I have read through the thread here. So much has been posted therefore I wanted to reply to some of the posts.
@JollyGood, I think it is not appropriate use of red trust to tag campaign participants. I agree it looks very shay for someone on DT1 to promote an exchange with an infinite number of complaints never solved. I even understand your intentions which is unabling the signature promotion around. But still it is not a decent reason to tag someone with red trust as an more larger group of users are already engaged in similar signature promotion. Let alone administration handle it as theymos did it last time by banning all the signatures, that could be the best way possible.
Same can be said to @marlboroza if they are willing to consider.
hacker1001101001 I am sorry to say I am somewhat disappointed with the content of the post you made because you incorrectly stated that I and gave red trust to the OP for the sole reason because he ran a particular signature campaign. This is the text of the feedback I left for the OP on 27th December 2019 (
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1003533):
BEWARE: wolwoo is not capable of engaging in a civilised debate. This user should not be trusted under any circumstances.
He is highly irrational, very immature and extremely condescending. He is heavily promoting the scam Yobit Exchange for the sake of a few pennies. There are allegations of him being in a small circle of Trust/merit scammers too.For the sake of appeasement (if the majority of consensus prefer) I am happy to remove the comment about him promoting his signature campaign but can you see from the edited proposed feedback I will leave, it actually makes
no difference to the essence of why red trust was left for the OP? There is factually nothing incorrect about what I wrote in the feedback:
BEWARE: wolwoo is not capable of engaging in a civilised debate. This user should not be trusted under any circumstances.
He is highly irrational, very immature and extremely condescending. He is heavily promoting the scam Yobit Exchange for the sake of a few pennies. There are allegations of him being in a small circle of Trust/merit scammers too.Going a step further, please check this post I made 5 days ago when suchmoon was accused of negatively tagging everybody that was participating in the Yobit campaign:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211902.180In that linked post I corrected the allegation against suchmoon because he only left negative trust for Yobit and I also categorically stated the following:
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Other than leaving red trust for Yobit and just one Yobit signature promoter (because of his condescending conduct and deliberate misdirection not failure to justify why he was a die-hard Yobit promoter), I did not leave feedback for Yobit signature promoter.
In my view anybody promoting a scam are guilty of being a scam too simply by association but more important than that is the view I hold they are most probably more ignorant than anything else therefore I do not leave red trust for that reason alone. Had signature promoters investigated the facts fully then most would probably not participate in those scam campaigns."
At time of writing I was and still am against tagging
everybody or
anybody specifically because they are participating in a scam culture signature campaign for the reasons stated above. I gave reasons for specifically tagging the Yobit user account and the OP user account.
I feel without a shadow of doubt my negative tagging for the Yobit account and the OP is fully justified based on merit alone, therefore for you to say I made inappropriate use of the trust feedback system by tagging the OP is in my opinion incorrect. Please correct me if you feel I am wrong.
TL;DR : the tags you got are wrong use of trust system and you alone should not be targeted for campaign promotion.
Agreed, very insightful as are your other comments regarding the current DT system.
I hope @theymos is noticing that the current trust feedback structure is being used to silence dissenting opinions in the forum like some oppressive political weapon...
Once it's established that a member may be voicing unpopular or provocative opinions like Wolwoo here, it almost inevitably follows that some character assasinators like jollygood will emerge from their holes to paint these "renegades" red based on their non-trust related snowflake personal feelings, and the forum goes back to being an echo chamber of mediocre, lukewarm and extremely safe opinions, instead of the open-minded, intellectual platform most rational participants would presumably desire to have...
Personal feelings should not play a part in anything when it comes leaving negative trust but factual evidence should and does for most.
Simply reading the way somebody posts, reading through the topics they post in, reading through their justifications for participating in actions/inactions that many finds either distasteful, shady or even abhorrent, looking through the number of merits they send and receive and from/to who, looking at who is in their trust list and who is in their distrust list, looking at what their general aims and motives might be adding to their particular aggressive or petulant/immature mindset linked with obvious low tolerance of others and false sense or self-importance alongside an overinflated ego
does give more than enough evidence for rational users to add appropriate feedback/trust. Add to that the regular barrage of profanities then things become even more clearer if that were even possible.
The OP seems to be a highly unstable individual who should take a break from this forum for a few weeks just to reset his mindset. Maybe when he returns he might be able to start engaging in a polite and courteous manner with users other than those from the Turkish language board and those that are part of the merit abuse and fake feedback circle that he participates in.
The OP is obviously lashing out at too many users especially those that have been around this forum protecting it, defending it, helping it and holding up its integrity for years. His judgement is failing him, he should try to build bridges and stop trying to fight the world when
there is nobody fighting him...
@Vispillio I do hope that you're being sarcastic? What's become of this shithole? You're even claiming that JollyGood is evil, the kind which can only be compared to the accusations that I receive. Have most of you fucking lost your minds? Not many years ago you as a position of any authority were not allowed to call another position of authority e.g. a scammer without very substantial proof for this claim. Here we are today, you defending somebody who does the following:
Sounds like the system has indeed improved a lot in the last 2 years, now it's like fucking Twitter.
No Lauda he is not being sarcastic at all. It is called
misdirection... a technique commonly used by any and all that want to try to deflect attention away from the real issue and try to open up another avenue for discussion.
I am not surprised at all for him trying to make the OP look like a victim that is being singled-out and hounded by a group of vigilantes but there problem for him is that there are no vigilantes. Some members of our community left negative trust for the OP based on their opinions of what they saw in his posts. I cannot speak for others but here is the negative trust I left for the OP, I can see nothing in that which is factually incorrect:
BEWARE: wolwoo is not capable of engaging in a civilised debate. This user should not be trusted under any circumstances.
He is highly irrational, very immature and extremely condescending. He is heavily promoting the scam Yobit Exchange for the sake of a few pennies. There are allegations of him being in a small circle of Trust/merit scammers too.10% extra token guaranteed
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When you post it like that marlboroza it become even more blatantly obvious but going by his overtly aggressive mindset with some profanities replacing courteous words and his failure for justifying
exactly why he is hell-bent of refusing to accept there is anything even in the slightest bit shady (let alone a full blown scam) going on at Yobit, can only demonstrate he seems to be as much stubborn as he is aggressive.
@wolwoo, I understand your frustration, and being forced to make these arguments in English is probably adding to your frustration. But anger isn't going to help you convince anyone that you are right. In fact most will likely see it as immature, and choose to side against you as a result. It's unappealing, and won't convince anyone.
I tend to agree that tagging someone for wearing Yobit's current signature isn't a good use of the trust system. But I also understand why YOU were tagged and not others. When Yobit tried to peddle their "InvestBox" pump and dump scheme using the forum's members, you defended them. You tried to convince everyone that it's okay to promote what is an obvious scam, designed to look like an investment. By doing so you lost credibility with me, and probably anyone who's seen this type of scam attempt before.
DireWolfM14 please note I did not tag the OP because he is participating in a signature campaign. I tagged the OP specifically for the reasons already listed above. I also stated several days ago I am against tagging users just because of the campaigns they participate in.
You are spot on, he lost credibility when he tried (and still is trying) to convince the
investment scam is an
investment plan as many of us have seen these types of scams before. In his mind he knows he has lost his DT1 rank and he knows he has no chance of becoming a Merit Source member and that is why he is lashing out.
I really enjoy the irony of many people who go to Bitcointalk only to say Bitcoin(talk) is dead! If that would be true, why are you here?
I called you out on what I consider incorrect use of the Trust system:
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wolwoo1. In one week, this DT1-member added 24 users to
his Trust list. Most of those users never left any feedback and don't have a custom Trust list. Therefore, they don't belong on DT2, and the user who adds them doesn't belong on DT1.
2. 4 months ago, this user left positive feedback to 16 users, all without reference link. The only thing they seem to have in common is their nationality, just like the users on his Trust list. That shouldn't be a reason to give them positive feedback and/or DT2-powers.
3. This user leaves
retaliation feedback.
And that is it Loyce. The fact he has seen his DT1 rank dropped is something has played a massive part in his tantrum.
I know part of the problem is his lack of English skills and the obvious using of online translators which on most occasions simply add another layer complexity over the original ramblings, rantings and ravings the OP regularly seems to post.
If he had responded to your post with factual evidence justifying how and why those merits and trusts were received and given, we all would have seen the post. We all could have made an opinion about it but the evidence you have captured speaks volumes about what the OP is actually doing so how can any member simply accept it without pointing it out to him?
