Did anyone watch the latest documentary about Ross Ulbricht? It can be found on Youtube (or at this secondary link) and it was created by the Free Ross organization.

I'm asking because I noticed some interesting allegations, besides all the injustice made during the trial. The injustice made towards Ross is well known (I think) by most of the people knowing details about the case; many of them were detailed also by xtraelv in his very interesting topic.

However, some unknown (at least for me) details were exposed in this documentary. Some are very unrealistic (such as the suspicion about Mark Karpelès being Satoshi, which I find as being actually a delusion, but nobody knows the truth), but some raise questions though... Besides, the film details the idea of Karpelès being also DPR, not just Satoshi.

• For example, at the beginning of the documentary (between 0:04 and 09:22), is stated that first mention of SR was made here, by the user silkroad, inside the topic Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested (which is correct). Jared Der-Yeghiayan, the first investigator of SR (who never mentioned how he found out abour SR's existence), found out that the site mentioned in the topic (silkroadmarket.org) was only a surface web platform which was informing the users about how to use Tor and how to access the real SR on Deep Web. Der-Yeghiayan found that silkroadmarket.org was registered with XTA.net, a domain server owned by a company of Mark Karpelès named Mutum Sigillum. As you already know, Karpelès is the ex-owner of the defunct Mt. Gox. At this point started the suspicion that DPR (the new owner of SR, after Ross handed him the site) is the same person with the owner of Mt. Gox.
• By that time, according to Ross' statements, he was no longer the owner of SR. He declared that he was overwhelmed and, after finding a guy who helped him a lot with the site, he agreed to pass him the ownership. This guy's nickname was DPR (Dread Pirate Roberts) and he is (was) suspected to be Karpelès.
• From here, things become even more interesting: Karpelès bought Mt. Gox about same time when SR was launched. In the documentary is raised the suspicion that Karpelès may be Satoshi (which I doubt) and that he would have all the reasons in the world for opening SR, as he would place there the BTC earned through Mt. Gox and vice-versa. Besides the interesting coincidences, there is also an absurd allegation - that Karpelès was also the owner of BitcoinTalk, information given to Der-Yeghiayan by a secret informant, who previously was hired by Karpelès. This idea appeared after another coincidence noted in the film, as it follows: the SMF platform, used for BitcoinTalk site, was used also for the discussions forum hosted on SR. Besides, due to the rarity of SMF being used in forums, the fact that it was used on both BitcoinTalk and SR raised investigator's suspicion, determining him to consider even more that there is a same owner for both, meaning that Karpelès could be Satoshi.

Example of similarities UI-wise between the sites:

• Coming back to Ross and to how the investigation started (32:00 - 34:46): it is stated that the govern used a "parallel construction" in order to frame him and to make him look like the real DPR. To be more specific, an IRS agent (Gary Alford) found on BitcoinTalk a post containing Ross's email, which was written before the thread found by Der-Yeghiayan (mentioned above). Practically, Der-Yeghiayan found the topic Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested , which was posted on March 1st, 2011 by the username silkroad, while Alford stated he found a post made by the user altoid on January 29th, 2011 (without specifying the name of the topic). The documentary says that Der-Yeghiayan couldn't have found this post during his investigation because it didn't exist. Alford claimed he found the respective post being quoted by another forum user in a discussion about SR (I could not find this post, although I searched it). Afterwards, Alford mentioned a real post of altoid, from October 11th, 2011 (which I found to be IT pro needed for venture backed bitcoin startup), where an email was stated: "rossulbricht at gmail dot com". And from here, the govern was led to suspect Ross being behind SR.

However, claims the documentary, this information could be planted by Karpelès (the alleged owner of BitcoinTalk) or by any other user with high level of access. Besides, the way that Alford found the respective email is compared with "finding a needle in a haystack the size of the Internet" (which I totally agree). With other words, from all the people trying to find information about SR owner, Alford only managed to find this email address. From here started the idea that the information was planted. Because if someone with high access would have made the respective post in the name of Ross then handed the information to Alford, everything looks more realistic.

The entire documentary is very interesting, but, however, its first 35 minutes are the ones raising the questions detailed in current topic. Could Karpelès be Satoshi and also DPR? Another aspect, not mentioned in the documentary, but known inside the forum, is that Karpelès also performed an audit over BitcoinTalk. Maybe this aspect would have raised even more suspicion in the documentary.


In the end, I want to mention that I found very interesting the entire film, which brings new details about Ross's case, about the unbelievable way the judge treated him or about the sabotages that some secret agencies / agents performed towards other agencies / agents. I recommend everybody to watch it, it's a must see documentary!

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Translations (in chronological order):

• Română: Cazul Silk Road: povestea adevărată nespusă. Este Karpelès Satoshi sau DPR?, translation by GazetaBitcoin
• Polish: Sprawa Silk Road: Prawdziwa, nieopowiedziana historia. Czy Karpelès to ..., translation by cygan
• Filipino: Kaso sa SilkRoad: Totoo, Hindi Masabing Kwento. Si Karpelès ba ay Satoshi o DPR?, translation by jeraldskie11
• Pidgin: Silk Road Case: De Real, Untold Story. Na Karpelès be Satoshi or DPR?, translation by sokani
• Indonesian: Kasus Silk Road:Kisah Nyata yang blm terungkap.Apakah Karpelès Satoshi atau DPR?, translation by dansus021
• Bengali: সিল্ক রোড কেস: কারপেলেস সাতোশি নাকি ডিপিআর?, translation by DYING_S0UL
• French: L'affaire Silk Road : la véritable histoire. Karpelès est-il Satoshi ou DPR ?, translation by iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2
• Urdu: سلک روڈ کیس: دی اصلی، ان کہی کہانی۔ کارپیلس س, translation by JunaidAzizi
• German: Der Fall Silk Road: Die wahre, unerzählte Geschichte. Ist MK Satoshi oder DPR?, translation by cygan

That is a good question indeed...
There are so many coincidences, questions and controversies. I wonder if we will ever find the whole truth.

I don't think the real Satoshi Nakamoto can be found anymore. If he wanted to be a public person, he would have appeared before the public at the beginning of the formation of Bitcoin, as a phenomenon. Currently, we have a lot of fake Satoshi Nakamoto, who are trying to use this name for selfish purposes.

Any other TLDRs? I couldn't handle the narrator's lack of popshield.

Being grabbed by FBI agents with the SR admin page open and responding live to a fella outside on a bench is just about convincing enough to me.

Beyond that there's so much murkiness and weirdness I wonder whether any definitive story will ever emerge. Were there multiple DPRs? Was there more law enforcement weirdness? Quite possible.

The nature of what he created and the desire for government revenge no doubt means aspects of his trial were screwed before he started. I can't see them ever letting the slightest chink of light through from the off.

My view is that he's 100% guilty and a penis. He deserves to be jailed. He most certainly doesn't deserve to be jailed for an entire lifetime. And since the trial seems so warped he should be free anyway.

Had he been directly hooking up drug makers with drug consumers that would be cool, but he was smoothing the way for all the blood money in the middle. SR removed some street level violence. It did nothing to address the horror in the manufacturing and transportation.

As for Karpeles, he comes across as stupid, dishonest and lazy. And his every other action points towards the same conclusion. DPR was none of those things. Several million times so for Satoshi.

Was this made on purpose to pin SR to Karpeles because he's a scammer anyways? xD

I just saw this topic of theymos: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5049449.0.

I wasn't aware of its existence. Apparently, he answered to some of these questions a long time ago. At least to those related to the connection between Karpeles and BitcoinTalk.

kerpeles sold domain name services

he sold one to ross

ross was caught years later still running silkroad and loads of evidence was found on rosses computer

ross was DPR

. but it is good comedy for ross to pretend he gave control to kerpeles even though ross was caught in a coffee shop with a laptop managing silkroad(red handed)

but if the guy wants to try to shift blame. he is a bit late to that defence

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its like me saying if some forum critic of mine caught me at a conference with my device logged into the forum and me typing into it . found me out
and years later i accused theymos of being franky1 because theymos offered the service(this forum) to let me register

its comedy. but a lame defence
especially when my devices browser history contains all the "post" pages and "edit post" pages of franky1 on-going from 2012-2023

Why do you think they did it?


Then again: why would Youtube censorship take action here? What was the problem with that video (assuming there was a problem with it)...?


Sadly, no matter how much I searched it, I could not find it...


Yuuuuhuuuu! That's the video! Thank you so much, dkbit98! How did you manage to find it? Excepting that, have you watched it too?

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It's easy to talk while not knowing all details and, also, while you are outside of the bars. If you'd watch the video you'll find out some details which you never knew. Among others, he was caught while running SR because DPR was asking for his help in that period, with various requests. It is also possible that DPR did that on purpose, for framing Ross. Excepting that, Police force did not follow the legal procedure after taking his laptop (details which can be also found inside the documentary), thus they could tamper the evidence before the trial. For acting like that, this evidence should have not even been taken into consideration during the trial, as it became irrelevant evidence from law point of view, yet it was taken into consideration.


The aspects from above, together with many others, were contested by Ross in all possible Courts, including the Supreme Court of Justice, where he highlighted the fact that he was not given the chance for a fair trial. Yet all his attempts failed. Now it's late for defense indeed, but this does not mean he did not try to defend himself when the time was right. Many witness have been denied in court while others were accepted, although they were not supposed to. Same happened with the evidence provided. Please watch the video then come back to this thread.

In the end, we have one man behind bard for two life sentences (plus 40 additional years) -- like someone could actually fulfill such a sentence!!! -- for a crime without victims. For running a website! A man at his first offense!

Besides, how can it be explained that all other dark market owners which were caught after Ross were also released from jail, while this man is sentenced for life?!?

The plan is you make sure they get everything they need.

Make sure! The plan is not certain!

Container code.

"I call Charles and tell him VPN is a fact?". Why we dropped the titles. Tisco elegance..

Tell them about every day life.

"Immutable". There is only one problem. People believes in it.

Very high.