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January 02, 2020, 12:45:53 PM
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I have never heard of binance freezing their user accounts for legal matters. But if this is true then we'd better store bitcoin in other wallets because we really don't know the origin of the bitcoins we buy, if we were unlucky and had our accounts frozen, 100% of us would never have received those bitcoins again. And so far storing bitcoin in exchanges has been a bad option because exchanges can be hacked at any time.
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January 02, 2020, 06:54:26 PM
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Can't blame the exchange for trying to follow due process to screen out any suspected transaction they are not comfortable with, all the many cases of hackers that have been going on lately and many of them unresolved might have compel this exchange to apply such measures,
actually, some of those btc might as well be bought from the "dirty btc" knowingly or unknowingly to trade in the exchange since it is not easy to determine where this btc are from, in this case, the exchange will do their job to protect their business, on the other hand the owner of the account will suffer the consequence if he/she is innocent. 
we do not blame the exchange for following any procedure, but we say that it is not a good idea storing on our money on any exchange. It is very difficult for us to find out if you and I bought pure bitcoin or which one was used in illegal business. if, after all, we bought a dirty bitcoin, then no one can take it from us from our wallet


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January 02, 2020, 07:14:53 PM
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Simple, stop using centralized exchanges like Binance, and start using Decentralized exchanges like Blocknet.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, that decentralized exchanges will be the future some day, accumulating these projects while they're cheap might actually be the best move looking forward.
As to my knowledge, Blocknet is the only real DEX on the market right now. Just needs more liquidity and volume Wink

You can read more about it here: https://blockdx.com/
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January 02, 2020, 10:40:42 PM
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This is really alarming if you're a fan and user of a known exchange and knowing that they are acting like this, you just have to protect yourself and be aware of the potential freezing of your account and funds. They might suspect anyone to have a dirty transaction even without further investigation but if your transactions are clean and you're not involved with any illegal activity, you don't have to worry.

The act of freezing funds from the suspects is a cooperation of Binance to the affected ones so if your account got freeze and you're clean, prove it to them.

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January 02, 2020, 10:52:11 PM
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It is reported that exchanges began to freeze accounts for having been on the accounts of a "dirty" Bitcoin. Moreover, we are talking about Binance and about the Bitcoin, which was there 5 months ago. Sad Thus, exchanges can freeze any amount of funds in order to cover cash gaps simply by tinkering with their user's transaction history. If suddenly a user once bought from someone a “dirty” BTC on OTC, send it on the exchange and then conducted operations with other BTC there for a long time, then at one moment he can get a ban and the exchange can don't give him money as much time Exchange wants.  Embarrassed I think it can affect everyone. so I share this info with you guys because I recommend you hold your money ONLY in your own wallets! so be careful and Happy New Year!
There’s a lot of cases like this and most of those account can’t be recover anymore so if you’re doing a dirty transactions then Binance is not a safe place for you because they are too strict. If you have no confident about the exchanges, then use a hard wallet and from there you can store your bitcoin without worrying of freezing your bitcoin. This concern remind us not to transact to anyone who you really don’t know especially big transactions.

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January 02, 2020, 11:08:55 PM
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It is reported that exchanges began to freeze accounts for having been on the accounts of a "dirty" Bitcoin. Moreover, we are talking about Binance and about the Bitcoin, which was there 5 months ago. Sad Thus, exchanges can freeze any amount of funds in order to cover cash gaps simply by tinkering with their user's transaction history. If suddenly a user once bought from someone a “dirty” BTC on OTC, send it on the exchange and then conducted operations with other BTC there for a long time, then at one moment he can get a ban and the exchange can don't give him money as much time Exchange wants.  Embarrassed I think it can affect everyone. so I share this info with you guys because I recommend you hold your money ONLY in your own wallets! so be careful and Happy New Year!
There’s a lot of cases like this and most of those account can’t be recover anymore so if you’re doing a dirty transactions then Binance is not a safe place for you because they are too strict. If you have no confident about the exchanges, then use a hard wallet and from there you can store your bitcoin without worrying of freezing your bitcoin. This concern remind us not to transact to anyone who you really don’t know especially big transactions.
Imagine when there's someone who bought bitcoin (dirty) from someone who he didn't know about and binance was blocking it and how it's possible to track if that was coming from the dirtry address or not? Remember there was a lot of mixer these days that increase the possibility for the dirty amounts to get spread into the market.
So, what you need to do to sell it through use the DEX. When CEx is really strict even when it's not your fault and your amounts gets blocked and DEX is the answer.
You must hold your money but when you are wanna selling it and where will you go?
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January 02, 2020, 11:19:23 PM
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If this is taken serious and it continues, so many exchanges will lose their grounds. Even the bug ones might not be excluded. Most of these things are happening because they are controlled by a central body; each of them is controlled by a centralized authority. We need a situation where individuals will be in full control of their funds, irrespective of where they might be.
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January 03, 2020, 12:30:29 AM
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It is reported that exchanges began to freeze accounts for having been on the accounts of a "dirty" Bitcoin. Moreover, we are talking about Binance and about the Bitcoin, which was there 5 months ago. Sad Thus, exchanges can freeze any amount of funds in order to cover cash gaps simply by tinkering with their user's transaction history. If suddenly a user once bought from someone a “dirty” BTC on OTC, send it on the exchange and then conducted operations with other BTC there for a long time, then at one moment he can get a ban and the exchange can don't give him money as much time Exchange wants.  Embarrassed I think it can affect everyone. so I share this info with you guys because I recommend you hold your money ONLY in your own wallets! so be careful and Happy New Year!

Great advice.

Sometimes the circumstances under which withdrawals get withheld is definitely warranting of suspicion.

It would be possible and even likely that at least one of the exchanges are not acting in good faith, and are in fact cunning operators who use this as an excuse in order to hold customer funds for a while longer while they cover their liquidity problems.

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January 03, 2020, 03:31:52 AM
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It serious problem for anyone, exchange can do anything they want if there are many "dirty" strategy to get profit in their platform. I think we must withdrawal our balance each month to avoid this isues. Don't hold so many amount of coin in exchange, it will be better if we put them in our personal wallet.
If someday we want to sell coins make it step by step, don't send all your coin. Make it 25% from total balance per day, or you can do it with 3-4 exchange.

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January 03, 2020, 03:46:41 AM
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I recommend you hold your money ONLY in your own wallets! so be careful and Happy New Year!
Yes, i agree with this, i never hold any crypto tokens in exchange. I save it in crypto wallet.
You reason to don't save your crypto in exchange because care about account Frozen. But i have another reason and this is about a Fee. Most of exchange always have huge fee to send/withdraw. So you just change to another token with more cheap to reduce fees.
In wallet is difference, you can setting the gas fee to send slow or fast.
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January 03, 2020, 04:29:47 AM
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It's true, I'm very cautious about storing on the exchange. Keep it in the wallet because it is safer and will not be disturbed by the owner of the exchange. So it is safer to put in our wallet than put it on the exchange directly if there is a gross indication of the currency that we got earlier. Preferably more careful than our money is just lost because in the freeze.

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January 03, 2020, 08:03:49 AM
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This is old cases, some people use crypto exchanges for illegal purposes such as drugs and gambling. This time exchanges take respond by freeze account to get real information about source of the money, need to doing that to save the exchanges from money laundry. Safety become priority for exchanges and KYC is the answer, maybe they will lost many member but for clean and good reputation it's worth.

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January 07, 2020, 11:16:09 AM
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This is old cases, some people use crypto exchanges for illegal purposes such as drugs and gambling. This time exchanges take respond by freeze account to get real information about source of the money, need to doing that to save the exchanges from money laundry. Safety become priority for exchanges and KYC is the answer, maybe they will lost many member but for clean and good reputation it's worth.
but it breaking all the principles of decentralization. it shouldn’t be so that you can lose your money because they have some kind of dirty story.

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January 07, 2020, 11:24:35 AM
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I agree that we must store our Bitcoins on our own personal wallet. Storing some Bitcoins to exchanges like Binance is also like investing it and being ready that it will be gone of something bad happened. So be it, we cannot question their motive why they do freeze some accounts that are suspicious and I think if they can justify that then they have all the right to do that.
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January 07, 2020, 11:25:14 AM
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It is reported that exchanges began to freeze accounts for having been on the accounts of a "dirty" Bitcoin. Moreover, we are talking about Binance and about the Bitcoin, which was there 5 months ago. Sad Thus, exchanges can freeze any amount of funds in order to cover cash gaps simply by tinkering with their user's transaction history. If suddenly a user once bought from someone a “dirty” BTC on OTC, send it on the exchange and then conducted operations with other BTC there for a long time, then at one moment he can get a ban and the exchange can don't give him money as much time Exchange wants.  Embarrassed I think it can affect everyone. so I share this info with you guys because I recommend you hold your money ONLY in your own wallets! so be careful and Happy New Year!

The fungibility of your coins is really what is at stake if you choose to hold your coins in any third party wallet or exchange.

Especially when you could have absolutely nothing to do with what the previousr owner did with their coins, but you are the one that gets flagged and your coins seized due to the fact that your coins may be not mixed properly or simply due to an exchange's suspicion.

You don't want that to happen to you, despite how remote the possibilities sound. Just store your own coins in a wallet which you hold private keys to. It's as simple as that.
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It is reported that exchanges began to freeze accounts for having been on the accounts of a "dirty" Bitcoin. Moreover, we are talking about Binance and about the Bitcoin, which was there 5 months ago. Sad Thus, exchanges can freeze any amount of funds in order to cover cash gaps simply by tinkering with their user's transaction history. If suddenly a user once bought from someone a “dirty” BTC on OTC, send it on the exchange and then conducted operations with other BTC there for a long time, then at one moment he can get a ban and the exchange can don't give him money as much time Exchange wants.  Embarrassed I think it can affect everyone. so I share this info with you guys because I recommend you hold your money ONLY in your own wallets! so be careful and Happy New Year!

The fungibility of your coins is really what is at stake if you choose to hold your coins in any third party wallet or exchange.

Especially when you could have absolutely nothing to do with what the previousr owner did with their coins, but you are the one that gets flagged and your coins seized due to the fact that your coins may be not mixed properly or simply due to an exchange's suspicion.

You don't want that to happen to you, despite how remote the possibilities sound. Just store your own coins in a wallet which you hold private keys to. It's as simple as that.
People far from technical knowledge who find it difficult to deal with the BTC Blockchain would not agree with you. It's not easy for them.
And why a person who came to this market to invest in BTC should lose his coins just because the previous owner of them was, for example, a drug dealer  Huh
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January 07, 2020, 12:18:12 PM
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It is reported that exchanges began to freeze accounts for having been on the accounts of a "dirty" Bitcoin. Moreover, we are talking about Binance and about the Bitcoin, which was there 5 months ago. Sad Thus, exchanges can freeze any amount of funds in order to cover cash gaps simply by tinkering with their user's transaction history. If suddenly a user once bought from someone a “dirty” BTC on OTC, send it on the exchange and then conducted operations with other BTC there for a long time, then at one moment he can get a ban and the exchange can don't give him money as much time Exchange wants.  Embarrassed I think it can affect everyone. so I share this info with you guys because I recommend you hold your money ONLY in your own wallets! so be careful and Happy New Year!

The fungibility of your coins is really what is at stake if you choose to hold your coins in any third party wallet or exchange.

Especially when you could have absolutely nothing to do with what the previousr owner did with their coins, but you are the one that gets flagged and your coins seized due to the fact that your coins may be not mixed properly or simply due to an exchange's suspicion.

You don't want that to happen to you, despite how remote the possibilities sound. Just store your own coins in a wallet which you hold private keys to. It's as simple as that.
People far from technical knowledge who find it difficult to deal with the BTC Blockchain would not agree with you. It's not easy for them.
And why a person who came to this market to invest in BTC should lose his coins just because the previous owner of them was, for example, a drug dealer  Huh

This wouldn't matter much if a cryptocurrency is fungible.
Afterall, tainted physical fiat currencies are in circulation & probably in the hands of most people who handle cash.  If you take away this feature of physical currencies, most people's funds will probably be frozen.
I guess freezing shouldn't happen once a tainted coin has changed hand several times. If holding such coins makes anyone feel guilty, mixing may help.




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January 07, 2020, 05:56:17 PM
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If that is the case then we could celebrate for that freezed BTC as happy as how binance is celebrating with regard to the frozen BTC, in which for us will be hodled there for a long time. But in the case of the owner of the BTC, this is devastating. Most of us just trade and if we trade with someone not reputable, frauds to be exact, and our funds become frozen, I do not think it is our responsibility to bare the lost, it is quite unreasonable right? What I could advise is when we are dealing with somebody here with a huge amount or somehow doubtful, we could freely utilize technology service such as mixers to make sure bitcoins will be clean since in the first place we know in ourselves that we are doing legal business here.
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It is reported that exchanges began to freeze accounts for having been on the accounts of a "dirty" Bitcoin. Moreover, we are talking about Binance and about the Bitcoin, which was there 5 months ago. Sad Thus, exchanges can freeze any amount of funds in order to cover cash gaps simply by tinkering with their user's transaction history. If suddenly a user once bought from someone a “dirty” BTC on OTC, send it on the exchange and then conducted operations with other BTC there for a long time, then at one moment he can get a ban and the exchange can don't give him money as much time Exchange wants.  Embarrassed I think it can affect everyone. so I share this info with you guys because I recommend you hold your money ONLY in your own wallets! so be careful and Happy New Year!

The fungibility of your coins is really what is at stake if you choose to hold your coins in any third party wallet or exchange.

Especially when you could have absolutely nothing to do with what the previousr owner did with their coins, but you are the one that gets flagged and your coins seized due to the fact that your coins may be not mixed properly or simply due to an exchange's suspicion.

You don't want that to happen to you, despite how remote the possibilities sound. Just store your own coins in a wallet which you hold private keys to. It's as simple as that.
People far from technical knowledge who find it difficult to deal with the BTC Blockchain would not agree with you. It's not easy for them.
And why a person who came to this market to invest in BTC should lose his coins just because the previous owner of them was, for example, a drug dealer  Huh
You are right buddy, people get worried about miner things and they get worried when someone suffers lose from the investment they have. It’s wrong we should know that every person has their own luck and they have a different mindset so not to underestimate anything, invest your money it will give you double profit in few months as well.
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January 08, 2020, 03:39:47 PM
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This is alarming. Although the platform are trying to prevent or they are keeping away those people with potential illegal transaction. Although it directly affect us it is still essential but what if you have been accused and you have nothing to appeal with since you aren't aware where your coin came from before you obtain it. Either way I don't see that binance would take an action with this because they would be surrounded by such dirty coins when they remove it.
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