Door To Door Forced Vaccinations Now Taking Place in Samoa

[franky1]

Just now googled "Door To Door Forced Vaccinations Now Taking Place in Samoa"

The government told most public and private workers to stay home for two days and shut down roads to nonessential vehicles as teams began going door-to-door to administer vaccines.
Families in the Pacific island nation were asked to hang red flags from their houses if they needed to be vaccinated.

if you dig a little deeper you also find that doctors are not circling every street knocking down doors and forcing vaccinations on everyone. what is actually happening is that when people are sick they call the doctor who tells them to stay home and someone will come to them to make sure its measles and then vaccinate them if needed

the real point of the reg flag/red sock on door knob is actually so that the neighbours and relatives stay away from that house for a few days to avoid themselves getting infected.

seems techshare has taken a limited scope comment and exaggerated it into being some militia style nazi campaign
its also worth noting that its mainly the kids and elderly that get priority home visits by doctors as they are the more at risk demograph.
again if techshare done some actual research its not anything like a every house is invaded and everyone is injected propaganda story he protrays it as

[franky1]

Doesn't Samoa have the best and deepest harbour in the South Pacific? It's probably the military industrial elite trying to kill off the population with their toxic vaccines.

no its the international access that brings the disease in. and the stupidity of fools thinking not being vaccinated that makes epidemics occur.

the result is that vaccine companies then make more money to then vaccinate the unvaccinated.
vaccines are not the cause. they are the effect

[Bagaji]

Vaccination can only be made compulsory when the disease has become treat to human life and maybe it is something that can be easily contacted by another human, if not I don't see reason why the government should make it compulsory for everyone to get vaccinated.

[TECSHARE]

A large portion of the measles outbreaks are resulting directly from vaccinations and then spreading. This is confirmed by genotype sequencing as the version used for vacinations is no longer in the wild.

"Rapid Identification of Measles Virus Vaccine Genotype by Real-Time PCR"
https://jcm.asm.org/content/jcm/55/3/735.full.pdf

no no no
try friggen reading the pdf you linked..
since 2002 it was said measles was irradicated and then due to international flights from countries that are not so good.. people spread the virus..
READ IT. it says it on page 1

the tests for virus vs vaccine is not about the vaccine causing a spread. its about.
" Since approximately 5% of recipients of measles virus-containing vaccine experience rash and fever which maybe indistinguishable from measles (9), it is very important to identify vaccine reactions to avoid unnecessary isolation of the patient, as well as the need for contact tracing andother labor-intensive public health interventions."

its basically saying 100% of people getting the vaccine dont get measles. but 5% get symptoms of rash and fever which are not measles but can accidently be diagnosed as measles meaning those people and their families then get isolated even though they shouldnt be BECAUSE IT WAS NOT MEASLES

please just try to read things properly

the point of the real-time PCR is to identify whos just got a rash/fever. and to just tell them to get lost. so they can actually concentrate on the unvaccinated people that have true measles

no where in the report does it highlight that its the vaccines that is causing the virus
it does mention that the virus is being imported from other countries

yep. all them hippy parents that foster/adopt kids from developing countries end up bringing across all the diseases with it.
yep all them parents saying no to vaccine make their kid a target to actually get it.

Look what else is on page 1:

"ABSTRACT: During measles outbreaks, it is important to be able to rapidly distin-guish between measles cases and vaccine reactions to avoid unnecessary outbreakresponse measures such as case isolation and contact investigations. We have devel-oped a real-time reverse transcription-PCR (RT-PCR) method specific for genotype Ameasles virus (MeV) (MeVA RT-quantitative PCR [RT-qPCR]) that can identify measlesvaccine strains rapidly, with high throughput, and without the need for sequencingto determine the genotype. We have evaluated the method independently in threemeasles reference laboratories using two platforms, the Roche LightCycler 480 sys-tem and the Applied Biosystems (ABI) 7500 real-time PCR system. In comparison tothe standard real-time RT-PCR method, the MeVA RT-qPCR showed 99.5% specificityfor genotype A and 94% sensitivity for both platforms. The new assay was able todetect RNA from five currently used vaccine strains, AIK-C, CAM-70, Edmonston-Zagreb, Moraten, and Shanghai-191. The MeVA RT-qPCR assay has been used suc-cessfully for measles surveillance in reference laboratories, and it could be readilydeployed to national and subnational laboratories on a wide scale."


"Recent measles outbreaks in the Canadian provinces of Alberta and British Columbia have emphasized the need for rapid differentiation of vaccine reactions (18, 19) from reactions to infection with the wild-type virus. During the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccinees (3). Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences (R. J. McNall, unpublished data)."

"Genotyping is used to confirm the origin of an outbreak and to exclude endemic circulation, but it is also the only way to distinguish vaccine strains from wild-type viruses."

35% of those suspected cases were recently vaccinated and tested positive for the genotype that exists only in vaccines not in the wild. That is not no one. That is a significant contribution to an outbreak and furthermore it can be factually proven to be distinct from the wild measles version via this fast genotyping method.

So maybe you need to learn to read instead of just looking for the parts you think support your point an ignoring the rest.


"The new orders are as follows;

VACCINATIONS - The Government of Samoa reinforces the Head of State Order of 15th November 2019, for compulsory national vaccinations, starting first with the prioritized target age groups:
All persons aged 6 months to 19 years old; and
Non-Pregnant Females aged 20 to 35 years.

NATIONAL VACCINATION – It is confirmed that older age groups will also be vaccinated, once the prioritised vulnerable target age groups, are completed.

TRAVEL RESTRICTON - No child under the age of 19 can travel between Upolu and Savaii, until further notice.

OFFICAL ANNOUNCEMENTS - For all official Government releases and information in relation to the Measles Epidemic, the Government Press Secretariat is the official medium of communication.

PREGNANT MOTHERS – Henceforth:
that any pregnant mother is prohibited from attending her place of employment (whether public or private sector) except if she was vaccinated before her pregnancy; o rthat any pregnant mother is prohibited from attending her place of employment (whether public or private sector) if she is in doubt about her status of vaccination before pregnancy.

INCREASE OF AGE TO 19 YEARS FOR ALL ORDERS:

With reference to the Emergency Order dated 16 November 2019, issue the following revised Orders:

all organized public gatherings must not include the presence of children up to the age of 19; and
that unless a child requires medical attention or assistance, a child up to the age of 19 is prohibited from entering any medical facility."

Those are blanket compulsory vaccination orders. You can both keep pretending those Nazi dicks you are sucking are Popsicles, it doesn't change the facts of the matter.

Franky is right.  

Compulsory just means they might get fined or banned from public places (especially children in school) if they don't get vaccinated.  ( I don't know know how exactly they are handling it in Samoa, but they obviously aren't going door to door holding down anyone who tries to refuse, I think most likely they are just saying 'NEW RULE, EVERYBODY HAS TO GET VACCINATED, THERE'S A MEASELS OUTBREAK!).  In most US states, by law if you want to send your child to public school you gotta prove they've had all the required vaccinations.  That's compulsory vaccination.  (there are medical exemptions obviously)

Google 'compulsory vaccinations' instead of just 'compulsory'

What makes the article interesting isn't that that Samoa is making the measles vaccine compulsory during a major measles outbreak, that's just common sense and happens all over the world.  It's the fact that they are taking action against people spreading anti vax propaganda and discouraging people from getting vaccinated.

Yes, you didn't bother reading the subject of the topic at all, but people that confirm your bias are right of course. You admittedly know nothing of the subject matter, but of course you are right. You didn't even bother reading the thread where I explained they are GOING DOOR TO DOOR GIVING FORCED VACCINATIONS. That is what compulsory means in this context. If the Nazis were alive today there would be a line of them around the block for the first class on your knees servicing you would be giving them. You are a repulsive human being.

Do you usually consider something to be true because it's in the topic of a thread?  I don't.

So I read the entire article you linked.  (really, the whole thing)

Just now googled "Door To Door Forced Vaccinations Now Taking Place in Samoa"

First result: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/05/samoa-measles-outbreak-families-fly-red-flags-to-request-vaccinations

Samoa’s main streets were eerily quiet on Thursday as the government stepped up efforts to curb a measles epidemic that has killed 62 people.

The government told most public and private workers to stay home for two days and shut down roads to nonessential vehicles as teams began going door-to-door to administer vaccines.

Families in the Pacific island nation were asked to hang red flags from their houses if they needed to be vaccinated.


Second result: This thread.  Topic composed by you.

https://i.gyazo.com/81e61c9bdf4ba6e5496ec10df7ab032a.png

Do you have any source, other than the topic of this thread that you wrote, that Door To Door Forced Vaccinations Now Taking Place in Samoa?  

If not, will you please edit the topic to "Door To Door Vaccinations Now Taking Place in Samoa for Families Who Request Them" so nobody else is misled.

No I consider it to be true when there are references to back it up, which there are in spite of your best attempts to ignore them.

https://samoaglobalnews.com/door-2-door-mass-vaccination2-takes-to-89-coverage-for-samoa/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-measles-samoa-idUSKBN1Y9033

https://news.yahoo.com/samoa-goes-door-door-fight-005923933.html

https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/502449

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/hawaii-team-returns-from-measles-vaccination-trip-in-samoa/news-story/b41342781a4115abfc0a29eb3b57797b

"Almost 90 per cent of eligible Samoans have now been vaccinated with a two-day curfew lifted on Saturday."

I.E. you aren't allowed to leave your homes so we can make sure you are home when we go door to door vaccinating people compulsorily.

[TwitchySeal]

TEC, how do you think they should give everyone who needs and is able to receive an MMR shot during a measles outbreak on a small island country?

Having everyone stay home and wait for the medicine to be delivered as quickly as possible is really the only option.

[BADecker]

Now, it seems, that people are getting a different kind of measles from the MMR vaccine. And it seems to be far more contagious than natural measles. And it seems to be spreading death far more than natural measles.

It may seem that way, but there has only been one reported measles related death in the United States in the past 5 years.  About 70 million MMR vaccines were given during that time.
 https://www.cdc.gov/measles/downloads/measlesdataandstatsslideset.pdf

It works something like this...

"It's too dangerous, and we can't get away with it, in the States. So, where would be a good place... ?"

Samoa!!!

[BADecker]

TEC, how do you think they should give everyone who needs and is able to receive an MMR shot during a measles outbreak on a small island country?

Having everyone stay home and wait for the medicine to be delivered as quickly as possible is really the only option.

... And, the easiest option for finding those who don't want it, as well.

[franky1]

techshare. read and interpret your own stuff your quoting properly

you keep thinking its a every door gets knocked nazi campaign..

just check your own notes
because if it was a everyone gets jabbed they would not be selectively going to red flag doors
because if it was a everyone gets jabbed they would not be selectively going to houses with children but not the elderly first
because if it was a everyone gets jabbed they would not be selectively going to houses with pregnant females but not the elderly first

so while your mind is imagining some militila guard knocking on every door. that is not the case.

lets word it another way.
lets imagine you were a middle aged male samoan.. no one would knock on your door. you can go to work. you can go grocery shopping.. be happy

as for the other stuff about the vaccine strain vs wild strain..
you have been ignorant of the numbers of the 95% where the 5% is a false positive of people showing symptoms of measles but not actually having it.

yes of course if you have 2000 people vaccinated you would have 100 showing symptoms and when tested it showing up that they were vaccinated.
this does not mean they have measles it means its a false positive result

what you are not reading is the words
vaccine reaction
vs
infections from wild type

and yes those who have had the vaccine will of course have a vaccine strain in the blood stream
what your not realising is the vaccine is a non-infectious form
its basically symptoms without the health threat. or simply put an allergic reaction

this is why it has been important to distinguish the difference so they know who is just having an alergic reaction and who is truly infectious and at risk to their health and health of those they come into contact with.

if you really wanted to pick a battle to be propagandised as a nazi campaign like your trying. im afraid to tell you. you picked the wrong battle

oh and remember to check your own notes if you want to start down the curfew avenue.. its not a nazi everyone stay in your home and militarised doctors will break down every door to jab everyone.
its a social order for only the atrisk groups to segregate themselves temporarily. your own notes show pregnant women the elderly and kids should not go to populated area's where groups of people congregate.

[TECSHARE]

techshare. read and interpret your own stuff your quoting properly

you keep thinking its a every door gets knocked nazi campaign..

just check your own notes
because if it was a everyone gets jabbed they would not be selectively going to red flag doors
because if it was a everyone gets jabbed they would not be selectively going to houses with children but not the elderly first
because if it was a everyone gets jabbed they would not be selectively going to houses with pregnant females but not the elderly first

so while your mind is imagining some militila guard knocking on every door. that is not the case.

lets word it another way.
lets imagine you were a middle aged male samoan.. no one would knock on your door. you can go to work. you can go grocery shopping.. be happy

as for the other stuff about the vaccine strain vs wild strain..
you have been ignorant of the numbers of the 95% where the 5% is a false positive of people showing symptoms of measles but not actually having it.

yes of course if you have 2000 people vaccinated you would have 100 showing symptoms and when tested it showing up that they were vaccinated.
this does not mean they have measles it means its a false positive result

what you are not reading is the words
vaccine reaction
vs
infections from wild type

and yes those who have had the vaccine will of course have a vaccine strain in the blood stream
what your not realising is the vaccine is a non-infectious form
its basically symptoms without the health threat. or simply put an allergic reaction

this is why it has been important to distinguish the difference so they know who is just having an alergic reaction and who is truly infectious and at risk to their health and health of those they come into contact with.

if you really wanted to pick a battle to be propagandised as a nazi campaign like your trying. im afraid to tell you. you picked the wrong battle

oh and remember to check your own notes if you want to start down the curfew avenue.. its not a nazi everyone stay in your home and militarised doctors will break down every door to jab everyone.
its a social order for only the atrisk groups to segregate themselves temporarily. your own notes show pregnant women the elderly and kids should not go to populated area's where groups of people congregate.

TL;DR

"They used red flags, so the published emergency orders mandating vaccination are null and void. Slurp slurp slurp!"

Yeah, Nazis certainly weren't the type to force people to stay in their homes or to subject people to endure medical treatment against their will. I mean informed consent laws certainly were not created in a direct response to Nazi medical experimentation or anything.

[TwitchySeal]

TL;DR

"They used red flags, so the published emergency orders mandating vaccination are null and void. Slurp slurp slurp!"

Yeah, Nazis certainly weren't the type to force people to stay in their homes or to subject people to endure medical treatment against their will. I mean informed consent laws certainly were not created in a direct response to Nazi medical experimentation or anything.

I think they're just trying to stop a measles outbreak from getting any worse.  

What do you think they're trying to do?

If you were there and unvaccinated, or you had young children who hadn't received the shot, would you not put the red flag out and thank whoever brought you the free medication? 

[TECSHARE]

TL;DR

"They used red flags, so the published emergency orders mandating vaccination are null and void. Slurp slurp slurp!"

Yeah, Nazis certainly weren't the type to force people to stay in their homes or to subject people to endure medical treatment against their will. I mean informed consent laws certainly were not created in a direct response to Nazi medical experimentation or anything.

I think they're just trying to stop a measles outbreak from getting any worse.  

What do you think they're trying to do?

If you were there and unvaccinated, or you had young children who hadn't received the shot, would you not put the red flag out and thank whoever brought you the free medication? 

Does intent have anything to do with results? It doesn't matter what "I would do". Once again you just pretend this is not compulsory regardless of wide reports of them going door to door, a state issued order clearly stating it is compulsory, and a 2 day curfew where they shut down everything so they make sure you are in your home when they get there. Keep pretending. Slurp slurp.

[TwitchySeal]

TL;DR

"They used red flags, so the published emergency orders mandating vaccination are null and void. Slurp slurp slurp!"

Yeah, Nazis certainly weren't the type to force people to stay in their homes or to subject people to endure medical treatment against their will. I mean informed consent laws certainly were not created in a direct response to Nazi medical experimentation or anything.

I think they're just trying to stop a measles outbreak from getting any worse.  

What do you think they're trying to do?

If you were there and unvaccinated, or you had young children who hadn't received the shot, would you not put the red flag out and thank whoever brought you the free medication? 

Does intent have anything to do with results? It doesn't matter what "I would do". Once again you just pretend this is not compulsory regardless of wide reports of them going door to door, a state issued order clearly stating it is compulsory, and a 2 day curfew where they shut down everything so they make sure you are in your home when they get there. Keep pretending. Slurp slurp.

Honestly just curious what your opinion is. 

[TECSHARE]

Does intent have anything to do with results? It doesn't matter what "I would do". Once again you just pretend this is not compulsory regardless of wide reports of them going door to door, a state issued order clearly stating it is compulsory, and a 2 day curfew where they shut down everything so they make sure you are in your home when they get there. Keep pretending. Slurp slurp.

Honestly just curious what your opinion is. 

No you're not, you are avoiding addressing the issue by deflecting to my personal opinion which is totally irrelevant.

[franky1]

TL;DR

yep we already know you dont take the time to read stuff..

"They used red flags, so the published emergency orders mandating vaccination are null and void. Slurp slurp slurp!"

Yeah, Nazis certainly weren't the type to force people to stay in their homes or to subject people to endure medical treatment against their will. I mean informed consent laws certainly were not created in a direct response to Nazi medical experimentation or anything.

seems your still ignorant.
comparing nazi germany to samoa is a extremely large stretch. but hey this thread is starting to highlight more about your actions than samoa

goodluck with your propaganda that people were forced at gunpoint.
yea i know your next going to post foolish opinions that kids at playgrounds were being shot because they just wanted to play.
yea i know your next going to post foolish opinions that elderly were being shot because they couldnt walk home fast enough.

sorry but it wasnt some military campaign. it was just common sense health advice.. if ur sick or at risk of getting sick, stay home

..
next time try to understand the concept that the whole point of testing if someone actually has measles or just a allergic reaction to the vaccine is simple. so that only the sick get immunised.
it is not some nazi blanket campaign to jab everyone in sight.
and yes those classed as just allergic get what.. (heres your change to guess).. hint (gets to be told they are actually ok and get to carry on with their life
thats the point of testing. the government doesnt want to actually just jab everyone in sight.

[BADecker]

TL;DR

yep we already know you dont take the time to read stuff..

"They used red flags, so the published emergency orders mandating vaccination are null and void. Slurp slurp slurp!"

Yeah, Nazis certainly weren't the type to force people to stay in their homes or to subject people to endure medical treatment against their will. I mean informed consent laws certainly were not created in a direct response to Nazi medical experimentation or anything.

seems your still ignorant.
comparing nazi germany to samoa is a extremely large stretch. but hey this thread is starting to highlight more about your actions than samoa

goodluck with your propaganda that people were forced at gunpoint.
yea i know your next going to post foolish opinions that kids at playgrounds were being shot because they just wanted to play.
yea i know your next going to post foolish opinions that elderly were being shot because they couldnt walk home fast enough.

sorry but it wasnt some military campaign. it was just common sense health advice.. if ur sick or at risk of getting sick, stay home

..
next time try to understand the concept that the whole point of testing if someone actually has measles or just a allergic reaction to the vaccine is simple. so that only the sick get immunised.
it is not some nazi blanket campaign to jab everyone in sight.
and yes those classed as just allergic get what.. (heres your change to guess).. hint (gets to be told they are actually ok and get to carry on with their life
thats the point of testing. the government doesnt want to actually just jab everyone in sight.

Wake up and realize that government is just some paperwork. Government doesn't want anything, because paperwork doesn't think. It's people who act as government officials that want things. But because other people don't understand this, they bow to the wishes of government people rather to their own wishes. Even the courts use this line of thinking all the time.

[franky1]

the government is not paperwork.
the paperwork is policies made to keep government in operation and ensure people follow rules to reduce risk of harming others

the sooner you learn how things work and the reality of what actually happens. the sooner you can learn whats best to do and not do not just for yourself but for others. which leads you to have many choices of doing many things and without fear of being treated badly.

or you can just think negatively and exaggerate things to such an extent you become fearful of stupid things normal people dont fear. and feel like you need to fight to do things. instead of just do things

[BADecker]

the government is not paperwork.
the paperwork is policies made to keep government in operation and ensure people follow rules to reduce risk of harming others

the sooner you learn how things work and the reality of what actually happens. the sooner you can learn whats best to do and not do not just for yourself but for others. which leads you to have many choices of doing many things and without fear of being treated badly.

or you can just think negatively and exaggerate things to such an extent you become fearful of stupid things normal people dont fear. and feel like you need to fight to do things. instead of just do things

Without people, the government is just paperwork. The people don't stop being people just because they promise to uphold government paperwork.

Anybody who is a man or woman is subject to law suit by any other man or woman... even if he acts in government capacity for 8 or 10 hours a day.

[TwitchySeal]

I think they're just trying to stop a measles outbreak from getting any worse.  

What do you think they're trying to do?

If you were there and unvaccinated, or you had young children who hadn't received the shot, would you not put the red flag out and thank whoever brought you the free medication?  

Does intent have anything to do with results? It doesn't matter what "I would do". Once again you just pretend this is not compulsory regardless of wide reports of them going door to door, a state issued order clearly stating it is compulsory, and a 2 day curfew where they shut down everything so they make sure you are in your home when they get there. Keep pretending. Slurp slurp.

Honestly just curious what your opinion is.  

No you're not, you are avoiding addressing the issue by deflecting to my personal opinion which is totally irrelevant.

I think you're opinion on what they should've done is very relevant to your opinion that they shouldn't have done what they did.

[TECSHARE]

I think they're just trying to stop a measles outbreak from getting any worse.  

What do you think they're trying to do?

If you were there and unvaccinated, or you had young children who hadn't received the shot, would you not put the red flag out and thank whoever brought you the free medication?  

No you're not, you are avoiding addressing the issue by deflecting to my personal opinion which is totally irrelevant.

I think you're opinion on what they should've done is very relevant to your opinion that they shouldn't have done what they did.

My opinion is vaccinations should not be compulsory. This is compulsory vaccination no matter how much you want to imagine the bad thoughts away. People should have a right to choose what goes into their bodies. Bodily autonomy is about as critical of a right as anyone has. The rest of the debate is irrelevant to this fact.

[TwitchySeal]

I think they're just trying to stop a measles outbreak from getting any worse.  

What do you think they're trying to do?

If you were there and unvaccinated, or you had young children who hadn't received the shot, would you not put the red flag out and thank whoever brought you the free medication?  

No you're not, you are avoiding addressing the issue by deflecting to my personal opinion which is totally irrelevant.

I think you're opinion on what they should've done is very relevant to your opinion that they shouldn't have done what they did.

My opinion is vaccinations should not be compulsory. This is compulsory vaccination no matter how much you want to imagine the bad thoughts away. People should have a right to choose what goes into their bodies. Bodily autonomy is about as critical of a right as anyone has. The rest of the debate is irrelevant to this fact.

Would you be ok if they said "There's a serious measles out break right now.  We are declaring a state of emergency.  All businesses are closed and everyone should stay in their homes for the next 2 days.  If you haven't received the MMR vaccine you should put a red flag on your door and we will send someone to administer it for free."