Ban evasion by scammy DT member - please permaban account - case #1

[wolwoo]

ok there are a few things going on in this situation which I believe the mods and admin should take into consideration before passing judgement:

1) goraset (he admitted this himself) did copy paste an entry on medium website for a bounty submission in the past (circa 2017), which happened outside of this forum, for this he got a neg rating from multiple members already, and this is the primary reason for the ongoing beef some members including Marlboroza have with him for several years..
He apologized for this infraction, said he was new to bounties at the time; what I note from that encounter is that he gave me some examples of many members back in those times, using copy pasted / plagiarized entries for bounty articles, and yet to his knowledge he was the only one who got a neg rating for an identical bounty submission... (I think the reasoning was that his own entries were submitted as links by other people and they got paid, so he had to resort to same in cutthroat competition of 2017 bounty environment)...

I'm just pointing all these out for 1 time as context because lack of interest and defense by some Turkish members on these incessant dramas should not be interpreted as a tacit admission to anything...  

2) the_doctor account: it's the first I ever heard of this account, but goraset recently gave a sincere explanation about this in Turkish which some members have already translated in part, take it for what it's worth.

3) All in all goraset strikes me as an intelligent rational human being with diverse and net positive contributions to the forum. He has made a mistake in the past, which he paid for by being blacklisted from bounties for 2-3 years (and counting). The fact remains that especially during bull runs, the bounties become extremely significant income sources in many parts of the developing world. It's not so outlandish and bizarre as some might think, that in these cases some knowledgeable members invite their brothers, cousins, close friends, wives and girlfriends   to open new accounts and partake from the financial potential presented by the crypto space.

If later one of these side / alt / indirectly related accounts or whatever you call it makes a dire mistake and gets banned, should you go hunting the original account owner, who introduced all these people into the world of crypto currencies, and make him suffer as well ?..

This seems to be the most likely scenario in goraset's case, although it's not my style to pursue these details like an obsessed detective, so it's up to the staff & admin to decide naturally.


All the Best

very nice @Vispilio 
I hope @goraset will remain and benefit from your friendship, knowledge and experience.

I haven't merit, sorry bro
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205906.0 

[suchmoon]

He apologized for this infraction

Definitely not copy and paste, only some of the sentences are similar, same project and  similar sentences, it's normal I think

Which part of that sounds like an apology?

Or is this the apology?


Edited 2020-11-30 to fix a broken image

Or did he apologize (for something he definitely didn't do) at some point later somewhere else, where the affected parties can't see it perhaps?

[marlboroza]

So scammer and liar writes text wall and some users take that as a proof that they are telling the truth

1) goraset (he admitted this himself) did copy paste an entry on medium website for a bounty submission in the past (circa 2017), which happened outside of this forum

...something mday used to say.

1) goraset (he admitted this himself) did copy paste an entry on medium website for a bounty submission

So you didn't read thread? They did not admit anything and it was more than one case of stealing.

Side note: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5196651.msg52907237#msg52907237. No merit for 3 high-level connected accounts(cheating, plagiarism, ban) ?

Double standards!  

~

Oh, why bothering with anything here, smart person once said:

if you are going to take a large system with includes scammers, and you decentralize that system's trust, some of those scammers are going to wind up on default trust.

Source: possibly KWH

source: bpip.org

I can't find threads and 2 posts worth 50 + 10 merits:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2002907.msg30794935#msg30794935
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2932403.msg26690120#msg26690120

Does anyone know why are threads removed and 2 posts worth many merits disappeared? I would like to read post worth 50 merits, it must be great post!

[suchmoon]

Does anyone know why are threads removed and 2 posts worth many merits disappeared? I would like to read post worth 50 merits, it must be great post!

"Sending merits to a cousin and a friend is not forbidden"

Just saving our Turkish friends some time here so that they don't have to type that excuse.

[suchmoon]

everyone in the same position

What position? Everyone sends 50 merits to their cousin? Is LTU_btc my alt?

Try spending more than 30 seconds on your next post and figure out an excuse for goraset without resorting to fallacies. I bet you can't do it.

[marlboroza]

Great analogy! 

[wolwoo]

everyone in the same position

What position? Everyone sends 50 merits to their cousin? Is LTU_btc my alt?

Try spending more than 30 seconds on your next post and figure out an excuse for goraset without resorting to fallacies. I bet you can't do it.

Does anyone know why are threads removed and 2 posts worth many merits disappeared? I would like to read post worth 50 merits, it must be great post!

"Sending merits to a cousin and a friend is not forbidden"

Just saving our Turkish friends some time here so that they don't have to type that excuse.

you may not have a alt account (maybe) they know (marlboroza and timelord)
I have been accused of a lot of

You're talking about sending it to your "friend and cousin", you're kidding for turkish "friends"
then you send 50 merits to an ordinary message

there is also no difference between sending pieces and sending them all at once

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=suchmoon

[marlboroza]

you may not have a alt account (maybe) they know (marlboroza and timelord)
I have been accused of a lot of

Perhaps you should go to thread where someone accused you of being someone's alt account to talk about accusation about being someone's alt account.

Stop spamming this thread for yoshit signature purposes.
I just figured that I missed something in this post:

tl;dr:

I opened criproturk and the_doctor from the accounts mentioned in the title. I used the_doctor in a while. But I gave one to my cousin and one to my friend at the time of the bounty. I helped them learn the job. Sometimes we used the same address in both accounts

Cool story.

Cousin/friend has the same voice as goraset?

[suchmoon]

without resorting to fallacies. I bet you can't do it.

whataboutism non sequitur false equivalence

I win, pay up.

[wolwoo]

Stop spamming this thread for yoshit signature purposes.

yobit's signature requires 5 posts daily
today 34th my post
this is 35.

If you write it properly, I will take care of it.
avoid accusations that do not give you the right to answer.

[marlboroza]

yobit's signature requires 5 posts daily
today 34th my post
this is 35.

Fair enough. You have exceeded your daily post quota so see you tomorrow then.

[wolwoo]

without resorting to fallacies. I bet you can't do it.

whataboutism non sequitur false equivalence

I win, pay up.

I remember seeing similar activity calculator few years, but now I can't find, maybe it doesn't works anymore. After release of merit system, activity isn't such important thing anymore, but it's still interesting to check estimated date when you can rank up. So, thanks for making it.
One fun thing related to this topic - theymos told that I would have received Legendary status at lowest possible activity. So, I was just one week away from Legendary rank when merit system was released lol.

Where is 50 merit quality?

yobit's signature requires 5 posts daily
today 34th my post
this is 35.

Fair enough. You have exceeded your daily post quota so see you tomorrow then.

if you thirst.....

[suchmoon]

Where is 50 merit quality?

It's definitely somewhere in that post, keep reading and don't post again until you figure it out.

This has nothing to do with this thread so in addition to your fallacious reasoning you're also breaking forum rules with your off topic posts even after being explicitly asked by the OP to stop doing that.

[wolwoo]

It's definitely somewhere in that post, keep reading and don't post again until you figure it out.

hahahaha do you think everyone is like yourself?
You asked for the account of 50 merits
I asked too

This has nothing to do with this thread so in addition to your fallacious reasoning you're also breaking forum rules with your off topic posts even after being explicitly asked by the OP to stop doing that.

You will do anything not to lose your "strong" position here!

but everyone sees and knows everything.

[suchmoon]

hahahaha do you think everyone is like yourself?
You asked for the account of 50 merits
I asked too

I didn't ask anything. Marlboroza asked to see the post that got 50 merits from goraset because the post is now deleted. Have you provided the post? Please do that. That would be on topic here. Instead you found a post that got 50 merits from me. That's off topic regardless of how you feel about it.

Here is the link of the deleted post that goraset sent merit to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2932403.msg26690120#msg26690120

[wolwoo]

hahahaha do you think everyone is like yourself?
You asked for the account of 50 merits
I asked too

I didn't ask anything. Marlboroza asked to see the post that got 50 merits from goraset because the post is now deleted. Have you provided the post? Please do that. That would be on topic here. Instead you found a post that got 50 merits from me. That's off topic regardless of how you feel about it.

Here is the link of the deleted post that goraset sent merit to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2932403.msg26690120#msg26690120

Have a precedent in the judiciary, ask him to look at your own behavior when asking someone else

maybe it was a very valuable message, but yours is worthless and we all see it.

[yahoo62278]

Stop spamming this thread for yoshit signature purposes.

yobit's signature requires 5 posts daily
today 34th my post
this is 35.

If you write it properly, I will take care of it.
avoid accusations that do not give you the right to answer.

Its not yobit, its Cryptotalk for one. It also does not REQUIRE anything. You can be paid for 5 posts per day, that does not mean you have to do 5.

Why are you the 1 speaking up for this fella and not he himself? Rules state if 1 account is banned, go away forever. If he has an alt banned, he needs to be the bigger person and walk away. Pretty simple.

[wolwoo]

Stop spamming this thread for yoshit signature purposes.

yobit's signature requires 5 posts daily
today 34th my post
this is 35.

If you write it properly, I will take care of it.
avoid accusations that do not give you the right to answer.

Its not yobit, its Cryptotalk for one. It also does not REQUIRE anything. You can be paid for 5 posts per day, that does not mean you have to do 5.

Why are you the 1 speaking up for this fella and not he himself? Rules state if 1 account is banned, go away forever. If he has an alt banned, he needs to be the bigger person and walk away. Pretty simple.

yes "cryptotalk" right!
and upper limit 5
I replied because he blamed it.

[suchmoon]

maybe it was a very valuable message, but yours is worthless and we all see it.

Report this merit abuse to theymos then. Now can we get back on topic? Do you have the post that goraset merited? It's a very much yes/no question. Let's see how valuable it was.

yes "cryptotalk" right!
and upper limit 5
I replied because he blamed it.

I take it as a "no" regarding on-topic then. Luckily for you not-yobit pays quickly so you already got your 5 paid posts in and you won't suffer financial consequences once this gets cleaned up.

[yahoo62278]

Stop spamming this thread for yoshit signature purposes.

yobit's signature requires 5 posts daily
today 34th my post
this is 35.

If you write it properly, I will take care of it.
avoid accusations that do not give you the right to answer.

Its not yobit, its Cryptotalk for one. It also does not REQUIRE anything. You can be paid for 5 posts per day, that does not mean you have to do 5.

Why are you the 1 speaking up for this fella and not he himself? Rules state if 1 account is banned, go away forever. If he has an alt banned, he needs to be the bigger person and walk away. Pretty simple.

yes "cryptotalk" right!
and upper limit 5
I replied because he blamed it.

You have 15 replies out of 42 in this thread which is roughly 33% of the replies in this thread.

To top it off, most of them are 1 liner trash. I'm ok with a user defending themself but this subject isn't even about you, yet you feel compelled to being the main topic for some reason?

Just because you type 2 words and go down a line then type 2 more words and repeat, doesn't make it not 1 liner trash.

9 shit posts 6 ok replies. Grow thicker skin man and move on unless defending yourself. This topic has nothing to do with you, let the person it's about defend themself.