Ban evasion by DT1 member - please permaban account - case #2

[wolwoo]

What if you don't have a job? I was going to watch a movie and I'm dealing with your bullshit.

At 2am in Turkey?

Note hes requesting to be a merit source.  Look at all the "support" in his thread......

who will support? suchmoon, timelord, who???

I write locally, who else supports local?
Why do you try to be a good person?

[Timelord2067]

What if you don't have a job?

I'd be here 24/7/365 - let that sink in for an hour or two...

Note hes requesting to be a merit source.  Look at all the "support" in his thread......

Yeh, I saw that. I wouldn't want to be a merit source. (and you can quote me on that one) I wouldn't mind 50-100 merits to hand out to a few people, but an endless font of merits is a recipe for disaster.

[wolwoo]

What if you don't have a job?

I'd be here 24/7/365 - let that sink in for an hour or two...

Total time logged in: 131 days, 16 hours and 1 minutes.

What if you don't have a job?

I'd be here 24/7/365 - let that sink in for an hour or two...

Note hes requesting to be a merit source.  Look at all the "support" in his thread......

Yeh, I saw that. I wouldn't want to be a merit source. (and you can quote me on that one) I wouldn't mind 50-100 merits to hand out to a few people, but an endless font of merits is a recipe for disaster.

Can you support me timelord?

[xolxol]

connection via waves..ill give you eth and btc and you're my alt too..nice try

[Vispilio]

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Well this is so strange, it is second DT ban evading member which is posting in Turkish local board. In case post disappear, copy/paste link into archive.is.

How can it be ban evading when otto_diesel's message predates that of the banned user

Also the posting of an identical wallet alone, by itself, is definitely not a robust way of ascertaining whether 2 accounts are the same person,

if that were the case, someone could make an account right now, post one of your wallets and try to get you banned; you and all the intelligent members of this forum would agree, this is not a smart way to jump to conclusions about anything...

[hd49728]

How can it ban evading when otto_diesel's message predates that of the banned user

Also the posting of an identical wallet alone, by itself, is definitely not a robust way of ascertaining whether 2 accounts are the same person,

if that were the case, someone could make an account right now, post one of your wallets and try to get you banned; you and all the intelligent members of this forum would agree, this is not a smart way to jump to conclusions about anything...

The chronological order make sense and contributes to conclusions of moderators or admins who handle reports.

Now, I can make some accounts and post that Wave address, then using some of my new accounts (just to attack otto_diesel, example) plagiarise in order to get consequent permanent bans. Fortunately, otto_diesel will not be banned only because of that.

Example with theymos' reply: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184328.msg52655319#msg52655319

[suchmoon]

How can it be ban evading when otto_diesel's message predates that of the banned user

It doesn't matter which sockpuppet gets banned first, it would still be ban evasion if both accounts belong to the same person.

Also the posting of an identical wallet alone, by itself, is definitely not a robust way of ascertaining whether 2 accounts are the same person,

if that were the case, someone could make an account right now, post one of your wallets and try to get you banned; you and all the intelligent members of this forum would agree, this is not a smart way to jump to conclusions about anything...

That's not what happened there. If someone wanted to frame otto_diesel they wouldn't have posted the address in some obscure thread to wait nearly two years for marlboroza to find it. A more plausible excuse would be copy-pasta error but even that seems quite unlikely.

Sure moderators might not find this damning enough but given that a DT1 member is involved it would be nice to get theymos or Cryptios to take a look at IPs and whatnot.

[JaredKaragen]

How can it be ban evading when otto_diesel's message predates that of the banned user

What a very 'Democratic National Committee' level of critical thinking you have there good sir.....

[marlboroza]

together with your recent dealings with gospodin? @theymos

Sorry, I am not following, what dealings with gospodin and what that account has to do with this thread?

connection via waves..ill give you eth and btc and you're my alt too..nice try

You can't be my alt because I am not moron 

Also the posting of an identical wallet alone, by itself, is definitely not a robust way of ascertaining whether 2 accounts are the same person,

if that were the case, someone could make an account right now, post one of your wallets and try to get you banned; you and all the intelligent members of this forum would agree, this is not a smart way to jump to conclusions about anything...

Now, I can make some accounts and post that Wave address, then using some of my new accounts (just to attack otto_diesel, example) plagiarise in order to get consequent permanent bans. Fortunately, otto_diesel will not be banned only because of that.

Nop, I am 100% sure they are alt accounts and they are evading ban.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

you might want to look up the definition of "kidnapping", then "abduct"...   now look at "banish" which is what "ban" is shorthand for... and realize it has an action and reasoning; also take a peek at "blacklist"     

Yeah....I think there might just be a little bit of a language barrier here preventing people from communicating efficiently. 

Do all Turks have hair-trigger tempers?  It seems like this isn't the first time I've seen a Turkish board member or multiple members fly completely off the handle with little provocation.  And that section isn't enormous, so I just have to wonder.

Aside from the outbursts I wouldn't have a problem with wolwoo being a merit source as long as he's not involved in some scandal, and I read through this whole thread and can't see where he's implicated.  I support local board merit sources in general since it prevents non-English speakers from trying to post in the English section.  I thought there was at least one merit source in the Turkish section but could be wrong.

You seem to be more mentally disturbed than cryptohunter and I don't use this diagnosis lightly. Seek help.

That's one hell of a standard if you're talking about mental illness.  Not sure if wolwoo rises to CH's level; I think he might have intermittent explosive disorder-keyboard variant, but probably not stage IV schizophrenaheebiejeebia which CH has, no question.

[The-One-Above-All]

you might want to look up the definition of "kidnapping", then "abduct"...   now look at "banish" which is what "ban" is shorthand for... and realize it has an action and reasoning; also take a peek at "blacklist"      

Yeah....I think there might just be a little bit of a language barrier here preventing people from communicating efficiently.  

Do all Turks have hair-trigger tempers?  It seems like this isn't the first time I've seen a Turkish board member or multiple members fly completely off the handle with little provocation.  And that section isn't enormous, so I just have to wonder.

Aside from the outbursts I wouldn't have a problem with wolwoo being a merit source as long as he's not involved in some scandal, and I read through this whole thread and can't see where he's implicated.  I support local board merit sources in general since it prevents non-English speakers from trying to post in the English section.  I thought there was at least one merit source in the Turkish section but could be wrong.

You seem to be more mentally disturbed than cryptohunter and I don't use this diagnosis lightly. Seek help.

That's one hell of a standard if you're talking about mental illness.  Not sure if wolwoo rises to CH's level; I think he might have intermittent explosive disorder-keyboard variant, but probably not stage IV schizophrenaheebiejeebia which CH has, no question.

It could be rather that people are getting sick and fucking tired of the double standards imposed by the colluding group of merit cyclers/dt that allow scamming in their own ranks to be rewarded but prefer to punish others for much lesser evils.

No point saying " oh look people are getting pissed off with the unfair double standards , perhaps they are crazy" LOL

Nice watching the entire board descending into a war zone. Revolution is often the only way to crush a minority to exploit a broken system of rules to grasp all of the power and rev streams...

The above low functioning twat and non achieving scammer supporter the smarmacist has NEVER debunked even 1 of cryptohunters central points. But rather prefers to make clinical diagnosis based on NOTHING. You ask him to present 1 incorrect central point of CH he will come up with nothing. Just empty words and false accusations.

I don't see this address evidence as conclusive proof of an alt anyway??  Fancy the pharmacist shouting his mouth off after using a sneaky sock puppet alt for years called HugeBlackWoman to sneaky spam his racist trolling all over the board who got busted trying to move from one shit campaign to the next to get some extra btc dust. What a twat coming here now to lecture others.

The motive is CLEAR these DT colluding bunch want to prevent ANY person on DT they can not control or who they believe will not collude with them.

[DireWolfM14]

Also the posting of an identical wallet alone, by itself, is definitely not a robust way of ascertaining whether 2 accounts are the same person,

if that were the case, someone could make an account right now, post one of your wallets and try to get you banned; you and all the intelligent members of this forum would agree, this is not a smart way to jump to conclusions about anything...

Now, I can make some accounts and post that Wave address, then using some of my new accounts (just to attack otto_diesel, example) plagiarise in order to get consequent permanent bans. Fortunately, otto_diesel will not be banned only because of that.

I can't point to any specific case where this been proven, but it certainly seems possible.  There has been some animosity and in-fighting that took place in the Turkish board recently.  I could see a vindictive member trying to undermine another's credibility and reputation by posing as an alt and doing things they know will get them banned.  If this has happened it's a rotten trick only a scoundrel would undertake.

The timing of the evidence in this particular case does seem to point to the two accounts being alts, though.

Nop, I am 100% sure they are alt accounts and they are evading ban.

I'll preface this by saying you have more involvement in the Turkish board than I do, so you may be right.  However, I'm not 100% convinced.  I hope the Cryptios team can get to the bottom of it.  If it's true that a ban evader has made his way to DT1 it would be worth every effort to prove or disprove.

[marlboroza]

I'll preface this by saying you have more involvement in the Turkish board than I do

Not really.

However, I'm not 100% convinced.

Since when is this not a good proof? How about removing post and archiving thread later, like it will delete previously archived post and no one will notice or how about this:

[...]But your other thoughts and doubts are true, but you can look its years ago.[...]

If it's true that a ban evader has made his way to DT1 it would be worth every effort to prove or disprove.

Seems like you are surprised to see it. Side note, what I did earlier, I had some free time and I was curious about something so I tested my sixth sense. I randomly picked page number 17 (because it was created somewhere in 2018., don't ask me why, sixth sense), I randomly picked one thread from that page and I picked first account who doesn't have signature (no newbies included). Take a look:

Account bitkolik is banned.

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Bitcointalk Username: edora
Forum rank: Full Member
Current post count: 152
Ethereum address: 0x7bd81F41D03135D366F942dEF3B1479B49113C07

Account edora is banned.

- Bitcointalk username :  edora
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- Current post count: 31
- Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1194478
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Account tendor is banned, and so on...see my point?

[DireWolfM14]

However, I'm not 100% convinced.

Since when is this not a good proof? How about removing post and archiving thread later, like it will delete previously archived post and no one will notice or how about this:

Like I said;

The timing of the evidence in this particular case does seem to point to the two accounts being alts, though.

I just don't think it's enough to make me 100% certain that they are alts.  I'll also admit that I think this situation should be handled delicately due recent allegations of racism and bashing of certain ethnic groups.  Right or wrong, founded or unfounded, there are many in the Turkish local who seem to think this is West vs. Middle East thing.  I know that it's not, being of Middle Eastern decent myself, but that's not up to me alone to decide.  The disenfranchisement of an entire ethnic group is at stake, and I think it's worth taking a unbiased and careful look into the situation.

If otto_diesel claims it's not his alt (I don't know if he has or not) it's worth giving him the benefit of the doubt until further evidence can be exposed.  The other accounts you've pointed to that have been banned, and clearly evading bans does add circumstantial evidence.  But it's only circumstantial.  The fact that there's a lot of alt-abuse in the Turkish local doesn't mean that every one there is abusing alts.  And the Turkish local isn't the only place where alts are abused and bans are evaded.

Again, maybe I'm being overly sensitive about this specific situation, but that may not be a bad way of approaching it, in light of recent events.  

[marlboroza]

If otto_diesel claims it's not his alt

[...]But your other thoughts and doubts are true, but you can look its years ago.[...]
i can give my password to you and you can write like me, you can write what ever you want.  its more easy for both of us.[...]

Otto_diesel IS alt. Moderator can check PM for context.

I'll also admit that I think this situation should be handled delicately due recent allegations of racism and bashing of certain ethnic groups.  Right or wrong, founded or unfounded, there are many in the Turkish local who seem to think this is West vs. Middle East thing.

Scammed account, I mean accuser, (from the other threat) is also from Turkey, and I don't see anyone defending them. No racism and bashing in that case? Let's leave politics in P&S  

They are evading ban and they are in DT, this is everything required for this thread.  

[marlboroza]

Also the posting of an identical wallet alone, by itself, is definitely not a robust way of ascertaining whether 2 accounts are the same person,

if that were the case, someone could make an account right now, post one of your wallets and try to get you banned; you and all the intelligent members of this forum would agree, this is not a smart way to jump to conclusions about anything...

I completely agree that no one should jump to conclusions.

I was trying to explain to forum member Blacknavy that his connections which they made about account otto_diesel and 50+alt accounts here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219960.msg53689508#msg53689508 is circumstantial evidence, but my is via address they both used. Also check latest connection(at the bottom of edited topic) and DT manipulation.

And this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219960.msg53700443#msg53700443, where they posted some PM's saying account Aceeakell asked someone to make them DT1 member (I don't speak Turkish and I don't know if that PM is real or fake) is not proof of any kind. I mean, proof of connection, just some random user sending PM's to other users to make them DT1.