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November 17, 2019, 02:21:05 PM
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All Schiff wants is to sell you gold through his company and he's not even a good salesman. I saw his showing off his gold card that works as his portable wallet and saying that with it he can take his gold anywhere. He doesn't even understand that owning a card isn't like owning a bitcoin wallet. You still have to believe that some other people will believe this is gold and some other people will vouch for your card.

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November 18, 2019, 02:51:17 AM
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All Schiff wants is to sell you gold through his company and he's not even a good salesman. I saw his showing off his gold card that works as his portable wallet and saying that with it he can take his gold anywhere. He doesn't even understand that owning a card isn't like owning a bitcoin wallet. You still have to believe that some other people will believe this is gold and some other people will vouch for your card.

A card is not gold obviously. Peter Schiff does not want to admit that owning an asset does not have to go through middlemen or third parties. When someone owns Bitcoin, considered by many as the digital gold, he owns it and holds it and can even spend it without the need to go through a third middle party. The gold card that Peter Schiff is holding is nothing but a kind of representation of the gold that he owns but never has access to because it is being kept and held by a third party company far away.
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November 18, 2019, 10:18:01 PM
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All Schiff wants is to sell you gold through his company and he's not even a good salesman. I saw his showing off his gold card that works as his portable wallet and saying that with it he can take his gold anywhere. He doesn't even understand that owning a card isn't like owning a bitcoin wallet. You still have to believe that some other people will believe this is gold and some other people will vouch for your card.

A card is not gold obviously. Peter Schiff does not want to admit that owning an asset does not have to go through middlemen or third parties. When someone owns Bitcoin, considered by many as the digital gold, he owns it and holds it and can even spend it without the need to go through a third middle party. The gold card that Peter Schiff is holding is nothing but a kind of representation of the gold that he owns but never has access to because it is being kept and held by a third party company far away.
This is so disappointing, he is supposed to be someone that is a supporter of gold and he is not even holding his gold himself and that kind of thinking is what allowed governments to create their fiat currencies, personally I do not care if someone prefers gold or silver over bitcoin but whatever is your preferred way to store your wealth you need to make sure that you are the only one holding your coins, otherwise when a crisis happens and you really need to get access to your coins you will be unable to do so.
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November 19, 2019, 01:58:49 AM
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All Schiff wants is to sell you gold through his company and he's not even a good salesman. I saw his showing off his gold card that works as his portable wallet and saying that with it he can take his gold anywhere. He doesn't even understand that owning a card isn't like owning a bitcoin wallet. You still have to believe that some other people will believe this is gold and some other people will vouch for your card.

A card is not gold obviously. Peter Schiff does not want to admit that owning an asset does not have to go through middlemen or third parties. When someone owns Bitcoin, considered by many as the digital gold, he owns it and holds it and can even spend it without the need to go through a third middle party. The gold card that Peter Schiff is holding is nothing but a kind of representation of the gold that he owns but never has access to because it is being kept and held by a third party company far away.
This is so disappointing, he is supposed to be someone that is a supporter of gold and he is not even holding his gold himself and that kind of thinking is what allowed governments to create their fiat currencies, personally I do not care if someone prefers gold or silver over bitcoin but whatever is your preferred way to store your wealth you need to make sure that you are the only one holding your coins, otherwise when a crisis happens and you really need to get access to your coins you will be unable to do so.

That is why I considered this Peter Schiff argument very flawed from the beginning. Peter is so proud of his gold and how it is believed to be of utmost value compared to Bitcoin. I don't want to disregard the fact that gold is really valuable, dating from the most early of ages until now and most probably up to the future but he cannot argue against Bitcoin that they can also gold and own it literally. Unless they own gold in the form of jewelries or gold coins or other forms of gold that is stored in their own house, their gold is owned by third parties in a sense because they are the ones holding them.
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November 19, 2019, 01:19:11 PM
Last edit: November 19, 2019, 02:45:53 PM by CarnagexD
 #105

All Schiff wants is to sell you gold through his company and he's not even a good salesman. I saw his showing off his gold card that works as his portable wallet and saying that with it he can take his gold anywhere. He doesn't even understand that owning a card isn't like owning a bitcoin wallet. You still have to believe that some other people will believe this is gold and some other people will vouch for your card.
Peter Schiff has a company, a gold and silver investment company. Maybe He's trying to convince people to buy from it by doing these unnecessary things, it bugs me out.  Gold and bitcoin has been the center of investment questions like what's the best deal they could have from buying these two. I just don't know why Peter Schiff acts dumb in public showing off his gold card as a "gold wallet", maybe he thinks it works on plain things, gold and silver, like bitcoin and other cryptocurrency.

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November 19, 2019, 01:35:12 PM
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All Schiff wants is to sell you gold through his company and he's not even a good salesman. I saw his showing off his gold card that works as his portable wallet and saying that with it he can take his gold anywhere. He doesn't even understand that owning a card isn't like owning a bitcoin wallet. You still have to believe that some other people will believe this is gold and some other people will vouch for your card.
Peter Schiff has a company, a gold and silver investment company. Maybe He's trying to convince people to buy from it.
It is obvious that he is just trying to manipulate and convince the people in the internet to freak out and sell their cryptocurrencies and just jump into his investment company. If you really know the cycle of the market then you already know that it is normal to see a market crash and the only thing that matters is how are you going to react to it, are you going to buy more or are you going to lose your mind and sell all of your holdings.

 
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November 19, 2019, 02:25:07 PM
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Again another suspicious Bitcoin expert and another conspiracy theory and theory about whales.
I think that some people are just trying to find their five minutes of glory and get attention for their own interests. I wouldn't take this prediction seriously and definetely wouldn't react with selling, that wouldn't be a good idea.

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November 19, 2019, 04:42:37 PM
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Every investor counts and holds its own role. The impact of those who buy or sell big amounts is indeed greater than those who play in points but still if a lot of small investors will sell out, it is going to leave same impression on market value of the coin as that done by a big whale. Moreover, it is not only whales or investors that are only factor. The market depends on government movements too

There is even a theory that there are no whales (only big holders who are not trading)

And thus there are no market manipulations either, so all price movements are only caused by changes in aggregate demand as well as supply. Personally, I'm not very much sold on this theory, but that's not my point here. The main problem with the current market is that even relatively small investors and traders can move the market on their own (i.e. not collectively). In this way, they are the new whales, with truly big whales hiding deep under the surface
Anyone that has large amount of money to move in and out of the market at the shortest possible time is to me termed as a whale whether they are individual or group of people, so whales actually do exist and they started too when the wall street entered the market, it was from there that the manipulation of this bitcoin started

It is only a theory, and I do not necessarily endorse it

Also, it is not every time like you said we see all forms of dip and rise of bitcoin as manipulation, some are definitely caused by the activities of people which sometime depend on the way they place demand and supply for these coins

And this is where things get tricky

It should be obvious that everyone in this market, in fact in any market for that matter, is pursuing their own interests, which consist in earning dough, as simple as it gets. Another obvious thing is that cryptocurrency markets are essentially a zero-sum game, i.e. there is only so much money, and if you win, someone else necessarily loses. And the bigger your win is going to be, the more people will have to lose to provide for that profit

In this way, if someone, someone whom we can rightfully call a whale, uses his financial leverage to his advantage, and does his job of earning money pretty well, which is only possible if it is someone else's money (since it is a zero-sum game), it means that many people have to lose their coins and cents. Can we then call that an instance of market manipulation as this is how all these people will inevitably feel (kind of robbed)?

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Peter Schiff ruthlessly shatters the dreams of Bitcoin holders who hope that the top coin will reach new highs, reiterating his point about market manipulations.

Peter Schiff, the CEO of Euro Pacific Capital, is not amused by Bitcoin's latest 40 percent price revival.

The world-famous gold proponent continues to insist that the crypto market is being manipulated by deep-pocketed whales.

In his latest tweet, Schiff states that large Bitcoin holders want to protect themselves from the upcoming market crash by selling their BTC and using delusional holders to cash in.  

After numerous pundits tried to wrap their heads around the recent market rally, Schiff took to Twitter to share his own take on Oct. 28. He believes that this Bitcoin turnaround had nothing to do with China and everything to do with whales "suckering in" gullible buyers.

Schiff rose to stardom by accurately foreseeing the financial market crisis in 2008, but Bitcoin price predictions might not be his thing.

As reported by U.Today, he claimed that the BTC price could plunge to as low as $2,000 on Oct. 20, less than a week before Bitcoin recorded its third biggest daily gain in history.

His $4,000 prediction, which was made right after Bitcoin's precipitous plunge to the $8,000 level, also never came to fruition.  

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Undeniably price manipulation often happens in unregulated crypto markets. Do you agree in this economist statement or do you oppose? Do you believe that recent price surge is cause by manipulation or natural demand?

They are whale because they are huge investors.  This is expected of any investor who wants to make huge profits.  They are not sympathetic, and they are not wicked.  There plan for investing is to make profit and nothing less.
The price is a characteristic of manipulation,  when it's natural, it will not really within a short period in time as the demand will be high.
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