US President Donald Trump has threatened Iran

[KingScorpio]

Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost or damage incurred at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE. This is not a Warning, it is a Threat.

Note Source From : https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1212121026072592384

thats very sad, i mean iran and entire iranian population is being taken guilty for stuff they might not even have anything something to do with.

[1715389119]

1715389119

[1715389119]

1715389119

[1715389119]

1715389119

[BADecker]

Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost or damage incurred at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE. This is not a Warning, it is a Threat.

Note Source From : https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1212121026072592384

Notice that the source is Twitter. Is Twitter a legally accepted source of legal presidential speech? In other words, if Trump gets on Twitter, and orders the military to do military exercises, does the military have to obey if there is no standard form of orders sent by the President to them through standard military channels?

Anybody can get on Twitter and say the same things that Trump did. So what? There is no harm done against anybody. Name the man or woman in Trump's threat. Iran is a corporation of sorts. It isn't any man or woman. And Trump did absolutely nothing legal or illegal that threatens any man or woman through his Tweet.

If somebody wants to be scared of what Trump said, that's his stupidity, not Trump's. After all, it is Trump the man who Tweets... not Trump the President.

[ubercool]

With US doing air strikes and killing top generals of Iran, it might be the first strike towards world war 3. North Korea must be feeling jealous by all this as we all know Kim Jong un wants the lime light always on him. Iran will respond to this soon and we may see a war.

[mindrust]

With US doing air strikes and killing top generals of Iran, it might be the first strike towards world war 3. North Korea must be feeling jealous by all this as we all know Kim Jong un wants the lime light always on him. Iran will respond to this soon and we may see a war.

Iran doesn't need to kill a US general to give an answer.

They'll probably close Hormuz to the oil carrying ships and then boom OIL at >$100 and it triggers a major worldwide economic crisis.

It will make Iran look cool too. It will make Iran look innocent. Tbh, I don't really know if they really are innocent. Maybe they are, maybe they are not, but I know this: USA need this war more than Iran.

The financial system in the US is choking. The Dollar is weak. Iphone sales isn't enough to keep the economy alive now. China make their own phones and cars. They can't sell enough stuff to China. China refuses to stay as a slave.

They need to feed the guys in Texas. Empty and reload. The inventories are full. They need to use these guns on somewhere. Anywhere. Then the peace arrives. Till the gun inventories in the US gets filled again.

[PrimeNumber7]

With US doing air strikes and killing top generals of Iran, it might be the first strike towards world war 3. North Korea must be feeling jealous by all this as we all know Kim Jong un wants the lime light always on him. Iran will respond to this soon and we may see a war.

I would think NK would be afraid of what happens in Iran. The US has largely avoided using military force against NK since the end of the war in Korea. The US attacking Iran and/or going to War with Iran shows NK the US is willing to engage in a military conflict and this may cause problems in NK with Kim’s people and more importantly his military.

If the US continues targeted military strikes against Iran, there may be defections within the military

[TwitchySeal]

Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost or damage incurred at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE. This is not a Warning, it is a Threat.

Note Source From : https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1212121026072592384

Notice that the source is Twitter. Is Twitter a legally accepted source of legal presidential speech? In other words, if Trump gets on Twitter, and orders the military to do military exercises, does the military have to obey if there is no standard form of orders sent by the President to them through standard military channels?

Anybody can get on Twitter and say the same things that Trump did. So what? There is no harm done against anybody. Name the man or woman in Trump's threat. Iran is a corporation of sorts. It isn't any man or woman. And Trump did absolutely nothing legal or illegal that threatens any man or woman through his Tweet.

If somebody wants to be scared of what Trump said, that's his stupidity, not Trump's. After all, it is Trump the man who Tweets... not Trump the President.

Trump tweets are considered 'official statements'.  Same as if he addressed the Nation on TV or talked to a reporter or released a written statement. 

[BADecker]

Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost or damage incurred at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE. This is not a Warning, it is a Threat.

Note Source From : https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1212121026072592384

Notice that the source is Twitter. Is Twitter a legally accepted source of legal presidential speech? In other words, if Trump gets on Twitter, and orders the military to do military exercises, does the military have to obey if there is no standard form of orders sent by the President to them through standard military channels?

Anybody can get on Twitter and say the same things that Trump did. So what? There is no harm done against anybody. Name the man or woman in Trump's threat. Iran is a corporation of sorts. It isn't any man or woman. And Trump did absolutely nothing legal or illegal that threatens any man or woman through his Tweet.

If somebody wants to be scared of what Trump said, that's his stupidity, not Trump's. After all, it is Trump the man who Tweets... not Trump the President.

Trump tweets are considered 'official statements'.  Same as if he addressed the Nation on TV or talked to a reporter or released a written statement. 

So, the military starts their military exercises if Trump orders them to do so, over Twitter, but not through regular channels?

[ubercool]

With US doing air strikes and killing top generals of Iran, it might be the first strike towards world war 3. North Korea must be feeling jealous by all this as we all know Kim Jong un wants the lime light always on him. Iran will respond to this soon and we may see a war.

Iran doesn't need to kill a US general to give an answer.

They'll probably close Hormuz to the oil carrying ships and then boom OIL at >$100 and it triggers a major worldwide economic crisis.

It will make Iran look cool too. It will make Iran look innocent. Tbh, I don't really know if they really are innocent. Maybe they are, maybe they are not, but I know this: USA need this war more than Iran.

The financial system in the US is choking. The Dollar is weak. Iphone sales isn't enough to keep the economy alive now. China make their own phones and cars. They can't sell enough stuff to China. China refuses to stay as a slave.

They need to feed the guys in Texas. Empty and reload. The inventories are full. They need to use these guns on somewhere. Anywhere. Then the peace arrives. Till the gun inventories in the US gets filled again.

Iran closing Hormuz will eventually be advantageous to US. Don't forget that they too have their reserves.
Another point to note is that what if there comes a stable government in US after 2020 elections..? What if they agree to the nuclear treaty..?

[TwitchySeal]

Iran will be held fully responsible for lives lost or damage incurred at any of our facilities. They will pay a very BIG PRICE. This is not a Warning, it is a Threat.

Note Source From : https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1212121026072592384

Notice that the source is Twitter. Is Twitter a legally accepted source of legal presidential speech? In other words, if Trump gets on Twitter, and orders the military to do military exercises, does the military have to obey if there is no standard form of orders sent by the President to them through standard military channels?

Anybody can get on Twitter and say the same things that Trump did. So what? There is no harm done against anybody. Name the man or woman in Trump's threat. Iran is a corporation of sorts. It isn't any man or woman. And Trump did absolutely nothing legal or illegal that threatens any man or woman through his Tweet.

If somebody wants to be scared of what Trump said, that's his stupidity, not Trump's. After all, it is Trump the man who Tweets... not Trump the President.

Trump tweets are considered 'official statements'.  Same as if he addressed the Nation on TV or talked to a reporter or released a written statement.  

So, the military starts their military exercises if Trump orders them to do so, over Twitter, but not through regular channels?

No.  They're just official statements.

There are different protocols for different types of military orders, I think he has to call a red phone somewhere that only ever rings when it's the president.  

If he wants to order a nuclear attack while he's playing golf, he'd have to use the nuclear football.

Not sure what the protocol is for assassinations like yesterday.  He was probably in some secure room at Mar A Lago being updated the whole time.

[Spendulus]

I'm not sure what the alternative here was. Soleimani was a terrorist greater than Osama bin Laden who was involved in nearly 20% of the deaths during the Iraqi War. He has American blood on his hands and was continually coordinating terrorism attacks on U.S. troops. His killing was without a doubt the correct move. ....

Sounds like a de-escalation of tensions to me.

[PemburuKepala]

He did not threaten, Obama and other dickless wonders threatened. Trump kicked them in the balls!
NICE!

[marcous]

Today World War 3 has become a trending topic on various social media, especially Twitter. The US always starts a war under the leadership of different presidents. They consider that the top brass in Iran was a terrorist.
If the flashback is reminiscent of the case of Osama Bin Laden who was accused of being involved as the mastermind of the 9/11 WTC tragedy.

[squatz1]

I'm not sure what the alternative here was. Soleimani was a terrorist greater than Osama bin Laden who was involved in nearly 20% of the deaths during the Iraqi War. He has American blood on his hands and was continually coordinating terrorism attacks on U.S. troops. His killing was without a doubt the correct move. ....

Sounds like a de-escalation of tensions to me.

+1 to that.

The Democratic line of defense here revolves around the fact that the Dems think that they should've been allowed to vote on the strike beforehand and had been told about the strike beforehand. Trump (and the Republicans) are probably going to say that the reason that they didn't tell the Dems is that they didn't trust them, which I suppose is a fair line of reasoning.

Trump (and the rest of the admin) only have to legally inform the Gang of Eight (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight_(intelligence)) on intelligence, which includes members such as Schiff, Nunez, Burr, Warner, Pelosi, McCarthy, McConnell, Schumer in both the House and the Senate. But in 'extradinary circumstances' the admin can withhold information, which is what they did in this particular situation.

Both sides use this excuse when the other party is in power. Nothing changes though. Politics baby.

[TwitchySeal]

I'm not sure what the alternative here was. Soleimani was a terrorist greater than Osama bin Laden who was involved in nearly 20% of the deaths during the Iraqi War. He has American blood on his hands and was continually coordinating terrorism attacks on U.S. troops. His killing was without a doubt the correct move. ....

Sounds like a de-escalation of tensions to me.

+1 to that.

The Democratic line of defense here revolves around the fact that the Dems think that they should've been allowed to vote on the strike beforehand and had been told about the strike beforehand. Trump (and the Republicans) are probably going to say that the reason that they didn't tell the Dems is that they didn't trust them, which I suppose is a fair line of reasoning.

Trump (and the rest of the admin) only have to legally inform the Gang of Eight (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight_(intelligence)) on intelligence, which includes members such as Schiff, Nunez, Burr, Warner, Pelosi, McCarthy, McConnell, Schumer in both the House and the Senate. But in 'extradinary circumstances' the admin can withhold information, which is what they did in this particular situation.

Both sides use this excuse when the other party is in power. Nothing changes though. Politics baby.

I found this article pretty interesting https://www.lawfareblog.com/did-president-have-domestic-legal-authority-kill-qassem-soleimani

tldr; There are a couple different ways the Trump administration could choose to defend his decision to order the strike without notifying the GO8 as legal, and he likely won't take any political damage for doing so, but it will be interesting to see which argument he uses.  And he is required to choose one - it will most likely be statuary authority or Article 2 authority.  This stuff is complicated.  Also pretty interesting imo.

[Spendulus]

I'm not sure what the alternative here was. Soleimani was a terrorist greater than Osama bin Laden who was involved in nearly 20% of the deaths during the Iraqi War. He has American blood on his hands and was continually coordinating terrorism attacks on U.S. troops. His killing was without a doubt the correct move. ....

Sounds like a de-escalation of tensions to me.

+1 to that.

The Democratic line of defense here revolves around the fact that the Dems think that they should've been allowed to vote on the strike beforehand and had been told about the strike beforehand. ....

Well, that ain't the way it works.

[Gyfts]

I'm not sure what the alternative here was. Soleimani was a terrorist greater than Osama bin Laden who was involved in nearly 20% of the deaths during the Iraqi War. He has American blood on his hands and was continually coordinating terrorism attacks on U.S. troops. His killing was without a doubt the correct move. ....

Sounds like a de-escalation of tensions to me.

We are way beyond the point of de-escalation. Iran has acted out aggressively just short of formal declaration of war against the U.S. Destroying American drones, killing U.S. civilians and attacking soldiers, engaging in military drills with U.S. adversaries, and storming the largest embassy and setting it on fire, how do you de-escalate this?

This is also avoiding the fact that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced that Soleimani was engaged in terrorist plot to kill hundreds of Americans. - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pompeo-us-strike-irans-soleimani-saved-american-lives/story?id=68047185

The U.S. had no choice but to kill him.

[eddie13]

I think Trump is about to punk out Iran just like he punked Kim out not too far back..
The USA is no pandering and appeasing pussy under Trump..

We wouldn't have to go to "war" with Iran.. Just push a few more buttons similar to the last one he just pushed, what was it another 52 buttons pre-programmed, and Iran would be in turmoil probably rendering them harmless..

As far as Russia and China.. I don't think they are near as big a threat as most try to make them out to be, and they don't want a piece of the USA either if they know what's good for them, even combined + NK, they don't have much of shit effective much past their boarders so they can all sit down and STFU..

[sovie]

Before USA invasion to Iraq, it was called venice of Asia.
Before Libya was invaded for democracy, it's people enjoy free education, medical and other facilities.
So it's time for USA to invade another country this time in the name of ?

[Naida_BR]

Before USA invasion to Iraq, it was called venice of Asia.
Before Libya was invaded for democracy, it's people enjoy free education, medical and other facilities.
So it's time for USA to invade another country this time in the name of ?

They are not going to Invade Iran, because Iran is not the same as Iraq or Libya.
Iran is united and they are going to be beaten in Middle East easily. They made a huge mistake by killing Soleimani. They are going to face a lot of anger and they have brought instability in all around the world.
-Kim Yong Un is laughing from his cave-

[dogtana]

Now that the elections are coming at 2020 he is going to be more offensive to foreign countries.
The US politicians especially the Republicans are feeding their voters and try to convince them by threatening other countries around the world in order to show them dominance. Trump is doing this as well now.

so the us is a nation that hates foreigners?

I think Naida's comments are sort of "generally true." But I do not think they apply to Trump, who has defused numerous international conflicts and who is more oriented toward tough trade deals than any sort of military posturing.

I guess your great leader proved you wrong. There goes the Nobel prize down the drain. All just to divert attention from the impeachment process. What was he so scared of, there was no way it would have succeeded. An ego of an idiot prevails over lives and peace I guess.