Re: ✅ Paradice.in | 🍀 Provably Fair 🎲 | Rain☔| 30 sec Faucet | 1% House Edge

[semobo]

Of course, I'm not cheating.
I was suspected of being a bot, but I don't have that knowledge.
But did Paradise.in accept the loss because it ignored me?
Or are you testing things?

Hello!

As we discussed previously, we had to do a check on faucet abuse from your side.

Although we didn't have specific rules on withdrawal from bonuses at that point, we see your disproportional withdrawal of $7000 without any deposit as faucet abuse.
We assume that you use casino  bonuses as a source of income, by farming bonuses at various places.

We will reward you $100, this is as much as we can got for free bonus farming, although we could have reserved the right to cancel your withdrawal completely because clearly you used bonus system to your advantage, and not for a demonstrational purposes as it was intended to be used when we created it.

We understand your frustration, but just try putting yourself in our shoes and think if it will be appropriate to see you as a client, and not a bonus abuser.

With all due respect, please refrain from accusing us of scam as we have great reputation with our clients, while we don't tolerate bonus abuse of any kind.
Although we didn't have "$100 maw withdrawal from bonuses without deposit" policy at that time, we had a point about faucet abuse in our T&S.

I hope that other projects will treat you better, as clearly you do have a system for gathering large money from bonuses.

So what is your definition of faucet abuse?
I think "faucet abuse" means having multiple accounts, getting illegally, or exceeding the faucet limit.
Where does it apply
I'm not using a faucet with multiple accounts
There is a daily limit on the faucets on your site, right?
Of course, you can't use more than the limit.
I haven't used Faucet to the point of "abuse I think" in the past.
And is it an abuse of the faucet just to withdraw the $ 7,000 earned from the faucet?

Is it okay to withdraw $ 200? The definition around it is also vague and unclear.
If you can't make a profit using the bonus system, isn't it the same for others?

If I'm using BOT and earning money, I might stop it fraudulently, but if not, I think I'm a customer.

I don't think it's a well-received site, at least as far as I know.
Does it say it has tools and BOT?
If so, why can you decide?

Did they mention about the faucets and bonus should be used only for a demo which is not real money? I don't get their point either, as I suggested you should create a scam accusation and wait for the DT members opinion about paradice action and their definition of abuse in this case.

[numanoid]

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Well i found something interesting with your T&S,

I read your T&S and it says like this

Faucet is a kind of regular bonus that you can receive multiple times each day. The amount of bonuses you can receive from Faucet depends on your VIP rank. The basic amount of Faucet bonuses is 10 per 24 hours.

To get faucet follow the bonus page, select coin and click “get the bonus”. Your balance in this coin type must be zero.

Only one account and IP subnet can be used for faucet. If you can’t receive the bonus, it means you have other Paradice accounts on your IP or subnet.

Any attempts of faucet abuse will be subject to an evaluation by the support team.

Your T&S hasn't said about user can't withdraw certain amount from your faucet. It only saying any attempts of faucet abuse, but it didn't said we can't withdraw any winning amount from faucet. Correct?

[Bitinity]

As we discussed previously, we had to do a check on faucet abuse from your side.

Although we didn't have specific rules on withdrawal from bonuses at that point, we see your disproportional withdrawal of $7000 without any deposit as faucet abuse.

Would you say the same thing "faucet abuse" if someone win thousands of dollars with 1 time faucet claim only? Would you judge the user as faucet abuser even though he win it with 1 faucet claim? Faucet abuse should not be something that is being considered by the win amount from the faucet but it should be related to what users do with the faucet. e.g. claiming it more than what is allowed, having multiple accounts, etc.

We assume that you use casino  bonuses as a source of income, by farming bonuses at various places.

Come on, do you have a proof that he is using faucet as source of income by farming it at many places? As a casino owner, you should provide valid evidences once you accuse your players as abuser and you cant judge your players do it at various places if you have no proofs at all.

We will reward you $100, this is as much as we can got for free bonus farming, although we could have reserved the right to cancel your withdrawal completely because clearly you used bonus system to your advantage, and not for a demonstrational purposes as it was intended to be used when we created it.

We understand your frustration, but just try putting yourself in our shoes and think if it will be appropriate to see you as a client, and not a bonus abuser.

With all due respect, please refrain from accusing us of scam as we have great reputation with our clients, while we don't tolerate bonus abuse of any kind.
Although we didn't have "$100 maw withdrawal from bonuses without deposit" policy at that time, we had a point about faucet abuse in our T&S.

I hope that other projects will treat you better, as clearly you do have a system for gathering large money from bonuses.

You keep saying "abuse" but you have no proofs and you judge him to have a system to get large money from bonuses? Lets use our logic, if someone own such kind of system, he/she wont do it with faucet only as he/she may earn more with deposit at least small amount of money.
Coincidently after this case you try to boost your reputation by asking your players to leave a feedback here in this thread and offers them few thousands satoshi as the rewards. I believe people understands about what is the main purpose behind this sudden offer after the case of above user who won a lot of money from faucet.

[thsceptic]

As we discussed previously, we had to do a check on faucet abuse from your side.

Although we didn't have specific rules on withdrawal from bonuses at that point, we see your disproportional withdrawal of $7000 without any deposit as faucet abuse.

Would you say the same thing "faucet abuse" if someone win thousands of dollars with 1 time faucet claim only? Would you judge the user as faucet abuser even though he win it with 1 faucet claim? Faucet abuse should not be something that is being considered by the win amount from the faucet but it should be related to what users do with the faucet. e.g. claiming it more than what is allowed, having multiple accounts, etc.

We assume that you use casino  bonuses as a source of income, by farming bonuses at various places.

Come on, do you have a proof that he is using faucet as source of income by farming it at many places? As a casino owner, you should provide valid evidences once you accuse your players as abuser and you cant judge your players do it at various places if you have no proofs at all.

We will reward you $100, this is as much as we can got for free bonus farming, although we could have reserved the right to cancel your withdrawal completely because clearly you used bonus system to your advantage, and not for a demonstrational purposes as it was intended to be used when we created it.

We understand your frustration, but just try putting yourself in our shoes and think if it will be appropriate to see you as a client, and not a bonus abuser.

With all due respect, please refrain from accusing us of scam as we have great reputation with our clients, while we don't tolerate bonus abuse of any kind.
Although we didn't have "$100 maw withdrawal from bonuses without deposit" policy at that time, we had a point about faucet abuse in our T&S.

I hope that other projects will treat you better, as clearly you do have a system for gathering large money from bonuses.

You keep saying "abuse" but you have no proofs and you judge him to have a system to get large money from bonuses? Lets use our logic, if someone own such kind of system, he/she wont do it with faucet only as he/she may earn more with deposit at least small amount of money.
Coincidently after this case you try to boost your reputation by asking your players to leave a feedback here in this thread and offers them few thousands satoshi as the rewards. I believe people understands about what is the main purpose behind this sudden offer after the case of above user who won a lot of money from faucet.

Exactly. Not only that paradice also impose max cash out rule (from faucet) after user asked for cash out. Instead of paying him 7000$ paradice shamelessly offer him 100$ for his strategy. I have given negative trust to paradise and I assume more negative trusts will fall soon.

[Cratoon]

If I'm using BOT and earning money, I might stop it fraudulently, but if not, I think I'm a customer.

Well, we disagree. Clearly, you were systematically using bonus system to gain large benefit and not using it for test-play as it was intended to be used.

While we process small amounts of withdrawals from bonus wins, the $7000 is out of the question. That is our position.

It seems like you don't want $100 either.


FYI  this person used bonus about 100 times doing it every day systematically, then he went into LightSpeed mode placing total of 1810488 bets to pump his VIP rank towards the reward which he used to pump that amount in LightSpeed accessible for our higher VIP ranks.

We still haven't checked if this is hes only account, as we have a lot on our hands lately.

[semobo]

If I'm using BOT and earning money, I might stop it fraudulently, but if not, I think I'm a customer.

Well, we disagree. Clearly, you were systematically using bonus system to gain large benefit and not using it for test-play as it was intended to be used.

While we process small amounts of withdrawals from bonus wins, the $7000 is out of the question. That is our position.

It seems like you don't want $100 either.


FYI  this person used bonus about 100 times doing it every day systematically, then he went into LightSpeed mode placing total of 1810488 bets to pump his VIP rank towards the reward which he used to pump that amount in LightSpeed accessible for our higher VIP ranks.

We still haven't checked if this is hes only account, as we have a lot on our hands lately.

So you don't allow members to keep betting as long as they are winning, I don't know what kind of abuse you are talking about. If you never wanted the players to cashout their rewards then why you are allowing with them to bet?

You are putting your reputation as stake now.

[pippipipipi]

If I'm using BOT and earning money, I might stop it fraudulently, but if not, I think I'm a customer.

Well, we disagree. Clearly, you were systematically using bonus system to gain large benefit and not using it for test-play as it was intended to be used.

While we process small amounts of withdrawals from bonus wins, the $7000 is out of the question. That is our position.

It seems like you don't want $100 either.


FYI  this person used bonus about 100 times doing it every day systematically, then he went into LightSpeed mode placing total of 1810488 bets to pump his VIP rank towards the reward which he used to pump that amount in LightSpeed accessible for our higher VIP ranks.

We still haven't checked if this is hes only account, as we have a lot on our hands lately.

However, there were no specific rules for the bonus system.
I didn't write anything that hinted at test play.
Also, it is written in the Q & A "How to play", right?
"To start playing, make a deposit or add a free bonus to fill your balance."

Paradice.in is a website where people decide to withdraw money.

I don't know your answer, so you don't need $ 100.
And you intended to add $ 100 to your balance, right? He said he didn't need $ 100 if he didn't know if he could withdraw.
Do you have the same problem again?

I think it's 100 times in total. There is an upper limit, so it is not 100 times a day.

Isn't it normal?
As your VIP rank goes up, you can use faster betting speeds, so you just switched, right?

And even if it's my only account, you're not going to look for anything else wrong and withdraw, right?
Suspect BOT first, and if it's different, say abuse of the faucet..
You're looking for a reason why you can't withdraw something, right?
Do you think you can forgive with just such excuses?

And you aren't telling me the definition of faucet abuse.
It is cowardly not to answer that it is inconvenient.
Some people are more angry.

[pippipipipi]

Of course, I'm not cheating.
I was suspected of being a bot, but I don't have that knowledge.
But did Paradise.in accept the loss because it ignored me?
Or are you testing things?

Hello!

As we discussed previously, we had to do a check on faucet abuse from your side.

Although we didn't have specific rules on withdrawal from bonuses at that point, we see your disproportional withdrawal of $7000 without any deposit as faucet abuse.
We assume that you use casino  bonuses as a source of income, by farming bonuses at various places.

We will reward you $100, this is as much as we can got for free bonus farming, although we could have reserved the right to cancel your withdrawal completely because clearly you used bonus system to your advantage, and not for a demonstrational purposes as it was intended to be used when we created it.

We understand your frustration, but just try putting yourself in our shoes and think if it will be appropriate to see you as a client, and not a bonus abuser.

With all due respect, please refrain from accusing us of scam as we have great reputation with our clients, while we don't tolerate bonus abuse of any kind.
Although we didn't have "$100 maw withdrawal from bonuses without deposit" policy at that time, we had a point about faucet abuse in our T&S.

I hope that other projects will treat you better, as clearly you do have a system for gathering large money from bonuses.

So what is your definition of faucet abuse?
I think "faucet abuse" means having multiple accounts, getting illegally, or exceeding the faucet limit.
Where does it apply
I'm not using a faucet with multiple accounts
There is a daily limit on the faucets on your site, right?
Of course, you can't use more than the limit.
I haven't used Faucet to the point of "abuse I think" in the past.
And is it an abuse of the faucet just to withdraw the $ 7,000 earned from the faucet?

Is it okay to withdraw $ 200? The definition around it is also vague and unclear.
If you can't make a profit using the bonus system, isn't it the same for others?

If I'm using BOT and earning money, I might stop it fraudulently, but if not, I think I'm a customer.

I don't think it's a well-received site, at least as far as I know.
Does it say it has tools and BOT?
If so, why can you decide?

Did they mention about the faucets and bonus should be used only for a demo which is not real money? I don't get their point either, as I suggested you should create a scam accusation and wait for the DT members opinion about paradice action and their definition of abuse in this case.

I'm sorry to be late!
I was hoping that it could be solved here.
Should I create a fraud accusation after all?
Even if I talk here, it won't be solved immediately, so should I get other people's opinions?

[semobo]

Did they mention about the faucets and bonus should be used only for a demo which is not real money? I don't get their point either, as I suggested you should create a scam accusation and wait for the DT members opinion about paradice action and their definition of abuse in this case.

I'm sorry to be late!
I was hoping that it could be solved here.
Should I create a fraud accusation after all?
Even if I talk here, it won't be solved immediately, so should I get other people's opinions?

Paradice already gave their response which is not acceptable at all so you won't get any further improvement with your case on this thread in my opinion. Yes you are allowed to create a scam accusation with all the necessary proof where DT members will take care of this issue.

[AceFairy]

Of course, I'm not cheating.
I was suspected of being a bot, but I don't have that knowledge.
But did Paradise.in accept the loss because it ignored me?
Or are you testing things?

Hello!

As we discussed previously, we had to do a check on faucet abuse from your side.

Although we didn't have specific rules on withdrawal from bonuses at that point, we see your disproportional withdrawal of $7000 without any deposit as faucet abuse.
We assume that you use casino  bonuses as a source of income, by farming bonuses at various places.

We will reward you $100, this is as much as we can got for free bonus farming, although we could have reserved the right to cancel your withdrawal completely because clearly you used bonus system to your advantage, and not for a demonstrational purposes as it was intended to be used when we created it.

We understand your frustration, but just try putting yourself in our shoes and think if it will be appropriate to see you as a client, and not a bonus abuser.

With all due respect, please refrain from accusing us of scam as we have great reputation with our clients, while we don't tolerate bonus abuse of any kind.
Although we didn't have "$100 maw withdrawal from bonuses without deposit" policy at that time, we had a point about faucet abuse in our T&S.

I hope that other projects will treat you better, as clearly you do have a system for gathering large money from bonuses.

So what is your definition of faucet abuse?
I think "faucet abuse" means having multiple accounts, getting illegally, or exceeding the faucet limit.
Where does it apply
I'm not using a faucet with multiple accounts
There is a daily limit on the faucets on your site, right?
Of course, you can't use more than the limit.
I haven't used Faucet to the point of "abuse I think" in the past.
And is it an abuse of the faucet just to withdraw the $ 7,000 earned from the faucet?

Is it okay to withdraw $ 200? The definition around it is also vague and unclear.
If you can't make a profit using the bonus system, isn't it the same for others?

If I'm using BOT and earning money, I might stop it fraudulently, but if not, I think I'm a customer.

I don't think it's a well-received site, at least as far as I know.
Does it say it has tools and BOT?
If so, why can you decide?

Did they mention about the faucets and bonus should be used only for a demo which is not real money? I don't get their point either, as I suggested you should create a scam accusation and wait for the DT members opinion about paradice action and their definition of abuse in this case.

I'm sorry to be late!
I was hoping that it could be solved here.
Should I create a fraud accusation after all?
Even if I talk here, it won't be solved immediately, so should I get other people's opinions?

pleace public your method of betting, i am gonna abuse the F out of this den of thieves, parascam

[pippipipipi]

pleace public your method of betting, i am gonna abuse the F out of this den of thieves, parascam

It's okay to publish it, but just taunting it here doesn't help.
I have filed a new fraud accusation, and I hope it can be resolved there.
The curse here does not help solve it. If you are also victimized, we recommend that you file a fraudulent accusation.
sorry.

[Stalker22]

While we process small amounts of withdrawals from bonus wins, the $7000 is out of the question. That is our position.

So, all that cherry tree stuff is bullshit when someone wins big? Shouldn't that have been in your Terms of Service from the start?
Btw, I saw this in your ANN post:


Isn't it a little bit ironic?

We still haven't checked if this is hes only account, as we have a lot on our hands lately.

I kind of doubt this. Wouldn't that be your first argument to refuse to pay a user if you had that against him?

[pippipipipi]

While we process small amounts of withdrawals from bonus wins, the $7000 is out of the question. That is our position.

So, all that cherry tree stuff is bullshit when someone wins big? Shouldn't that have been in your Terms of Service from the start?
Btw, I saw this in your ANN post:
https://i.imgur.com/dJJdCpy.png

Isn't it a little bit ironic?

We still haven't checked if this is hes only account, as we have a lot on our hands lately.

I kind of doubt this. Wouldn't that be your first argument to refuse to pay a user if you had that against him?

What an irony!
I got a bonus and won, but I don't get any prize money! lol

[thsceptic]

While we process small amounts of withdrawals from bonus wins, the $7000 is out of the question. That is our position.

So, all that cherry tree stuff is bullshit when someone wins big? Shouldn't that have been in your Terms of Service from the start?
Btw, I saw this in your ANN post:


Isn't it a little bit ironic?

We still haven't checked if this is hes only account, as we have a lot on our hands lately.

I kind of doubt this. Wouldn't that be your first argument to refuse to pay a user if you had that against him?

What an irony!
I got a bonus and won, but I don't get any prize money! lol

Open a flag straight away. I will support it, lets weed out these kind of cheap scammers from our system.

[numanoid]

Open a flag straight away. I will support it, lets weed out these kind of cheap scammers from our system.

No use. But he made a scam accusation thread about paradice https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5325305.0 you can write what you want on there
I just only see paradice only trying to find excuse about how to handle this "faucet abuse".

[FatFork]

I just only see paradice only trying to find excuse about how to handle this "faucet abuse".

If the player just played by a faucet and won, I don't think it's a faucet abuse. The Paradice should really explain better what kind of abuse it was exactly.
I checked their Terms of Use and FAQ, there is no mention anywhere that faucet winnings cannot be withdrawn. Moreover, they have already stated that they allow smaller amounts won from the faucet to be withdrawn, so this is clearly a mistake on their part.

I can't help but wonder what would happen if someone deposited a small amount and got incredibly lucky to win such a substantial amount? Would they still deny the withdrawal? How would that be different from the current situation?

[pippipipipi]

If the player just played by a faucet and won, I don't think it's a faucet abuse. The Paradice should really explain better what kind of abuse it was exactly.
I checked their Terms of Use and FAQ, there is no mention anywhere that faucet winnings cannot be withdrawn. Moreover, they have already stated that they allow smaller amounts won from the faucet to be withdrawn, so this is clearly a mistake on their part.

I can't help but wonder what would happen if someone deposited a small amount and got incredibly lucky to win such a substantial amount? Would they still deny the withdrawal? How would that be different from the current situation?

Faucet abuse is mentioned, but the definition of abuse is unclear.

In our understanding, Faucet Abuse is defined by a systematic use of bonuses to get a large advantage over the gambling house. This person have admitted in previous posts in our main thread that he uses other website faucets, hes friends do too, and judging from the faucet and bet logs he had a system. He used the full amount of faucets, pumped the VIP rank by making tens of millions of low risk bets, tried to split hes withdrawal in several smaller withdrawals to bypass our abuse detection system.

It seems like that.
I don't think it's organizational because this is my first time.
We are not sharing information or sharing accounts with multiple people.
Perhaps even a small deposit is suspected of fraud and cannot be withdrawn?
Also, there is no guarantee of terms of use, so there is no guarantee that you can withdraw money, right? lol

[semobo]

I can't help but wonder what would happen if someone deposited a small amount and got incredibly lucky to win such a substantial amount? Would they still deny the withdrawal? How would that be different from the current situation?

In most of the casinos, they will try to file some kind of allegations against them and will hold their winnings, very few casinos are allowing people to take whatever they are winning so casinos that are involved in shady activities should be taken care of DT community but in this case it seems not much of them interested.

[numanoid]

I just only see paradice only trying to find excuse about how to handle this "faucet abuse".

If the player just played by a faucet and won, I don't think it's a faucet abuse. The Paradice should really explain better what kind of abuse it was exactly.
I checked their Terms of Use and FAQ, there is no mention anywhere that faucet winnings cannot be withdrawn. Moreover, they have already stated that they allow smaller amounts won from the faucet to be withdrawn, so this is clearly a mistake on their part.

I can't help but wonder what would happen if someone deposited a small amount and got incredibly lucky to win such a substantial amount? Would they still deny the withdrawal? How would that be different from the current situation?

Yea, that's why i said they are trying to excuse about this problem. If their ToS said we are not eligible withdraw or winning amount from faucet can't be withdrawn , this won,'f caused this problem

[semobo]

I just only see paradice only trying to find excuse about how to handle this "faucet abuse".

If the player just played by a faucet and won, I don't think it's a faucet abuse. The Paradice should really explain better what kind of abuse it was exactly.
I checked their Terms of Use and FAQ, there is no mention anywhere that faucet winnings cannot be withdrawn. Moreover, they have already stated that they allow smaller amounts won from the faucet to be withdrawn, so this is clearly a mistake on their part.

I can't help but wonder what would happen if someone deposited a small amount and got incredibly lucky to win such a substantial amount? Would they still deny the withdrawal? How would that be different from the current situation?

Yea, that's why i said they are trying to excuse about this problem. If their ToS said we are not eligible withdraw or winning amount from faucet can't be withdrawn , this won,'f caused this problem

Exactly, if they don't want to avoid people who want to bet with the faucet rewards or winning with them and keep winning is prohibited then they should not allowed such person to bet or should the limits are mentioned in their site but none of them available still they call it as abuse which is nit acceptable though.