Practical "Self-Exclusion" from Bitcoin Gambling Websites

[Get-Paid.com]

Reading up that thread which the guy somewhat seeking off for that feature.He do blame off the site for him to lose another 500 bucks?
I dont see for any sites that do have this kind of arrangement but you can actually ask them to do but its not really ethical to block out some users account
with funds in it just not to let him proceed or to play?

In the past with KYC websites you could click on 1 button to self-exclude, then they would manually process the withdrawal for you on your behalf to your saved payment details (e.g. card or bank account etc.)

BetBit.com has this self-exclusion policy too, with a click of a button you can close your account, immediately - I have no idea how they handle the client's funds, I assume the client will send an email and will provide a BTC address to get his funds back.

[marlboroza]

Are you speaking on behalf of problem gamblers or on behalf of yourself? Seriously how come this forum is full of people who love to spread nonsense?!?!

What the fuck is your problem monkey?

You opened topic but you want to hear only opinions the same as yours?

Why do you think that you are the only one on this world who knows addicted person?

If you have gambling problem and you want to stop just stop, don't talk about gambling, don't walk near casinos, don't take too much money with you, have someone watch over your funds and stop multishitposting no one wants to read half page filled with your back-to-back posts.

[Get-Paid.com]

Why do you think that you are the only one on this world who knows addicted person?

The last time I checked, I know a few "addicted people" but I wouldn't regard myself as someone "who knows addicted person" - that doesn't sound too well in English.

Now without bearing any further grudge towards you or the others -

1) I suggest you work on your English a little bit better. Please do.
2) This thread is intended for those who want to stop gambling, I hadn't planned on having discussions WHY locking your funds is vital, I was planning on discussing HOW to do it, or how to find better tools to self-exclude yourself from Crypto gambling sites.

That is my problem, and that is a problem silent readers face and can't speak up loud because people like you think we are "monkeys" - well, I'd rather be a monkey, than having to express myself with a broken language like you do.

[marlboroza]

The last time I checked, I know a few "addicted people" but I wouldn't regard myself as someone "who knows addicted person" - that doesn't sound too well in English.

Must be broken English.

I hadn't planned on having discussions WHY locking your funds is vital, I was planning on discussing HOW to do it

And I was telling you why I think your idea is bad. Self-exclusion from sites? That also won't work, most sites will just unblock account and let you gamble.

That is my problem, and that is a problem silent readers face and can't speak up loud because people like you think we are "monkeys" - well, I'd rather be a monkey, than having to express myself with a broken language like you do.

You think it is better to be a monkey, I think it is better to have broken English, but you started it, not me. Now lets see your replies in this thread:

    Either some of the posters here are part of the gambling industry and are trying to portray the situation as if they know how gambling addiction works but they have no sense of how it works whatsoever and intentionally or unintentionally posting a lot of nonsense here
    Or either some posters here genuinely feel like they have to share their 0 experience with gambling addiction - which is again - unhelpful, incorrect and full of lies

You are spreading lies when you say those things don't work - please just stop it.

Seriously, you're causing more harm than doing good with your nonsense.

You don't sound like someone who understands the mindset of a gambling addict

Are you speaking on behalf of problem gamblers or on behalf of yourself? Seriously how come this forum is full of people who love to spread nonsense?!?!

See? It's not problem in people, it's in you.

[aioc]

Majority of the gambling sites or all of it are not only accepting Bitcoin, but they also accept other popular coins in the market, like Ethereum Dogecoin among others, I don't think it will work like all the other people are saying also here, you can even loan to a friend and just pay after you unlock, self-control is still the key factor.

[BigBoy89]

I found through a few of my very addicted friends that is somebody wants to gamble, nothing helps. Not self-exclusions, nor wallet locking, nothing.

Example: I've got a call a few months ago from 'a friend' who self-excluded himself from a casino, didn't resist, sign up over my name to use a non-deposit bonus, won some and wanted my documents for withdrawal verification. Nothing can save or stop a person like him.

It's the same with wallet-locking. YOu can borrow, use non-deposit bonuses, etc.

[Rosilito]

I am not quite sure if this will going to work. Have some changes with your pace, what I mean turn your attention to another thing, like have some another habit play games, read books or whatever. It may sound ridiculous but sometimes it works. Because I believe that you gamble because you don't have anything to focus your attention with. Restraining yourself away from gambling when you don't have anything to do after may bring you a thirst for playing it again that sometimes lead to forcing yourself to have a way. So imo try to change your focus to anything beneficial yet entertaining.

[jrrsparkles]

By locking your Bitcoin for a certain period of time - you would have no immediate access to your funds, you won't be able to gamble with them - and this will create a sort of SELF EXCLUSION with the site you're wishing to avoid using.

If anyone has more insights or feedback in regards to this - I'd be happy to hear it.

You really can't stop your gambling activities by locking your funds for the definite time that you wanted to stop gambling activities. You should bring the change from yourself let your mind accept that we should stop gambling for obvious reasons.Just locking our cryptos funds may not be enough IMO because if we are doing that we may buy cryptos and then start gambling if we can't control ourselves.

https://www.gamblingtherapy.org/en/solid-way-beat-gambling-urge-must-read This article will help us how to calm down when we urge to gambling again and again without any self-control.

[Get-Paid.com]

You really can't stop your gambling activities by locking your funds for the definite time that you wanted to stop gambling activities. You should bring the change from yourself let your mind accept that we should stop gambling for obvious reasons.Just locking our cryptos funds may not be enough.

No one said that locking your funds is the only thing that needs to be done in order to resolve a gambling addiction.

HOWEVER,

If you look at this thread:

https://forum.stake.com/topic/26609-this-site-should-have-a-self-exclusion-option/

This user lost money despite his will to stop. Imagine he would have done the following:

1) Withdraw his Bitcoin from Stake.com which is done instantly as they process instant withdrawals
2) Lock his Bitcoin for 1/2/3/4/5 weeks whatever....

Would he feel better with himself knowing he stopped his activity, and his funds are locked for a certain period of time? By doing so he would have, practically, arrested his addiction - if he has no other funds to use on immediate basis - in some way this solution will protect him and his funds, he will be protected from further losses.

For some reason members in this forum seem to think that I'm implying that simply locking your funds away is a solution for a gambling addiction - I've never said that.

I'm saying this this practical step can help you in times of need - just like this user from the forum in Stake.com - he wanted at that moment to stop, with this option he would be able to stop in a matter of seconds and if it would be easier, technically speaking, to lock your Bitcoin away that would be even better. That's all.

Now regarding stopping completely - this is only the first step.

No addict in the world would say that being passive and locking your funds away is the way to overcome gambling addiction - someone has to be extremely dumb to say something like this - and yes, of course you need to take proactive steps, consultation, discussion with others, reading other books/journals about it, meetings, online books, online meetings, online forums, whatever you feel comfortable with - of course these are necessary steps to be taken.

BUT

You, jrrsparkles, implied that locking your funds is unhelpful, as if it's 100% unhelpful, useless and pointless - and that is I'm afraid - simply untrue, wrong, a biased thing to say that is simply plainly and utterly wrong - I don't care how many times I'm saying it in this thread - I feel like I have to repeat myself because either you guys as readers are seriously extremely dumb and have no reading comprehension whatsoever or you guys have other motives or interests - so I'm kindly asking stop it already, this serves no purpose of doing that. So by all means just stop.

[Ucy]

I guess for the self-exclusion thing to be effective, all gambling centers/websites need to have access to gamblers private information? There is potential risk to privacy in this case.

The better alternative could be to gradually decrease the number of times a gambler gambles in a week, till he stops gambling. Or probably have special applications that prevent you from opening anything related to gambling  on the internet.

[deisik]

By locking your Bitcoin for a certain period of time - you would have no immediate access to your funds, you won't be able to gamble with them - and this will create a sort of SELF EXCLUSION with the site you're wishing to avoid using.

If anyone has more insights or feedback in regards to this - I'd be happy to hear it.

You really can't stop your gambling activities by locking your funds for the definite time that you wanted to stop gambling activities. You should bring the change from yourself let your mind accept that we should stop gambling for obvious reasons.Just locking our cryptos funds may not be enough IMO because if we are doing that we may buy cryptos and then start gambling if we can't control ourselves

I've been thinking about it for a while

Initially, I thought about OP's idea as something useless but pretty much harmless on its own. Now I changed my mind. In fact, I no longer see it as innocuous as it appears at first sight. How come? The problem is, if an addicted gambler who seriously wants to quit his addiction tries to implement this approach (like locking his funds, etc), he is not actually solving his problem for real and for good. Instead, he is only aggravating it because he comes to think after a while he is cured, and that gives him false confidence as well as unfounded self-assurance. Then he inevitably relapses, and with a vengeance at that, ending up in an even worse situation than before

[Get-Paid.com]

I guess for the self-exclusion thing to be effective, all gambling centers/websites need to have access to gamblers private information? There is potential risk to privacy in this case.

Gamstop exists in the UK and only applies to UK sites, but why would Bitcoin sites be required to do that? It's firstly impossible and secondly not feasible.

The solution is putting the control in the gambler's hands, not the casino - lock your funds away, yourself - this way you won't bet with those funds. As easy as it sounds.

The better alternative could be to gradually decrease the number of times a gambler gambles in a week, till he stops gambling. Or probably have special applications that prevent you from opening anything related to gambling  on the internet.

You could try Gamblock but the software has lots of flaws, I wouldn't use it as a solution if you ask me.

Initially, I thought about OP's idea as something useless but pretty much harmless on its own. Now I changed my mind. In fact, I no longer see it as innocuous as it appears at first sight. How come? The problem is, if an addicted gambler who seriously wants to quit his addiction tries to implement this approach (like locking his funds, etc), he is not actually solving his problem for real and for good. Instead, he is only aggravating it because he comes to think after a while he is cured, and that gives him false confidence as well as unfounded self-assurance. Then he inevitably relapses, and with a vengeance at that, ending up in an even worse situation than before

Seriously, what a load of crap, haha .... thanks for making me laugh though ... ok, so from your point of view it seems that locking funds will cause only damage to the gambler, it's harmful and dangerous, haha ... okay, that's honestly a good joke, I initially thought you have at least some common sense, now I'm pretty sure you don't.

[fortunecrypto]

Even if the Bitcoin is locked there is still no guaranty that he will not play, he can use his other coins to play, he can ask for loans or he will use his savings or his salary to buy Bitcoin, a chronic gambler even in the absence of fund will find a way to gamble, remember in an offline casinos there are loan shark that will readily give you loan so you can continuously play.

[Get-Paid.com]

Even if the Bitcoin is locked there is still no guaranty that he will not play, he can use his other coins to play, he can ask for loans or he will use his savings or his salary to buy Bitcoin, a chronic gambler even in the absence of fund will find a way to gamble, remember in an offline casinos there are loan shark that will readily give you loan so you can continuously play.

Anyone who keeps on posting the same repeated stuff for no reason - please read post #30 in this thread, especially the bold text - please read it before posting to save other readers time and hassles from reading the same repeated stuff.

Please don't post before reading the bold text in post #30 because otherwise you're causing hassles to other readers who want to read this thread without having to repeatedly go through the same thing over and over and over again for no reason.

[marlboroza]

Just to drop one example of self-exclusion from gambling site, site is regulated and players can exclude themselves for max 30 days:



After ticking option number 3) 30 days and hitting "exclude me" button", I got message that I have been self-excluded for 30 days and that I can't "gamble":



Of course, there is "cancel" button, so after I self-excluded myself, I pushed that button and I got following message:



Translated "would you like to cancel "self exclusion"? You will be able to play right away"

After clicking button on the right, self-exclusion is canceled and I can gamble again. So how about that?? Of course, many gambling sites don't have that option and what I already said:

most sites will just unblock account and let you gamble.

Besides, you can always exclude yourself from one gambling site and go to next one, self exclusion won't work.

So, unplug yourself from internet, go outside, spend time with friends and family, find yourself a hobby and:

don't talk about gambling, don't walk near casinos, don't take too much money with you, have someone watch over your funds

[Get-Paid.com]

Besides, you can always exclude yourself from one gambling site and go to next one, self exclusion won't work.

Which is why the suggestion given in this thread is putting you in control of your funds and not being controlled by website A or website B.
You lock your funds, not your gambling account.
And you do so because those sites cannot really self-exclude yourself with Bitcoin.

PS any website that is allowing you to break self-exclusion as you've shown can be subject to legal lawsuits in certain jurisdictions.

[jrrsparkles]

You really can't stop your gambling activities by locking your funds for the definite time that you wanted to stop gambling activities. You should bring the change from yourself let your mind accept that we should stop gambling for obvious reasons.Just locking our cryptos funds may not be enough.

No one said that locking your funds is the only thing that needs to be done in order to resolve a gambling addiction.

BUT

You, jrrsparkles, implied that locking your funds is unhelpful, as if it's 100% unhelpful, useless and pointless - and that is I'm afraid - simply untrue, wrong, a biased thing to say that is simply plainly and utterly wrong - I don't care how many times I'm saying it in this thread - I feel like I have to repeat myself because either you guys as readers are seriously extremely dumb and have no reading comprehension whatsoever or you guys have other motives or interests - so I'm kindly asking stop it already, this serves no purpose of doing that. So by all means just stop.

I'm respecting your suggestions about solving gambling addiction I just said locking funds will not be enough we have to bring change into ourselves like you said by being active on other things which maybe anything depends on each personal.Don't stick with your opinion alone let's see what the community thinks about your idea which is the reason why forums are created for.

[Ucy]

The locking of gambling addicts Bitcoin is a good idea too. But I think the owner of the locked Bitcoin may sell fiat to buy another Bitcoin when the addiction kicks in. But if he ends up locking all his funds, he probably won't have any money to pay bills, money for food, fare, etc

[Duzter]

When it is possible for us to self exclude it will be possible to get back to the usage of the same gambling websites. This way everything is the mind that decides how we need to limit ourselves from the usage of gambling websites. There is an feature available with few gambling websites named vault. Here we can keep our funds, and this can't be used for gambling. We need to verify to make use of it. Thi is as simple as verifying through gmail. So I don't think locking the funds will restrict from gambling.

[shoreno]

There is an feature available with few gambling websites named vault. Here we can keep our funds, and this can't be used for gambling. We need to verify to make use of it. Thi is as simple as verifying through gmail. So I don't think locking the funds will restrict from gambling.

you said funds on the vault cant be used for gambling  ? but at the end you said that locking funds wont help restrict you from playing  . actually the last sentence is true  . no one can help you restrict from playing because no matter how you keep your coins but as long as your addiction or urge to play kicks in , you will always find a way to open and get your funds back or you will find other way to make money so that you can play again  but atleast by using vault or alike will make your self a hassel to think that youl become lazy to play again  . it works for me tho