@PrimeNumber7 is an alt account of @Quickseller

[Lauda]

OP is indeed a baboon. I might act however against PN7 at a later point in time, as there are more than adequate warning signs. Literally almost everyone that I've talked to or read their posts knows that it is true, there just isn't any evidence.

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Aside from some rather weak circumstantial evidence... is there actually any solid proof that PN7 is an alt of QS?

At this point it seems we just have conjecture, speculation and the classic "their styles are the same"-type "proof". Anything concrete I'm missing?

Is OJ Simpson innocent or guilty? What OP posted isn't proof of anything and whilst there's no truly concrete proof tying them together and certainly nothing that would stand up in court, it's just one of those things where there's just too many coincidences and similarities and the likelihood of them being the same is very strong. So much so that I'd bet money on it. It's very hard to mask certain things about yourself even if you're purposely trying to avoid detection but many similarities often show over time and there's a fair few here but probably nothing op knows about and is just making unbacked claims out of annoyance because he was exposed.

[DireWolfM14]

You mean, like, account farmers who create quality posts and actually contribute to the forum? I call that a win!

I agree that contributing and creating quality posts are a win when looked at from that perspective.  However, I think most account farmers who are capable of contributing and creating quality posts aren't doing so for the sake of such, but they have ulterior motives.  Maybe it's my cynicism, but the question of motives does arise.

I'm not accusing QS of fattening up PN7 for a sale or a scam.  I think he's just putting in the effort to create an account that will earn him some income in signature bounties, and as I said before, that doesn't concern me.  I'm a firm believer in giving people second chances and if my hunch is correct that's what I think QS is trying to accomplish with PN7.

Until it's sold to a shitposter, but they shouldn't last long in a signature campaign, which makes them waste a very expensive good account.

I'm not presuming to know what QS' motivations are, but I don't think his goal is to sell this account, or use it for anything other than signature campaigns.  I only think that because I believe that would be the smart thing to do.

However, as Suchmoon has insinuated, that's not the only cause for concern.  I think it would be quite damaging to the DT system if we allow a known account farmer/seller who's been involved in a self-escrow deal to be included in the DT system.  Forgiveness is noble, forgetfulness is foolish.

Currently there are two members who've included PN7 in their trust list, including one potential DT1 member (who, ironically has QS excluded.)

Trust list for: PrimeNumber7 (Trust: neutral) (436 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-01-11_Sat_18.59h)
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PrimeNumber7's judgement is Trusted by:
1. TECSHARE (Trust: +30 / =4 / -3) (DT1 (-4) 601 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. sandy-is-fine (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (80 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

[suchmoon]

I'm not accusing QS of fattening up PN7 for a sale or a scam.  I think he's just putting in the effort to create an account that will earn him some income in signature bounties, and as I said before, that doesn't concern me.  I'm a firm believer in giving people second chances and if my hunch is correct that's what I think QS is trying to accomplish with PN7.

I would find it problematic to give a second chance to an account farmer who is engaged in the same account-farming and other activities that got him into trouble to begin with. I'd think some level contrition and/or restitution should be a prerequisite here. Quickseller seems to think that his fall from grace was not his fault and he holds a massive grudge, going as far as making active attempts to cause damage to people whom he considers his "enemies". Not a second chance material.

[owlcatz]

I would find it problematic to give a second chance to an account farmer who is engaged in the same account-farming and other activities that got him into trouble to begin with. I'd think some level contrition and/or restitution should be a prerequisite here. Quickseller seems to think that his fall from grace was not his fault and he holds a massive grudge, going as far as making active attempts to cause damage to people whom he considers his "enemies". Not a second chance material.

I bought some cheap brass lealana coins from him once with no escrow way before he went scam, it was fine.... A year or two later, post-scam - He posted half my info/doxx for "insert whatever fucked up reason here". So, that was not fine.

So... Yeah, fuck that guy.

[hacker1001101001]

I think if someone has proofs of the connection he would open a thread about it with something solid. Bumping this thread is purely equal to stirring unnecessary drama.

[nutildah]

I think if someone has proofs of the connection he would open a thread about it with something solid. Bumping this thread is purely equal to stirring unnecessary drama.

You don't see any irony in your comment?

There is no concrete "proof" of the matter -- there is only varying degrees of evidence, most of which hasn't been posted. If you do the research yourself you might stumble upon it.

There's also no "proof" that gravity is real.

[Timelord2o67]

Whoever does ends up doing a text comparison should include all contributors to this thread, that would give a sufficiently random pool of contributors to compare with our two suspects...

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[The-One-Above-All]

I think if someone has proofs of the connection he would open a thread about it with something solid. Bumping this thread is purely equal to stirring unnecessary drama.

You don't see any irony in your comment?

There is no concrete "proof" of the matter -- there is only varying degrees of evidence, most of which hasn't been posted. If you do the research yourself you might stumble upon it.

There's also no "proof" that gravity is real.

I see no evidence at all this PN7 is QS. Also imagine people who DELIBERATELY replicate peoples style then start doing untrustworthy things to SCAM the bullshit writing style analysis. If something can RECOGNIZE a provable style match SOMETHING CAN REPLICATE a style match. Therefore that is NOT reliable and can be weaponized.


I don't think they appear the same person after comparing samples of both.

There can really be ZERO proof of alt. Like there can be ZERO proof of someone selling their account then the new person announcing it was not sold. This is anonymous forum for a reason. Can we give this kind of proof to your account selling??

I mean the evidence of you not being the original nutildah is VERY COMPELLING from a financial perspective.
But that is NOT PROOF.

Better we stick to the same standards for all members. QS is of is not an alt of PN7. You will need more than a possible style match for proof.

A vote for NOT the same person on the basis we will never know. I would rather not destroy and innocent account.

[hacker1001101001]

I think if someone has proofs of the connection he would open a thread about it with something solid. Bumping this thread is purely equal to stirring unnecessary drama.

You don't see any irony in your comment?

There is no concrete "proof" of the matter -- there is only varying degrees of evidence, most of which hasn't been posted. If you do the research yourself you might stumble upon it.

There's also no "proof" that gravity is real.

Better we stick to the same standards for all members. QS is of is not an alt of PN7. You will need more than a possible style match for proof.

If you have him on ignore, just quoting it for you. That's what I think probably.

[The-One-Above-All]

If you have him on ignore, just quoting it for you. That's what I think probably.

Let me let you in on a little secret: I don't give a shit what he thinks. That's why I have him on ignore. Whatever he thinks, assume I believe the opposite. His response is inflammatory nonsense. Don't care what he thinks. Don't care what you think.

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Yes, but that does not matter to the TRUTH concerning whether PN7 = QS. Everything we said is also true.

The fact you wish to assume the opposite is perfectly okay and in keeping with your usual MO.

If the source for determining a MATCH between posting styles is KNOWN it can be used to create MATCHES and therefore it can be weaponized to create FALSE matches.

If the source is NOT known then it is impossible to validate. So there is a certain issue with using it here.

Besides which I bet under deeper long term scrutiny it would be debunked as unreliable in the first place.

I see no solid evidence that PN7 is QS. We need to be very careful screaming things are true when there is no conclusive proof, like with your account sale.

[Joel_Jantsen]

Recently i heard about Stylometry, apparently it can be used to identify whether 2 people are in fact same person by collect and analyze writing of those 2 people.

According to Wikipedia (on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylometry#Data_and_methods), someone who learn about at mathematics, statistic or/and programming should able to prove whether OP statement is true or not. CMIIW/

This is the legendary thread where tracepilot used NLP and data processing to connect QS with Panthers52 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.0 Maybe someone should invite tracepilot to the discussion again? 

Regardless, I'm not really interested in drama especially given that OP has denied from that competition for whatever reasons and is just retaliating with baseless accusations.

[marlboroza]

Someone who has time to report users who congratulated child birth and especially someone who has time for investigation in other user reputation thread definitely couldn't miss this thread. Like they didn't see this thread and some other posts, right...

Silence is best proof you can get.

[suchmoon]

Silence is best proof you can get.

[owlcatz]

Recently i heard about Stylometry, apparently it can be used to identify whether 2 people are in fact same person by collect and analyze writing of those 2 people.

According to Wikipedia (on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylometry#Data_and_methods), someone who learn about at mathematics, statistic or/and programming should able to prove whether OP statement is true or not. CMIIW/

This is the legendary thread where tracepilot used NLP and data processing to connect QS with Panthers52 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.0 Maybe someone should invite tracepilot to the discussion again? 

Regardless, I'm not really interested in drama especially given that OP has denied from that competition for whatever reasons and is just retaliating with baseless accusations.

There's really no point at all in doing any stylometry here. It would just add drama and we all know QS loves reading these threads and laughing about how stupid we are etc etc... That's why he won't post here , under either ID.   

Besides, the referenced posts by primenumber7 all read exactly like QS posts. Suchmoon and I have been down this stupid road before.... He won't post here - he'd rather laugh at the drama ...

[hacker1001101001]

Besides, the referenced posts by primenumber7 all read exactly like QS posts. Suchmoon and I have been down this stupid road before.... He won't post here - he'd rather laugh at the drama ...

I agree, even if QS is PN7 he would be very sarcastic about the proofs discussed in this thread, even if he is not. He would be like " This is a Bitcoin forum you noobs, where is the connections between the accounts with Blockchain evidence ? They are even trying to find codes to compare the posting style, a big LOL"

Btw, I too would have a good time laughing at users wasting there time on getting links between both the accounts using "noob level connections" when the accused user has been around here from years and is expert in the same. That's not traces a experienced user would leave here anyways.

[Hhampuz]

On the off chance PN7 isn't an alt of QS - please respond to my pm's so that I can ship you your raffle win.

[tranthidung]

It was just a matter of time before the more intelligent account farmers figure out how to work within the merit system.

You mean, like, account farmers who create quality posts and actually contribute to the forum? I call that a win! Until it's sold to a shitposter, but they shouldn't last long in a signature campaign, which makes them waste a very expensive good account.

There is no chance for shitposters get acceptance from professional managers in good campaigns. You are right, even if one buy one good account, and get acceptance to join in one campaign. Maybe he will be kicked out after 1 or 2 weeks as a consequence of post-quality decrease. Professional managers will do easily to see such suspicious chances.

Another minus point is: Building a good account is a challenging so is it worth to sell it for $200 or $500. I don't think there are people want to do this. If I have a good Hero member account, I can earn $500 after 10 weeks so I will never destroy my account after spending 2 years to build it up.

[Lauda]

It was just a matter of time before the more intelligent account farmers figure out how to work within the merit system.

You mean, like, account farmers who create quality posts and actually contribute to the forum? I call that a win! Until it's sold to a shitposter, but they shouldn't last long in a signature campaign, which makes them waste a very expensive good account.

Liberalism has damaged your mind if you consider that as a win. It's all fine and dandy until someone gets scammed, but hey at least they didn't shitpost after they bought the account. Come on, re-adjust your risk-reward assessment.

Someone who has time to report users who congratulated child birth and especially someone who has time for investigation in other user reputation thread definitely couldn't miss this thread. Like they didn't see this thread and some other posts, right...
Silence is best proof you can get.

It's just a matter of time before I turn mine into a negative. Off-chance for a flag too now, but the likelihood increases with each passing, silent, day.

[LoyceV]

It was just a matter of time before the more intelligent account farmers figure out how to work within the merit system.

You mean, like, account farmers who create quality posts and actually contribute to the forum? I call that a win! Until it's sold to a shitposter, but they shouldn't last long in a signature campaign, which makes them waste a very expensive good account.

Liberalism has damaged your mind if you consider that as a win. It's all fine and dandy until someone gets scammed, but hey at least they didn't shitpost after they bought the account. Come on, re-adjust your risk-reward assessment.

You're right on the scam-part: A fool and his money are soon parted, and there are many fools in crypto.

If I look at Scam Accusations, most scams have nothing to do with account sales. That's why I mentioned spam as a possible consequense of account sales.
You could of course argue this is because account sales are heavily frowned upon, and instantly tagged, so cause and effect could very well be in the right order