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December 06, 2019, 02:12:25 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
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December 06, 2019, 02:29:41 PM
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Daily volume comes from total transactions that happened on the exchange, and the transaction itself comes from liquidity. If the token or the coin has a big daily volume but they do not have liquidity that means they were using a fake volume to boost their ranking.
No liquidity = No demand.
Is it worth to invest in it? personally I do not think so, but that is my choice. You might have a different opinion about it.
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December 06, 2019, 02:38:18 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
And what you've think that?
It is pretty obvious that it won't make sense of investing those coins, you are just putting your money into nothing. Nobody would give interest to them, investors would probably skip these kinds of altcoins for they know that it won't give what they want.
If you have a lot of money waste then you may use to invest these altcoins cause for me, it is a big no...
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December 06, 2019, 02:45:13 PM
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Daily volume comes from total transactions that happened on the exchange, and the transaction itself comes from liquidity. If the token or the coin has a big daily volume but they do not have liquidity that means they were using a fake volume to boost their ranking.
No liquidity = No demand.
Is it worth to invest in it? personally I do not think so, but that is my choice. You might have a different opinion about it.

But it would be difficult to be sure about it as people might be withdrawing it. For example no one would put a stacking coin in an exchange that does not provide the staking reward. But mostly they are the fake volume coins being bought and sold just to increase the trading volume so that they could come in spotlight.

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December 06, 2019, 02:53:55 PM
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From my opinion, not worth it. When investing you're looking for liquidity with real demands and trading volume is not relevant if there's low or no liquidity at all because there are so many manipulated market as of now you can try to observe the trade orders. Why even bother to invest into these kind of coin if there are more legit option of investment anyway?. You shouldn't invest if you're doubtful about the coin or project.

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December 06, 2019, 03:00:05 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
When token lacks value then its not good to invest even if its is very very cheap.Better to invest on the coins with trading volume as well as liquidity.

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December 06, 2019, 03:02:10 PM
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Yes already we must avoid exchanges that cheat these days there are many and even I think there are still exchanges that use boots to turn up the volume
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December 06, 2019, 03:03:44 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.

First you should research what kind of project concept this altcoin but since you want to make sure your money will grow I advise to stay away from this kind of altcoin since this have no liquidity or transaction happening in exchange site its better to pick altcoin with a high possibility to grain in the future.

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December 06, 2019, 03:51:26 PM
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It all depends on the type of coin or token, you should always do your own investment research because some coins may not have a lot of volume because they are very new or just starting, or are sleepers. I know one coin for example that I believe will be a very big project but just now got on Coinmarketcap and is getting on to the exchanges, so it will take time for it's volume to grow. You ALWAYS need to check on the project first. If you are a day trader of course, then it is better to pick high volume coins or tokens to trade, as that is more logical for short term trading practices and strategies.


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December 06, 2019, 03:55:59 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
Liquidity indicator is a good way to quickly notice exchanges and coins with fake volume, i am glad that coinmarketcap decided to take this step, it helps open my eye more, one thing is not all coins on coinmarketcap are good

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December 06, 2019, 04:00:24 PM
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I guess it is very clear that a coin must have liquidity on exchange to have volume, if there is no liquidity then where is the volume coming from? Fake if i may say.

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December 06, 2019, 04:28:37 PM
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Some of those are great projects with solid team members, but they ha this bad luck of not being able to get listed on a high liquidity exchange.
At the same time i can see shit loads of shitcoins listed in the best exchange with high volume,what an irony in this cryptoshphere.
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December 06, 2019, 04:35:11 PM
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Liquidity is everything.

99% of altcoins have less than 1million liquidity, And the top crypto's have about 1/10th or even smaller amount of liquidity than what's reported. The reason for this huge disparity is wash trading and market making.

CMC has taken a good step forward, but there is a lot of work to be done on making this data more apparent and their lack of filtering all these fake, scammy exchanges that are "trading billions of dollars of crypto daily."


Overall, there is no escaping wash trading in crypto. Almost every alt-coin out there has no real volume. Almost everything you see is manipulated to an extent. Welcome to crypto and actually, everything on the internet and the real world also. This is a game of money, you are just the small fish that feeds the whales.

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December 06, 2019, 04:35:24 PM
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No liquidity and you invest in it? Never mate XD it's like you selling pork to Muslim people it's no demand at all and you will lost your money. Just stay at the right rule, follow the trend is better than invest in alts with no liquidity. Also don't be fooled by CMC too sometimes they give false data

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December 06, 2019, 04:59:10 PM
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Yes, in fact most of it is fake. So you do not have to invest in tokens. It is better to buy than to sell.
I also had time to complain about the length of the WD process on a stock exchange, the solid volume in the coin market is very large, it turns out to be a fake.

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December 06, 2019, 05:07:56 PM
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If they do not have liquidity - no daily trading volume than it is a good sign that this coin is going to the end because nobody is buying it. Avoid coins with low trading volume. Smiley


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December 06, 2019, 05:15:01 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.

Your suspicions are correct, they do pump the volume of traders to think it's worth investing in the coin, or they have a group of whales that do pump their coin, but they will eventually dump the coin, so be watchful on coins that you are going to invest, check if the volume is indeed correct.

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December 06, 2019, 05:39:10 PM
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Most comment above said that it's not worth to invest in not liquid coins.

But I dont think so, we invest or trade ofc to get profit. so, as long as the coin can make us profit, it is a good investment/trade
not liquid coin can give good profit if you know how to do it. most of them just pump and dump
even it gives high profit, but ofc it has high risk too. the main idea is, you must know the good strategy to do with not liquid coins Smiley

 
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Most comment above said that it's not worth to invest in not liquid coins.
It depends on the person's wallet size. In most cases people with a few hundred bucks have no problems investing in these coins because they can get in and out easily, which is why such altcoins are quite popular.

If you're a trader/investor with $20k for example things are different unless you have the luck to buy or sell into a large wall. If I had that money I would definitely avoid such coins, but everyone is different at the end of the day.

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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.

Most persons have already said it all, no liquidity absolutely means no demand, and a token which has no demand has no value. So the question is, would you invest in a coin with no value? Also, about if their volume is fake, frankly that what it means, for a token with no demand having huge volume says it all. Nowadays, to invest in any coin comes with huge carefulness and due diligence in order to be safe.

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i just believe the only good reason to buy such a these token is a do a research first.
because, i am not believe anymore about what info coinmarketcap given. no since i saw stupid exchange such as vindax,coinsbit,p2pb have a high rank on their chart.
and actually a simple research for token like u say its easy , just go through to exchange and see how buying and selling happen.
mostly wash trading has a pattern that is easy to read.

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Would you say the exchange ranking on CMC is correct now that they are providing liquidity?

Sometimes I'm finding it hard to believe the exchange that ranked are the ones that I haven't heard of before. Bilaxy is new to me, I don't have an account to its the first on the tank today. Many of use are not willing to register to the exchange since this is another KYC submission.

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Don't believe in large volumes before you check directly. Volume can be manipulated very easily. Many altcoins have large volumes, but when they want to make transactions it will be very difficult.
I have come across a lot of fake volumes of altcoin which only aims to attract investors to buy their coins.

 
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December 07, 2019, 12:22:13 PM
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Any coin or exchange that has big volumes with no liquidity or not enough liquidity is red flag, its either they are creating fake volumes for the coin or wrong details are been given by the exchange

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December 07, 2019, 12:37:07 PM
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Liquidity is a must not volumes because volumes can be easily given by exchanges which aren't real but not liquidity, if anyone wants to invest in coins today its better to make sure it has good liquidity although if the coin is listed on top exchange there is nothing to worry about

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December 07, 2019, 12:50:07 PM
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Daily volume comes from total transactions that happened on the exchange, and the transaction itself comes from liquidity. If the token or the coin has a big daily volume but they do not have liquidity that means they were using a fake volume to boost their ranking.
No liquidity = No demand.
Is it worth to invest in it? personally I do not think so, but that is my choice. You might have a different opinion about it.
Sadly to say but plenty of them are just having a fake volumes. There many transactions history but no more liquidity? That will be a questionable yet truth for crypto traders.
I don't think that it is worth to invest in cryptocurrency specially for alts that has no liquidity. They just keep on fooling people that their price goes skyrocket.
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Don't believe in large volumes before you check directly. Volume can be manipulated very easily. Many altcoins have large volumes, but when they want to make transactions it will be very difficult.
I have come across a lot of fake volumes of altcoin which only aims to attract investors to buy their coins.
And many exchange doing that fake volume right now and a chance that there will be traders that will stuck at that coins. The better solution if this project has real liquidity is check every social media channel of that coins and look if there are really a community supporting it.

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December 07, 2019, 01:21:30 PM
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Never buy any coin without liquidity, in the market we have many project with fake volume and bot trade, this only lure investors to death, some even fraudulently pump their token, only to see that the traded volume is useless and one can't really sell. It will be good if all these manipulating coins can be filtered from CMC to save innocent traders.

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Counterfeit volume is one of the biggest problems of the market. Speculators use it. You need to do good research before investing in a coine. The first goal is not to hurt.

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December 07, 2019, 03:08:01 PM
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Most comment above said that it's not worth to invest in not liquid coins.
It depends on the person's wallet size. In most cases people with a few hundred bucks have no problems investing in these coins because they can get in and out easily, which is why such altcoins are quite popular.

If you're a trader/investor with $20k for example things are different unless you have the luck to buy or sell into a large wall. If I had that money I would definitely avoid such coins, but everyone is different at the end of the day.
yes, you are right. high wallet size would be hard to cash out in not liquid coin.
So, we have to resize how much money if we wanna invest in that type coin. this is part of strategy

at least, it can be option to invest in crypto. there is opportunity to invest in this coin with high risk and high return
if having good strategy, it can get profit more than liquid coin. that's all

 
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December 07, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
There are so many altcoin projects out there, why would you want to invest in a project that in the first place they are trying to create fake news to deceive investors?
I will never invest in such coins, the majority of such projects will die in the future and people will lose money if investing in it.

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Don't believe in large volumes before you check directly. Volume can be manipulated very easily. Many altcoins have large volumes, but when they want to make transactions it will be very difficult.
I have come across a lot of fake volumes of altcoin which only aims to attract investors to buy their coins.
And many exchange doing that fake volume right now and a chance that there will be traders that will stuck at that coins. The better solution if this project has real liquidity is check every social media channel of that coins and look if there are really a community supporting it.
You can actually figure out whether a coin have fake 24 hour trading volume or not by seeing the trade history of that coin and that's really easy. there's no need to check their social media or whatever it is but instead see if the orders are just buy and sell repeatedly within the same price it's basically a manipulated market and see whether there are buy orders or not. Most of the coin that got its market manipulated only have active trading activities at certain time.

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no
Although i won't say all coins with no liquidity is bad
But i can say at least 99% of them are bad

Bad in terms of value which not worth it
Especially when you need to sell but you can sell to no one because it has no liquidity

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December 07, 2019, 05:38:11 PM
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If the token or the coin has a big daily volume but they do not have liquidity that means they were using a fake volume to boost their ranking.
That's exactly right, and it really sucks that some exchanges are being so dishonest about the volume of certain shit coins.  And last I read, there were over 3000 altcoins in existence and I'd bet that at least half of them, and probably more, have close to zero trading volume across all the exchanges they're listed on.  I'm not exactly sure why exchanges fake volume except maybe to make it look like they're more successful in attracting traders, but it does no good to someone trying to trade one of these coins with no liquidity.

If any of you have never used yobit, I would suggest going there and having a look at all the coins they have listed.  Most of them don't trade at all and have wallets which are always in maintenance mode so the coins can't be withdrawn.  I don't know why yobit doesn't delist them all, but if you look at all of them there's absolutely no liquidity whatever with most of the coins.  And they usually trade for 1 sat.
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Investing in such projects is tantamount to playing roulette.
Considering that volumes are supported by bots, it is possible that in the future a major player can increase the price of a coin by pouring a certain amount of money into it, create artificial growth.
However, it is extremely difficult to say exactly which coins they will be, because many simply fall in price after turning off the bots.

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December 07, 2019, 05:59:54 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.

I think that we need to turn our attention to the volumes obtained, or rather, as a result of which these volumes were obtained. Some projects simply increase volumes with the help of trading bots, which means where will the liquidity of such tokens come from? Moreover, it is very easy to see the wrapping by trading boti, which means these tokens already have problems. Of course, this tells us that there is no point in investing in such tokens, since there is already a fraud, and if there is a fraud, then where is the guarantee that the owners of these tokens will not deceive the community. I would recommend avoiding such crypto assets.
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So can we say that HitBtc is the best exchange right now ?? (highest liquidity)
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December 07, 2019, 06:42:00 PM
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In trading cryptocurrency, the volume is a necessity and it leads to the liquidity which is important to easy trading of cryptocurrency. I am personally of the opinion that the higher the trading volume of a project, the better the project for investing purposes. A higher trading volume could mean that more persons are willing to buy the tokens as a result of the value which is expected from the project.
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If you think about it, then you will realize that liquidity and reputable exchange is the only factor that affects the price. It is very sad, but that is the reality, at the moment there are no better fundamentals than listing on Binance or Coinbase. But what about the long-term fundamentals? Thats the problem, that is the reason why all altcoins continously falling.  Cry

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December 07, 2019, 07:10:04 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
If there is no liquidity, then this is certainly not a good sign.Personally, I would not buy such assets.If there is no liquidity-then in fact these coins are not needed by anyone.And if no one needs them then why invest in them!

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Don't believe in large volumes before you check directly. Volume can be manipulated very easily. Many altcoins have large volumes, but when they want to make transactions it will be very difficult.
I have come across a lot of fake volumes of altcoin which only aims to attract investors to buy their coins.
I've read some exchanges that has a fake high coin volumes on which they use to increase user growth and website traffic and it's literally disgusting knowing beginners are vulnerable on things such as scams. And yes altcoins these days are not with good intention to their investors. Have you thought of these projects and exchanges to be dishonest with us? telling they have a massive volumre when in fact there are just a small numbered volume and trading volume is just rigged as what their lies? argh.

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December 07, 2019, 07:40:46 PM
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Liquidity also migrates to the next big ticket alt.
It is moved by people looking for the get rich quick scheme

People who invest in ICO's want quick returns and don't care
about the ICO project.
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December 07, 2019, 10:00:15 PM
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Volumes need to be checked in many places. Exchange shows volume, but trading is needed to control. If there is a steady balance, it is likely that the volume is provided with the boots. It's too big to be true! Pay attention to these situations.

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December 07, 2019, 10:13:58 PM
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Never buy any coin without liquidity, in the market we have many project with fake volume and bot trade, this only lure investors to death, some even fraudulently pump their token, only to see that the traded volume is useless and one can't really sell. It will be good if all these manipulating coins can be filtered from CMC to save innocent traders.
Too many fake volumes for some coins baffles me, I watched a coin rise 240% up but with almost negligible volume. This is truly unfair since traders usually get trapped in bot trading. Coinmarketcap and coingecko have been making efforts to reduce fake volumes but to no avail.
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December 07, 2019, 10:45:33 PM
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Stay away in alts that no liquidity because remember that no user use that then actually a lot of alts here fake this only to turn popular

So as a user who invest here in crypto better always to find or search like study the alts where you risk because there's a lot of fake here then whales can manipulate alts here so think always that

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Liquidity is one of the strength of an exchange and a product. If the liquidity is enough and carefully provided, then there will be smooth trade. It also prevents unnecessary dump. The first time I started seeing such indicators on CMC, I knew that my comeback on some tokens is imminent.
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I don't really think that investing on alts that doesn't have liquidity at the first place in exchanges is worth investing. Since, if there is no exchange that accepts the coin, what worth does it have? Or if the exchange that is having that altcoin is not that good or does not have liquidity is also not known. If these two scenario, preceded, it only mean one thing, the coin is not that good and of course, exchange must have their own instructions for the alts that will come and go.




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December 08, 2019, 12:11:37 AM
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Never buy any coin without liquidity, in the market we have many project with fake volume and bot trade, this only lure investors to death, some even fraudulently pump their token, only to see that the traded volume is useless and one can't really sell. It will be good if all these manipulating coins can be filtered from CMC to save innocent traders.
Too many fake volumes for some coins baffles me, I watched a coin rise 240% up but with almost negligible volume. This is truly unfair since traders usually get trapped in bot trading. Coinmarketcap and coingecko have been making efforts to reduce fake volumes but to no avail.

they only provide indicators and focus more on the exchange first and then the coins that are traded there, they cannot determine anything else. the best way is to not attract interest at all and only see coins with a clear daily volume. But I have reasons for some of the coins in question, one of which is because dev is trying to make a shortcut from a temporary increase, just a kind of reaction test.
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December 08, 2019, 12:33:18 AM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
You can check fake volume transaction or not by access to their exchange market, you can see how much buy and sell order with some coin, I think coin market cap have given correct information about some coin listed which one exchange market and how much transaction volume of this altcoin, I always get coin market site giving correct information about price and volume transaction of altcoin.

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December 08, 2019, 12:34:59 AM
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That's what I hate about CMC they added some token or coin that has no significant liquidity and based only on daily traded volume of that project. But this can be manipulated by exchange that are listed since they have some market maker service that can be avail by the exchange to do some trading activity for them. There should be a restriction for this, of course we eant a natural trading.
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December 08, 2019, 01:53:45 AM
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in my opinion it's better not to invest in coins that don't have liquidity. because indeed the daily trading volume can be falsified. it's better to choose the top coins that already have community, trading volume and liquidity. investing in new coins is indeed very risky. it's better if you want to do daily trading then invest in the top coins like bitcoin, litecoin and binance coin.

 
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December 08, 2019, 02:12:31 AM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.

The discussion about trading exchanges faking their volumes is already reaching the majority of the population in the crypto world. And it is already an accepted truth. Trading exchanges are faking volumes to make it appear as if they have the liquidity that traders need in order to have a smooth buy and sell orders. In reality, trading calls are made by bots. They are not really the real liquidity that crypto traders long for in an exchange. The competition right now seems to be on who has the highest real trading volume and not the volume per se.
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December 08, 2019, 02:16:56 AM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
Worth? Not at all I think. An alts that has no liquidity but suspiciously has a big volume is already weird as it is.
So, I think it's safe to assume that the volume in there were mostly fake, as to make to alts more popular by having a large volume, but when you checked them thoroughly it has no liquidity and real volume. What do you think? It's not even worth to invest in such alts. It's not that different from a shit coins.
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December 08, 2019, 02:52:49 AM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
for the short term, it is very unprofitable. because altcoin without liquidity is very slow to move, because they focus on the product and its development first, then will focus on the price. even if all else fails, the price is not guaranteed. means it's very risky whether it's for the short term or long term.

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December 08, 2019, 04:13:29 AM
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If there is no liquidity allow the volume is false because there is no demand against the coin. But it could be though there is no good demand their coin is riding slowly very well because it is assisted by the dev that often controls the price in the market. It is an option, smart to choose which coin is good for both the short and long term. Choose your own choice.
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December 08, 2019, 04:38:10 AM
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in my opinion it's better not to invest in coins that don't have liquidity. because indeed the daily trading volume can be falsified. it's better to choose the top coins that already have community, trading volume and liquidity. investing in new coins is indeed very risky. it's better if you want to do daily trading then invest in the top coins like bitcoin, litecoin and binance coin.
Coins without liquidity are shitcoin and should not be invested because the risk will be very high. I often encourage people to choose only the coins listed at the big exchanges with good liquidity because that's where you don't need to worry much about trading. In one way or another, profits need to be guaranteed and always trust that investment before making a decision.

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December 08, 2019, 05:59:56 AM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
Yes most of those volumes are fake. Even in past there were many exchanges found guilty of falsifying their daily trading volume and this affects users a lot. Many a times when I was new in Crypto I used to buy coins for arbitrage, but on many exchanges I wasn't able to sell the coins that I brought and this made me lose money many a times,because when I transfered my coins to the exchange with a high price then those were unable to sell just because of no demand at all for those coins.

 
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December 08, 2019, 06:20:27 AM
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CoinMarketCap new Liquidity indicator is quite accurate, so if the volume on a single trading pair on unpopular Exchange is more than 100.000$ per day while the Liquidity rate is about 100$, this likely means the volume is fake and you will not be able to trade normally on this Exchange.

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December 08, 2019, 06:31:59 AM
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According to Investopedia [1]
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Liquidity describes the degree to which an asset or security can be quickly bought or sold in the market at a price reflecting its intrinsic value. In other words: the ease of converting it to cash.
To make sure we are all on the exact page. Anyway, most traders want to trade coins that are liquid so that it could be easily converted and be sold in almost an instant so they could profit quickly. When it comes to different kinds of tokens, there are a lot which has no liquidity at all, so would you still trade it? You might lose your investment with one trade. I doubt someone would want to do that to himself.

So for me, I wouldn't invest in those kinds of tokens, especially when the volume is fake.

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No liquidity equals death for altcoins. Believe me when I say this because most altcoins with volume is actually fake ones as well, they are not really making any sort of money at all.

Most of those tokens that you see that has millions in volume per day actually has close to couple thousand at most but gets help with bot supports from the team and so forth to make it look like it is alive. That is where majority of your funding for the token actually goes as well. Long story short, if a coin that actually has a volume is very rare, rest are fake volume and if there are ones with fake volume that eventually dies, the one with no volume is basically dead already anyway. Get out from market price if you have to but always get out, never stay because it won't recover.

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December 08, 2019, 08:41:59 AM
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No liquidity equals death for altcoins. Believe me when I say this because most altcoins with volume is actually fake ones as well, they are not really making any sort of money at all.

Most of those tokens that you see that has millions in volume per day actually has close to couple thousand at most but gets help with bot supports from the team and so forth to make it look like it is alive. That is where majority of your funding for the token actually goes as well. Long story short, if a coin that actually has a volume is very rare, rest are fake volume and if there are ones with fake volume that eventually dies, the one with no volume is basically dead already anyway. Get out from market price if you have to but always get out, never stay because it won't recover.

If the exchange and coinmarketcap will gonna removed those dead coins maybe thousands will be removed, so far, if it has really no value at all then they deserve to be eliminated in the crypto so people won't waste their time thinking it will have real value soon, or hoping for it, they should stop hoping for them and move on with other legit projects and charge those to their experience.
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
The fake volume tokens are all dead tokens. Projects or goals are dead so there are no buyers. There will be no good projects without buyers. So, for tokens or alts with a volume of less than $ 5k, they are fraudulent organizations and you absolutely should not invest.

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Tokens without liqiuidity should be delitsted from exchanges. Almost all of them are dead useless projects
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December 08, 2019, 09:29:27 AM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
Yes most of those volumes are fake. Even in past there were many exchanges found guilty of falsifying their daily trading volume and this affects users a lot. Many a times when I was new in Crypto I used to buy coins for arbitrage, but on many exchanges I wasn't able to sell the coins that I brought and this made me lose money many a times,because when I transfered my coins to the exchange with a high price then those were unable to sell just because of no demand at all for those coins.
Agree. Most coins listed at regular exchanges use fake trading volumes and cannot be liquidated if you want to sell. I think this is the case that anyone will encounter when investing so it is best to learn that exchange before deciding to invest because the risk may come to you at any time. Of course shitcoin investing will only make you more losses during this time.



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December 08, 2019, 10:04:17 AM
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In fact the main factor comes from manipulation, in fact this is just a game of top people, trying to play with no liquidity and entice interested people like OP. I am surprised by all that, sometimes someone is fooled by seeing a large volume, even though it is fake. platforms such as CMC are very good, but I think it is necessary to deal specifically with manipulated volumes, which often happens on low-reputation exchanges.

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December 08, 2019, 10:31:06 AM
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Daily volume comes from total transactions that happened on the exchange, and the transaction itself comes from liquidity. If the token or the coin has a big daily volume but they do not have liquidity that means they were using a fake volume to boost their ranking.
No liquidity = No demand.
Is it worth to invest in it? personally I do not think so, but that is my choice. You might have a different opinion about it.
I totally agree with you. Never invest in altcoins without liquidity and demand. Its price will certainly not go up without the attention of the community

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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.

Yes, no liquidity and high volume is a sign of wash trading. And no, you shouldn't invest into them. Ask yourself, would you invest into it without that volume? Who would buy your coin then as you can't sell into that volume, because there are no walls. The price action will just move lower if you set up a sell order.

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December 08, 2019, 11:12:14 AM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
most exchanges do have fake volumes, it is clear, even though they have 24-hour volumes but there is no liquidity,
you must be careful when trading because manipulation is easy to do

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December 08, 2019, 11:55:04 AM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
It depends on the project itself. In fact, although this is not the case we face every day, liquidity may drop due to some unexpected problems. It is worth a try if you come across a project like this. But usually liquidity is the best indicator of demand and supply, and when it is low, there is no demand. Always be careful with undesirable projects, as you are more likely to lose.

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December 08, 2019, 12:02:26 PM
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But it would be difficult to be sure about it as people might be withdrawing it. For example no one would put a stacking coin in an exchange that does not provide the staking reward. But mostly they are the fake volume coins being bought and sold just to increase the trading volume so that they could come in spotlight.
It is not difficult to figure it out, check the spread on the exchanges and comparing it with its total volume.
A project that has a good volume usually will not have a big gap between the orders.
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Choosing an altcoin for investment.  You look at how a given asset behaves in what period.  If everything is really as you noticed, there is volume and there is no liquidity, that is, concerns for investing in such a coin or token.  Such moments in behavior may not be noticed by everyone and for this reason they will lose money at the place of profit.
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Investing in new projects that are listed on Hitbtc, binance and Kucoin as I found out they are the most stable as in liquidity on the exchange. Lets see whats turns out.
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
If you are taking the volumes showed by coinmarketcap then good luck to you as you might not even see any liquidity if you are planning to trade in the exchange and it is a fact that all of the exchanges in the market gives out fake volumes and if you are investing in those shitcoins then you will be a bag holder, my advice is to not waste your time and money taking your chance by investing in shit coins.

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Sorry for #OOT
I wonder why Digifinex can be in 7th position based on liquidity? whereas most transactions that occur in this exchange are carried out by bots. Can anyone explain here?

 
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Choosing an altcoin for investment.  You look at how a given asset behaves in what period.  If everything is really as you noticed, there is volume and there is no liquidity, that is, concerns for investing in such a coin or token.  Such moments in behavior may not be noticed by everyone and for this reason they will lose money at the place of profit.
It will lose value in the long run, if there's no one who will support and invest the coin for their trading activities. There's a need for everyone
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December 08, 2019, 07:37:01 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
In 90% of cases, the answer is yes. CMC only shows the analyzed data from the API of exchanges for specific pairs. If the exchange uses the trading bot which buys/sells and adds fake order to the order book, the average daily volume will be above the other listed exchanges. In order to avoid, the trader should do own research before thinking about the trading there.
yes because if they ask for transaction data manually it will be more difficult but can see the original transaction or only bot. in addition, the exchanges have their own systems and they are sure to maintain their data, for integration only uses the API

 
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.

Most if not all newer tokens/coins have no use-ability. They are un-spendable. Even if the toke/coin is tied to a project that actually has a product that has a use case.

I will be so bold as to make another statement. Most if not all crypto assets from the start of bitcoin itself have ZERO demand or are able to be spent on anything other than trading out for BTC.

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December 08, 2019, 08:18:29 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
Personally, I use another service to determine the real liquidity.If you want You can test this service and compare with CMC: https://messari.io/screener

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December 08, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
Personally, I use another service to determine the real liquidity.If you want You can test this service and compare with CMC: https://messari.io/screener
We all used to look for other alternatives, but after CMC's last update, it did not need to. Even if the volume is fake, it is possible to understand this by looking at the liquidity.

The site you suggest displays that the BTC's "real volume" is only 134 million, while this figure is 15 billion in CMC. Perhaps, the figures in CMC are exaggerated, but it can not be that much difference. How is "real volume" calculated in Messari?
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December 08, 2019, 08:45:36 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
Personally, I use another service to determine the real liquidity.If you want You can test this service and compare with CMC: https://messari.io/screener
We all used to look for other alternatives, but after CMC's last update, it did not need to. Even if the volume is fake, it is possible to understand this by looking at the liquidity.

The site you suggest displays that the BTC's "real volume" is only 134 million, while this figure is 15 billion in CMC. Perhaps, the figures in CMC are exaggerated, but it can not be that much difference. How is "real volume" calculated in Messari?
when talking with data manipulation may always be there, but at least we have a place that can be trusted that the data is really real there. CMC is currently a lot of doubt in terms of volume, but what about the site that he provides to do data collection. now we have to be really careful for many things that can be manipulated if possible

 
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December 08, 2019, 09:24:37 PM
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Most likely, the investment in such coins is a failure. Mike Novogratz very much lost his assets after believing in such coins. That is, his fund is almost completely ruined. Today it is very easy to create fictitious volumes and for cryptocurrency exchanges this is not a problem. And once the Novogratz failed to make a profit with these coins I think you have no chance.
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
Yes, transaction volume affects liquidity, in addition to that trading frequency and transaction value also affect. So it can be ascertained if the trading volume is high while the liquidity is low then it could be that the volume is fake. Current prices can also be manipulated, it seems like bots play a role here. This is very uncomfortable if used for trading, maybe only for hit and run.

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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
I don't think it's worth investing in coins or tokens that don't have liquidity because too many fake transactions are made to fool investors so don't get fooled and if you choose to invest, choose tokens that already have big names and are in large exchanges.

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December 08, 2019, 10:14:23 PM
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Just ignore those coins with fake volume, i think that is already manipulated, how can many transaction without exchange to liquidity. Let focus on real project that stil running and have the futures in it. Many tokens in exchange with big potential, just choose one of them to invest.

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December 09, 2019, 03:37:10 AM
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if the coins do not have liquidity I think is not feasible to be made an investment tool. some people recommend investing in coins that have a high trading volume. trading volume does not guarantee that the coin is worth the investment because trading volume can be manipulated by bots. so if we are going to invest in crypto then choose coins that have liquidity and a large community

 
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December 09, 2019, 03:44:57 AM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
You know bitcoin does not have liquidity but look that coin lots of volumes, its always depending on the technologies, progress, exposure, use cases, long term plan it is always basic and do not think always easy thing that turns into hard thing.

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December 09, 2019, 07:35:27 AM
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Don't believe in large volumes before you check directly. Volume can be manipulated very easily. Many altcoins have large volumes, but when they want to make transactions it will be very difficult.
I have come across a lot of fake volumes of altcoin which only aims to attract investors to buy their coins.
And many exchange doing that fake volume right now and a chance that there will be traders that will stuck at that coins. The better solution if this project has real liquidity is check every social media channel of that coins and look if there are really a community supporting it.
But scammers also have a large community to manipulate everything on the telegram channel. They have a paid community with a channel group that has tens of thousands of members. They will delete every comment that always asks "when exchange" "when distribution" is a question they cannot explain.

 
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December 09, 2019, 08:27:06 AM
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With liquidity, it becomes easier to trade and use indicators when trading for better possibility of gaining profit. Many alts have poor liquidity simple because there are little or no buy orders for the coins. Its not a smart idea to buy these coins but if you are one for taking risks, then by all means, go ahead and bag some. I have seen rare situations where coins with low liquidity moon over a period of time

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December 09, 2019, 09:03:59 AM
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With liquidity, it becomes easier to trade and use indicators when trading for better possibility of gaining profit. Many alts have poor liquidity simple because there are little or no buy orders for the coins. Its not a smart idea to buy these coins but if you are one for taking risks, then by all means, go ahead and bag some. I have seen rare situations where coins with low liquidity moon over a period of time
the question that needs to be asked is whether the indicator really displays pure volume? so if you want to use an indicator you need to know the purity of the volume inside. there is no harm in using the most important indicator you can find out the indicator really displays the original volume

 
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December 09, 2019, 09:05:00 AM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
I don't think it's worth investing in coins or tokens that don't have liquidity because too many fake transactions are made to fool investors so don't get fooled and if you choose to invest, choose tokens that already have big names and are in large exchanges.
Imo, that indicator is a reminder for traders not to be trapped.

I often read coins with the same typical type on the telegram channel, and most of them refer to coingecko. after I check, the coin gets stuck at the highest price, or even immediately falls in less than a day. liquidity is very important or we are suddenly forced to become confused holders.
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December 09, 2019, 09:47:15 AM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.

Coins or tokens that don't have liquidity, I think are not good investments. In my opinion, one indicator of an investment is said to be safe is to have a large liquidity and is also actively traded in the market.

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December 09, 2019, 10:13:53 AM
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no.. very dangerous if investing alt liquidity on exchanges, there are lots of good alt listed on the popular and trusted list. I guarantee alt liquidity on exchanges is a scam I have found even though large volumes, but it is only manipulation to dance traders and investors
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December 09, 2019, 01:20:57 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
I agree with your topic. I have seen a few coins that do not have any trade. It is doing good volume here. So the exchange saw no trade.

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December 09, 2019, 04:04:59 PM
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Liquidity describes the degree to which an asset or security can be quickly bought or sold in the market at a price reflecting its intrinsic value. In other words: the ease of converting it to cash.
To make sure we are all on the exact page. Anyway, most traders want to trade coins that are liquid so that it could be easily converted and be sold in almost an instant so they could profit quickly. When it comes to different kinds of tokens, there are a lot which has no liquidity at all, so would you still trade it? You might lose your investment with one trade. I doubt someone would want to do that to himself.

So for me, I wouldn't invest in those kinds of tokens, especially when the volume is fake.
convert to cash depends how much capital is, if we use high capital, the liquidity is a must
if using low capital, low liquidity isnt a problem as long as still having liquidity (not no liquidity at all)

so, i think it is subjective, in other word, there is chance to get profit for traders/ investors
we have to consider that most of low liquid coin is pump and dump so can get big return if we have good strategy.

 
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December 09, 2019, 04:07:53 PM
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Currently, Alts has no liquidity on the exchanges. I think this token is not worth investing in. That's it, almost everything is fake.
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December 09, 2019, 04:09:22 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
Yes, you need to see their real liquidity, to appreciate that coin. If a coin has a large community as well as many investors interested in it, it will have great liquidity. On the contrary, it is just fake volume to attract traders to buy that coin.

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December 09, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
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Without liquidity, I think it's not worth investing in this token. altcoin has no liquidity on the exchanges. This is unfortunate.  Wink
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December 09, 2019, 08:02:36 PM
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This market is unregulated. Rumors spread very easily. Unfortunately, fraud is very easy. However, as a community, if we talk about them here, we can prevent them. Coinmarketcap has become a monopoly. There's an alternative system. Easy to manipulate a single place!

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December 09, 2019, 08:25:10 PM
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Probably not the wisest move to invest in coins with little no liquidity. One exception may be for newer coins with both low volume and low liquidity, as perhaps as time goes on both will pick up. But if you see high volume + low liquidity, you know the numbers are faked. The sad thing is that even for 'good' coins we see a lot of wash trading.
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I don't really even know what could altcoins with no volume could do, like if we want decentralization then do we want the team to be involved too much on the token or the coin? I mean if you are an investor, you want your coin you invested to be more decentralized and you want the team to take their hands out of your coin after a while.

I could invest and help fund a coin but then I want the team to build something amazing and leave it be, if the team doesn't leave it be then whats the point of a coin that constantly gets new builds from a team that basically could change the coin however they want? Think about bitcoin that way, what if satoshi kept on changing bitcoin constantly? Do you think people would like that? So, when a coin has no volume at all, maybe its time for it to die slowly instead of hoping the team to do something about it.

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December 10, 2019, 10:18:45 AM
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Any Altcoin without liquidity is as good as nothing and most are generated through IEOs so it's best to regulate the market and end these projects without real team and use cases.

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December 10, 2019, 12:07:35 PM
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yes most of the tokens are fake, there are even some exchanges with large volumes that are also fake.
so I started to doubt the newly released token in cmc because the data is not necessarily accurate.
but for coins like btc, eth and other top ranks no different.

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December 10, 2019, 01:09:50 PM
Last edit: December 10, 2019, 01:30:16 PM by Darktongue
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
Volume couldn't fake If any token has no liquidity. But for low or no liquidity, your investment could gone after sometimes. During the IEO is running in low volume exchange, funds rised but when listed for no liquidity, eventually price wiill plummet. Your funds isn't safe in any project with no liquidity.
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December 10, 2019, 01:14:47 PM
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Yes, it definitely means that 90 percent of all exchanges are doing wash trading by selling and buying crypto currencies on their own. If you look at the charts, even big exchanges are doing so to seem more powerful.

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December 10, 2019, 01:32:09 PM
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yes most of the tokens are fake, there are even some exchanges with large volumes that are also fake.
so I started to doubt the newly released token in cmc because the data is not necessarily accurate.
but for coins like btc, eth and other top ranks no different.
some altcoin tradiing volume if compared with buy or sell order was not suitable with reality. most of exchanges provide fake tradiing volume, and maybe its happen when cryptocurrency price hit on all time high on 2017. people interested when they see suddenly cryptocurrency price rise extremely in market. but for major altcoin ,its not significant.

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December 10, 2019, 05:22:53 PM
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Since Coinmarketcap added Liquidity to its indicators, you can see a lot of tokens with enormous daily volumes have no liquidity at all. Is it even worth to invest in this kind of tokens? Does that mean that most of the volumes are fake? Thanks for the answers.
The answer is no. They simply use fake volumes on exchanges and pump and dump to attract interest from those who want to risk to make money from it. Especially in the current bad market situation, it is very risky to buy and hold altcoins.

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