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January 20, 2020, 07:57:49 AM
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I noticed that certain country may charge tax on earning from Bitcoin trading...

20% tax on it. I think this is quite ridiculous.

That means govt sees it as a lottery.

What do you guys think?
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January 20, 2020, 08:18:33 AM
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I don't think that's ridiculous. The government has set income tax according to how much is generated every month. If someone has income from bitcoin trading or other income, they will still pay income tax. What's wrong with paying taxes? We can enjoy the cleanliness of the city and the beauty of the park thanks to us paying taxes.

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January 20, 2020, 08:28:30 AM
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I noticed that certain country may charge tax on earning from Bitcoin trading...

20% tax on it. I think this is quite ridiculous.

That means govt sees it as a lottery.

What do you guys think?
That's fair and if there's a law about it then you must pay that income tax or else the government will run to you. Government needs money to run the whole country, taxation is a must but if there's a corruption then that is the time for us to say that our government is really unfair. I do pay taxes, and I'm happy because of that little money I was able to help my country grown and feed more people who are really in need. Don't think about the bad side of the government, think that your taxes are for the poor people who badly needs the support of the government.

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January 20, 2020, 08:31:32 AM
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I will support income tax if bitcoin is legalized in my country, provided that to finance the development of the country and society it doesn't matter to me, but if 20% of course I will feel heavy, if 1% I will give it to the benefit of everyone in my country, as long as there is no corrupt government and bitcoin is legalized as a payment tool, maybe I will support it if bitcoin users are charged for it
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January 20, 2020, 08:41:32 AM
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Care to share first where you read this 20% tax? There are different kinds of taxes but basing on the rate, I would assume that the profits from bitcoin trading are classified as capital gains which are subject to capital gains tax (rates vary per country). It's hard to comment on topics like this without getting more information. 
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January 20, 2020, 08:48:22 AM
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What’s pretty ridiculous is that the EU does not have at this stage a common ground on the approach. Whilst countries such as Portugal have currently got a great deal, and do not seem to be taxing crypto, and Germany is exempt if you hold your BTC for over a year, Spain is subject to a 19-23% taxation on it (for trade).

Slight differences between countries within the EU is perhaps understandable, but having discrepant considerations as to the nature of what crypto is effectively considered to be, and the discrepant criteria derived on its tax treatment, is just absurd.

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January 20, 2020, 08:52:58 AM
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Tax on Bitcoin depends on the country you live in but remember that the 20% is the standard tax bracket for any earnings below I think $25,000. If you have a job and then earn Bitcoin any side earnings could be taxed higher as this is implemented into some countries. If you go over a certain theshold which is usually tied to your household income which includes any other money you have made like fiat it could be taxed at 30, 40 or even 50% if you are earning hundreds of thousands every year.

For your question this is a fair policy because this is the amount that gets taxed on fiat income. Bitcoin is no different to other currencies. If you wanted to reduce the income tax on Bitcoin you would have to do the same for the others. Many of the population is looking to increase taxes on the rich and reduce the amount on poor and middle class people to close the gap further.

So many people are against tax but only a couple of them are legitimate concerns I think. One of the taxes I do not agree with is inheritance tax. When someone leaves money in their will to you all of this should probably go to you but depending on the country you live in you could be paying some hefty tax on that inheritance and the tax man will be laughing but otherwise I think tax is a good thing it usually contributes to your countries infrastructure and medicine. If you live in a third world country your tax is probably a lot lower but then the trade off is poorer living condition. It would be interesting whether this had any correlation between the two.

Slight differences between countries within the EU is perhaps understandable, but having discrepant considerations as to the nature of what crypto is effectively considered to be, and the discrepant criteria derived on its tax treatment, is just absurd.
Why do you think European countries are any different to American taxes compared to European? They are not one country and have individual laws and rules. The european countries are in a union and they decide common grounds but I don't think Bitcoin taxation should be in the discussion between countries. Germany looks the place to go if you have a large amount of Bitcoin though.

I don't think that's ridiculous. The government has set income tax according to how much is generated every month. If someone has income from bitcoin trading or other income, they will still pay income tax. What's wrong with paying taxes? We can enjoy the cleanliness of the city and the beauty of the park thanks to us paying taxes.
Taxes do get spent on the countries infrastructure but how much percentage actually goes in the back pockets of the politicians? Every country has probably had a scandal where a politician was caught spending tax money on personal items. There needs to be a decentralized or at least a transparent way of showing where tax money is being spent.

That's fair and if there's a law about it then you must pay that income tax or else the government will run to you. Government needs money to run the whole country, taxation is a must but if there's a corruption then that is the time for us to say that our government is really unfair. I do pay taxes, and I'm happy because of that little money I was able to help my country grown and feed more people who are really in need. Don't think about the bad side of the government, think that your taxes are for the poor people who badly needs the support of the government.
Does your government use your money to feed those without food? Usually the government spend tax money on fixing roads and giving money to charities. The charities are usually the ones that make soup days to the homeless or build new hospitals. In many countries you can get tax relief by donating directly to a charity and I think that might be the better option if you wanted to feed the poorer people of your country or improve the infrastructure because more of that money is probably going to get distributed without going in the pockets of politicians.
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January 20, 2020, 09:05:01 AM
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I noticed that certain country may charge tax on earning from Bitcoin trading...

20% tax on it. I think this is quite ridiculous.

That means govt sees it as a lottery.

What do you guys think?

Why should government consider your Bitcoin earnings to be any different than other earnings? Here in India, government don't see profits earned from crypto trading as lottery. Rather it is considered as capital gains which can be short-term or long-term depending upon the time period. In my opinion, this is perfect treatment. The rates are also equivalent to capital gains rates. I created a detailed thread on this which is currently pinned in Indian section. It can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206607.0
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January 20, 2020, 09:25:21 AM
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There are 3 elements here.
1. Bitcoin used as a currency for purchases.
2. Bitcoin as an non-interest earning savings mechanism
3. Speculation on the price of Bitcoin, and the receipt of interest on lans.

1. Should not be taxed, even if people make a bit of profit from it.
2. If you tax this, then you need to tax fiat as well.
3. These are trading profits, and should be taxed like any other profit source. You should be able to offset losses as well.

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January 20, 2020, 10:01:22 AM
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I noticed that certain country may charge tax on earning from Bitcoin trading...

20% tax on it. I think this is quite ridiculous.

That means govt sees it as a lottery.

What do you guys think?
This is ridiculous and I am wondering also if how they are going to do it, are they enforcing it via their local exchange? It will be best if you can provide some example also so we can also check whether their moves is illegal or not.

Tax is like 12% only in most of the government but most of the governments that adapt crypto currencies are not putting tax to the traders as they only ask for tax to their local exchange the same in our country.

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January 20, 2020, 11:06:19 AM
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if in my country there is no tax that must be paid when getting results from bitcoin trading.
I think whether it's fair or not depends on which country you live in right now.
what is clear is that the losses we get from trade are not subsidized by the government.
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January 20, 2020, 11:10:52 AM
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if in my country there is no tax that must be paid when getting results from bitcoin trading.
I think whether it's fair or not depends on which country you live in right now.
what is clear is that the losses we get from trade are not subsidized by the government.

True. Even in my country we need not declare any income earned in cryptocurrencies. Government doesn't recognize cryptocurrency as any material thing, hence, we don't have to pay taxes.
Other countries may have different laws related to taxing bitcoin and it may be fair if citizens of that country are earning substantial amount of money through bitcoins.

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January 20, 2020, 11:23:47 AM
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If you ask me I say the capital gains tax is designed a way to ensure no other instrument can compete with national fiat currencies. Government's know that there is nothing stopping citizens to choose other means of exchange besides fiat if left on their own. Any asset that is not controlled by the government and that shows properties of perfect money would expose the inflation tampering of fiat currencies. Hence governments tax capital gains on non-fiat exchange instruments.
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January 20, 2020, 11:30:03 AM
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It is difficult to calculate the bitcoin tax if people do not sell bitcoins as fiat currencies. Bitcoin is anonymous and decentralized so no one can know the owner of bitcoin to tax.
The government can only tax the bitcoin owner when he sells bitcoin and receives money back into the account, in my country the sale of bitcoin is taxed at 10% and I think it is a moderate tax.


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January 20, 2020, 11:54:10 AM
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I noticed that certain country may charge tax on earning from Bitcoin trading...

20% tax on it. I think this is quite ridiculous.

That means govt sees it as a lottery.

What do you guys think?
Taxation is one of the major source of revenue in many countries today. As far as a person earns money such person is obliged to pay his or her taxes. If a bitcoin trader earns profits from its trading activities, he or she is duty bound to pay taxes to the Government as this will aid in development of the society. Hence taxation of crypto related activities is highly supported by me.

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January 20, 2020, 12:06:54 PM
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If you make your money trading duck billed Platypus placentas that's taxable. Why on Earth should Bitcoin be any different?

This indignance turns up here so often I suspect there'll be some humongous tax bills arriving on many a doorstep because people thought they were 'special'.
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January 20, 2020, 12:17:08 PM
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I noticed that certain country may charge tax on earning from Bitcoin trading...

20% tax on it. I think this is quite ridiculous.

That means govt sees it as a lottery.

What do you guys think?

The government on everything charges tax. In my country, you have to pay tax on stock trading also. So it's fine if the government is charging tax on crypto. Government's real difference with bitcoin is that bitcoin anonymous nature doesn't allow government to trace and tax the transfer of funds.

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January 20, 2020, 12:32:38 PM
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It is fair I think.
Income tax depends on the implemented law in a certain country, if that is what states in their law, they need to abide and that is actually fair.
In our country, the income tax can increase up to 32%, if that country that you are talking charges tax on bitcoin only for 20%, that would be better compared in my country.



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January 20, 2020, 12:33:35 PM
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Our local exchange has applied the fee whether for withdrawal or trading, every transaction on the platform now has already included 10% tax I think every country has their own regulation regarding how much fee they collected from trading cryptocurrency. When your revenue is being taxed it means that you're helping your Government and the Country. Just hoping the money that they have collected is being used for the right thing, bring benefits to our community.
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January 20, 2020, 12:45:52 PM
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taxation in digital currency has now become a fairly complex phenomenon, especially if related to the calculation of profits in trade or from investments, taxation on bitcoin varies greatly, although now some countries use bitcoin as a currency, while some other countries consider it an asset or commodity .
so with different treatment in each country, so the bitcoin tax also has different rules in each country.

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