured that way.
What we should be looking forward to resolve is a means of making Internet connection very accessible to everyone  no matter any location they are. If possible making it free.

[yohananaomi]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

An internet connection is clearly needed as long as you want to have a relationship or a bitcoin transaction, how can you want to do a bitcoin transaction but not using an internet connection that is clearly not possible because a connection is needed for every transaction.
whereas fiat transactions still use the internet, especially with crypto not possible. but now the internet network has advanced and is not difficult like a few years back.

[TRONTON]

I read an article that can carry out transactions according to what the OP wants, with integration from blockstream to download BTC full node, and is associated with GoTenna with a mesh network.

https://www.coindesk.com/gotenna-partners-with-blockstream-satellite-to-make-using-bitcoin-without-an-internet-connection-simpler

but this looks more complicated and is impossible to reach many people at once. In the end we don't need to think complicated and position ourselves with the internet as usual, decentralization also has to adapt to things that are mainstream.

[DreamStage]

Bitcoin is a virtual currency, therefore it requires bytes as data to be processed and virtualized on the network.

Transactions exist within the network therefore the only possible way for them to come are the Internet on this current moment.

Other alternative could be radio frequencies where frequencies would contain a pattern for specific data bytes which would then be transformed.
And from that transformation you could obtain your data.

[minersday]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

Excuse me to say, did you really think of this post before posting it here? This post tells me that you do really know anything about cryptocurrency and how blockchain technology actually works. The internet is the central tool for the establishment of blockchain technology and  cryptocurrency.  The internet is never a third party but just serves as a linkage between computers in any part of the world. Without the internet, you can not make any bitcoin or cryptocurrency transactions because the nature of the entire blockchain network.

[Eugenar]

Bitcoin is a virtual currency, therefore it requires bytes as data to be processed and virtualized on the network.

Transactions exist within the network therefore the only possible way for them to come are the Internet on this current moment.

Other alternative could be radio frequencies where frequencies would contain a pattern for specific data bytes which would then be transformed.
And from that transformation you could obtain your data.

With regards to the range of frequencies available, it is not applicable to have many people transacting over a frequency as it will be congested. In addition, there would be no security enhancement feature where blockchain could be applied. Thus, what is a better idea is to make the internet readily accessible in most areas with low cost and with a low effort of accessing it. Meaning to say that to better implement cryptocurrency transactions, I would prefer to have a free internet over the country. Or open a particular port where the internet could be free for the transaction.

[Ucy]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

Excuse me to say, did you really think of this post before posting it here? This post tells me that you do really know anything about cryptocurrency and how blockchain technology actually works. The internet is the central tool for the establishment of blockchain technology and  cryptocurrency.  The internet is never a third party but just serves as a linkage between computers in any part of the world. Without the internet, you can not make any bitcoin or cryptocurrency transactions because the nature of the entire blockchain network.

You're probably correct. But it's possible to use Bitcoin in areas without the internet. Some people have been able to do it from what I can tell.
The transactions will still require  internet though for verification.  The most important thing is to have available internet in one of the two locations involved in transactions

[gabbie2010]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

If a major breakthrough can be achieved in that aspect of using or accessing blockchain without internet globally then I believed that is a revolution in financial aspect using bitcoin as a payment gateway for transactions, buying of goods and payment of services would be well adopted and its growth would be rapid however to achieve that fate would involve lot of research I am quite optimistic a breakthrough would surely be recorded in aspect in the future.

[bitcampaign]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

You mean the forest, which area does not have internet access, is it in the forest? we know that almost all corners all have internet access, so whether you want to buy tiger meat by paying bitcoin, the question is a little tickling even you should read a lot about bitcoin transactions using SMS or a few others, many of which have been developed and are currently being developed or later, so you don't need to worry about that even if there is a world war, bitcoin can still be used for transactions

[imstillthebest]

your vision was cool  . you have a point there . btc is decentralized and being decentralized mean that it wont depend on any other thing right ? i think that is possible to have a free access on blockchain/crypto based sites just to be able to make transaction  because there were already free sites that we can access even if without an active data promo but you cant almost do anything on these free sites aside from availing paid subsciptions that will be charge soon on you  .

[buwaytress]

The only other tech people haven't mentioned here I think is wireless mesh networks (yes, it's still using radio but not in the way suggested). I'll summarise in a probably very poor description but it's using simple device to device connection... mainly from phones which dont even need to be smartphones from users and hopping from one phone to another until it finds the device connected to the internet (data). Basically works anyplace as long as people are near enough to each other.

I think with enough motivation, using Blockstream satellite is very, very possible too... but I'm not sure if a regular person would want to use that or direct radio.

That mesh network thing could work though. User wouldn't even need to know the mechanics or set it up if he only had a phone.

[audaciousbeing]

What if I'm in an area without internet and I need to spend bitcoins? Wouldn't it help the decentralization principle if bitcoin doesn't depend on third-party internet connection? An internet built on the Bitcoin blockchain should be a possibility.

Your line of thought is something that has been discussed before even on the forum and really its going to be a huge breakthrough should that be possible but note that it will also come at a cost. For instance with the advancement of technology and improvement in banking, its now possible to carry out banking transactions with USSD codes without the need for internet. Withdrawals and transfers can be made without stress but its because the phone number to be used needs to be connected to the bank account. Now that is where the challenge is. Crypto market is one where you protect your information and data to the letter and alternative ways to connect would need more information to connect the user to the wallet. The point is if we want to see that, then we should be ready to share more.

[Firecold4]

Actually bitcoin can be valid without having to use an internet connection but bitcoin must be legally recognized as a legal currency but unfortunately for now bitcoin is heavily criticized by many countries so it is difficult to realize it all