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January 20, 2020, 04:56:32 PM
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The first thread on this subject is kind of a dumpster fire so I thought I'd open a new one to present more compelling evidence. While I haven't found any blockchain evidence linking Quickseller to PrimeNumber7 (didn't look into it much TBH), they do share a number of linguistic similarities, most notably of which are quirks in their writing style, spelling habits, and usage of relatively uncommon phrases.

Here are a few examples of unique misspellings shared by both accounts:

- "passphraise"

Major HW wallet implementations allow for users to use a passphraise as the last word in their seed, and can potentially have multiple passphraises that create multiple seeds.

When you setup your trezors you will want to use an encryption passphraise in addition to the seed that is created (you may want to actually create two encryption passphraises on top of the same seed -- more on this later).

- "immidiately"

The losses exceed the trading volume of Clam during the flash crash, so it is probably safe to assume not all positions were sold immidiately. If no Clams were sold, and their value was written down to zero, as few as 21% of Clams outsanding could have been in open positions. I would believe that Poloniex sold the open Clams positions they were unable to sell in the open market, probably at a fairly large discount.

Further, the time frame that Hhampuz spent the money is not constant with what one would expect. Assuming the BestMixer operators have not been arrested, recovering ~$4,300 in advertising expenses is probably low on their list of priorities immidiately after the government shut down their business.  

- "boarder"

The chances of your electronic device being searched at the boarder is low.

I don't see anything about New Zealand in the link you posted, and the link is an article about the US boarder protection agents searching phones/laptops when they enter the US.

- "Rodger Ver"

Rodger Ver tweeted that since sanctions are an act of War, the US should immediately drop all sanctions against NK, as he sees war as universally evil.

Perhaps Rodger Ver will respond with his own arguments and any one can come to their own conclusions.  

- "monitory"

This sounds like a sure fire way to corrupt the merit sources and change merit from being a reward for making posts the forum needs more of to something with monitory value.  

Until this happens, it is most likely that deposits and withdrawals will not be processed due to the high risk of monitory loss.

Here's some uncommon words/phrases being used by both accounts, many of which are used by QS on more than one occasion:

- "underlying root cause"

The underlying root cause problem with college is the government is willing to subsidize the cost of college for all students, regardless of their ability to repay, or the value of the program they are taking, in nearly unlimited amounts.

This in large part can be attributed to the Default Trust changes implemented this past January, but the underlying root cause of the problem is a very small number of people leaving a very large number of controversial ratings.

- "sow discord"

The intent of the Russian interference was not even to benefit Trump, it was to sow discord within the US.

Ironically, the reported goals of the 2016 Russian meddling was to sow discord in US politics, which those on the Left are gladly furthering, probably to the point that their behavior is resulting in much greater discord than Russia could have even hoped for.

- "maximum benefit of the doubt"

I prefer to give maximum benefit of the doubt, but I cannot see any circumstances in which it would be a good idea to invest in this.

The above also gives the maximum benefit of the doubt to merit sources, that I don't think is necessarily appropriate to give all of them.

- Odd use of the word "transparently"

They are all transparently the same person today.

Suchmoon is transparently one of the people who is reporting plagiarized posts

It's true that just one of these examples on its own isn't really evidence or proof of anything, as it's quite possible other users engage in the same habits. However, the chances of 2 random users sharing all of these quirks and traits is exceedingly slim and can only mean that PN7 and QS are the same people. There are likely to be several more similarities that weren't pointed out above.

In addition to these examples, other similarities between QS and PN7 include:

- their political stance (both hard right Republicans)
- they tend to frequent the same sections (Meta, Reputation, Politics & Society)
- they both care a lot about signature campaigns
- they both are highly knowledgeable about the inner-workings of the forum, and
- they both mention or interact with theymos relatively often.

As a matter of fact, PN7's very first post was about theymos:

theymos accepting Grin is symbolic more than anything.

Grin doesn't appear to be accepted for ad auction payments, which leaves payments for Copper memberships and proxy bans (I am unsure if the later accepts payment via Grin).

There are less than 680 copper members wearing their copper membership title. The payments for these memberships could fit into one Bitcoin block, and the copper membership has been available for years.

What kind of a newbie mentions theymos and copper membership statistics in their first post??

He also really knows how to work merits out of people, which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing as it means he is contributing at least something to some people under that moniker. He seems quite pleased with himself, as he wanted to nominate himself as "Newbie of the Year" recently, and is really looking forward to becoming a Hero Member.

Short of attempting to escrow for himself again, I think this is enough evidence to reasonably ascertain that they are indeed the same person. If you're not a native English speaker (and an American one at that), then it may be more difficult to judge just how uncommon certain words, phrases and misspellings are, and equally how unlikely it is that they would all be shared by 2 random people.

Disclaimers: no need to bring up the obvious that this is not absolute, stone-cold proof of anything, as I know that already. You're of course allowed to come to your own conclusion, but please spare the "unjustly tried and convicted" mantra I can already feel coming. This is not a court of law and we are not judges; just observers on a forum.

Also, this is not all my own work, as some of this evidence was provided to me by various sources who wish to remain unaccredited for the time being.





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January 20, 2020, 05:11:31 PM
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Have a scroll back through some of my previous trust/feedback wall posts.  I've compared word use in the past and been slapped with "crazy ideas" labels.

Nice to see someone else using the same principal.

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January 20, 2020, 05:34:16 PM
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That quotation with word "transparently" is quite interesting:

Something is phishy about them because they all have nearly 25 - 29 Posts and activity !

Maybe an account farm has selling them or bought them !
They are all transparently the same person today. I can't think of any other reason why they would all have the same posting patterns, be posting in the same threads, and all be posting exclusively no effort posts.
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no evidence

Bullshit. If you want to prove something, you must present evidence.

[...]no evidence. [...] evidence.

[...] evidence [...] evidence [...] evidence.

According to PrimeNumber7, no evidence is evidence.

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January 20, 2020, 05:55:03 PM
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What kind of a newbie mentions theymos and copper membership statistics in their first post??

I neutral-tagged him as a "fake newbie" shortly thereafter, later revised to the more apt "likely alt of a scammer" as more evidence emerged.

There are some other peculiarities:

  • Quickseller and PrimeNumber7 are clearly interested and fluent in the same topics but never quoted or replied to each other.
  • Quickseller never sent merits to PrimeNumber7 and vice versa.

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Interesting spelling mistakes, I always thought QuickSeller was a native English speaker.

So, if you want to hide your alt: set your spelling checker to a different language (Australian English for instance).
And if you want to pretend to be someone else: add a few incorrect words from said person to your auto-replace list.

If you're not a native English speaker (and an American one at that), then it may be more difficult to judge just how uncommon certain words, phrases and misspellings are
A quick search on Google shows how frequent certain spellings are used.

  • Quickseller and PrimeNumber7 are clearly interested and fluent in the same topics but never quoted or replied to each other.
  • Quickseller never sent merits to PrimeNumber7 and vice versa.
If they're alts, at least they uphold some standards Smiley


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Forensic linguistics never fail.
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Forensic linguistics never fail.

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January 20, 2020, 07:45:47 PM
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Forensic linguistics never fail.

i dunno, the evidence seems really flimsy to me.

take the misspelling of "immidiately". there are are 766,000 google results for that misspelling. how is that conclusive of anything? why is it even included on this list?

"boarder" could easily be a typo written by anyone, particularly since it's a real word that won't be picked up by spell check.

"Rodger Ver"---i've written this typo myself and so have many others. it was even a notable hashtag for a time on twitter.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/RodgerVer?src=hash
https://twitter.com/VerRodger
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/69oxoa/rodger_ver_admits_unlimited_block_size_could/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7w259j/i_found_a_chink_in_rodger_vers_armour_what_are/

"monitory" suffers from the same problem as "boarder". this is an easy typo to make that won't be picked up by spell check.

"underlying root cause" is actually a common expression, probably because "underlying" is part of the definition of "root cause".
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22underlying+root+cause%22

"to sow discord" is also a common english expression:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22sow+discord%22

there are tens of thousands of examples of people on news sites, twitter, etc saying "maximum benefit of the doubt":
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=%22maximum+benefit+of+the+doubt%22

i also disagree with the characterization of PrimeNumber7/Quickseller's usage of the word "transparently" as "odd". i believe they both used the word correctly.

there is only one interesting word/phrase set on this list. "passphraise" is an uncommon misspelling, with only some hundreds of results showing up on google. however, two things of note here:
-"phraise" is apparently not so uncommon of a misspelling, with 28,600 results on google, so the possibility of a common typo is there. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=phraise
-quickseller also uses the correct spelling of "passphrase" at various times.

all in all, i think you guys are reaching really hard with this list. the hatred some of you have for Quickseller is causing the standards of evidence to be set really low.

the PrimeNumber7 account seems harmless. i too suspect he might be Quickseller but tbh, who gives a shit? what behavior has PrimeNumber7 engaged in that warrants this witch hunt behavior? maybe just leave the guy alone.....

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And here we go, an excuse for every misspelling.

That's pretty much the point, taken individually none of these quirks is a proof of anything. But how likely is it that two random users would have so many things in common.

Keep them pretzels coming though, I'm low on sodium.

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And here we go, an excuse for every misspelling.

SM, if the accused person was someone else, will you still have the same opinion? more importantly, if the accused person was someone you trust.

the hatred some of you have for Quickseller is causing the standards of evidence to be set really low.

The above is the perfect explanation of how things have actually become, if this topic contains a remotely close evidence of the accusation, then framing anyone would be fairly easy.

1-Go to www.google.com.

2-Use
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site:bitcointalk.org "insert a misspelling without quotes"

3-Spend some time to match spelling mistakes.

4-Accuse.



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PrimeNumber7 seems like a decent poster, he has more merit than activity which is not very usual, he seems to contribute a good amount to the forum,and if there is the slightest chance that he is not Quickseller - accusing him of being so "If he is not" is a severe injustice given Quickseller's terrible reputation.

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And here we go, an excuse for every misspelling.

SM, if the accused person was someone else, will you still have the same opinion? more importantly, if the accused person was someone you trust.

Not really possible for me to answer that honestly because there is no chance in hell I would have trusted someone like PrimeNumber7. I have excluded him very early on. But I can tell you this - I have no doubt it's the same person for a number of reasons, and the spelling similarities merely confirm my opinion, not create my opinion.

accusing him of being so is severe injustice given Quickseller's terrible reputation.

Nah, I think it fits perfectly. Do you honestly believe I'm retaliating because I'm secretly selling KYC accounts? Because that's what the non-Quickseller came up with. I expect more nonsense like that in the days to come. Quickseller's signature move.

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And here we go, an excuse for every misspelling.

i also showed the "uncommon phrases" and "odd uses of words" are actually common. half the linguistic "evidence" goes out the window off the bat, which suggests to me bad faith on the part of the OP.

That's pretty much the point, taken individually none of these quirks is a proof of anything. But how likely is it that two random users would have so many things in common.

so many things? over the course of 3 years, we have one example each of 4 common misspellings and 1 uncommon one. is that an accurate summary of this "forensic linguistics" analysis? (i put that term in quotes because this occurs to me as completely unscientific)

i bet if you parse through years of my posts, you'll find a few misspellings i've shared in common with probably a bunch of other forum accounts. i really don't find that conclusive at all.

to answer your question, "somewhat likely".

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SM, if the accused person was someone else, will you still have the same opinion? more importantly, if the accused person was someone you trust
for reference: suchmoon was the first user who tagged PN7 for suspecting him of being "a fake newbie".. Whereas the poor me was thinking that he might be theymos (just think of how hard I was chocked when he applied for his first sig campaign).

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Nah, I think it fits perfectly.

I have edited that, but you were way too fast  Grin.

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accusing him of being so "If he is not" is a severe injustice given Quickseller's terrible reputation

Don't you believe that it takes more than just "I think" to accuse someone of being an alt of what many think of as the "WORST" member of all time?

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Do you honestly believe I'm retaliating because I'm secretly selling KYC accounts? Because that's what the non-Quickseller came up with. I expect more nonsense like that in the days to come. Quickseller's signature move.

I am sure you are not selling KYC accounts ( I will be mad if you did and haven't sent me an offer  Grin ),I also know very well that you are not retaliating, I just want to make sure that your thoughts are not biased because of the lack of trust / personal preferences for the parties involved in the subject.

I have no problem with you accusing PrimeNumber7 for being Quickseller, the problem is taking the information in the OP to "merely confirm" your opinion, because these information are really meaningless at their best, I don't know how can you give them any value, maybe because of the low sodium ? get some salt  Kiss Kiss

for reference: suchmoon was the first user who tagged PN7 for suspecting him of being "a fake newbie".

"A fake newbie" and "Quickseller's alt" are completely different levels of accusations, I am willing to bet he was "a fake newbie", I am also not willing to bet 2 cents on him NOT being Quickseller, and despite the fact I may tend to believe the accusation is valid, I don't agree to the "low standards" many members use to "prove" something.


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over the course of 3 years

PrimeNumber7 registered in March 2019.

to answer your question, "somewhat likely".

How likely is "somewhat likely"? 1 in a million? 1 in a thousand? Bonus points if you can find another user who matches all findings in the OP and is not Quicksy's alt.

If anyone can do that I'll replace my neutral on PN7's account with a positive rating containing an apology. Posts created or edited after January 1 2020 don't count for obvious reasons.

I have no problem with you accusing PrimeNumber7 for being Quickseller, the problem is taking the information in the OP to "merely confirm" your opinion, because these information are really meaningless at their best, I don't know how can you give them any value, maybe because of the low sodium ? get some salt  Kiss Kiss

I'm not red-trusting or flagging the account. I do believe my neutral is fully justified though and I disagree that the OP info is meaningless.

On the other hand, if I'm so dumb that I could be so gravely mistaken then I don't deserve to be in DT anyway so if anyone thinks so feel free to exclude me. (this was edited down from a larger paragraph so it sounds a bit abrupt but that's pretty much the essence of my position on the matter so no need for too many words).

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January 20, 2020, 11:19:14 PM
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for reference: suchmoon was the first user who tagged PN7 for suspecting him of being "a fake newbie".. Whereas the poor me was thinking that he might be theymos (just think of how hard I was chocked when he applied for his first sig campaign).

Well no.

I updated my trust/feedback post a couple of weeks ago along with my other posts concerning Quickseller. My previous posts I deleted.

I also made a comment concerning PN7's posts resembling QS's a few weeks back. (Which is why I left neutral feedback )

See also: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg53506439#msg53506439

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January 20, 2020, 11:21:30 PM
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If anyone can do that I'll replace my neutral on PN7's account with a positive rating containing an apology. Posts created or edited after January 1 2020 don't count for obvious reasons.
Well, it needs to be a bit more encouraging than just that, probably 1 BTC will get the job done  Wink Wink.

It's of course highly unlikely to find the "exact" words, the proper challenge should be finding the same number of spelling mistakes between any two accounts.

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I'm not red-trusting or flagging the account. I do believe my neutral is fully justified

I do agree.

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It does, I blame the sodium.

I wouldn't exclude you (not that my exclusion matters anyway) for such a thing, you make a lot more valid accusations than not, even in this one, and after having dug in a little deeper, I am almost certain that your thoughts are valid, both accounts seem very similar, there is no denial in that, but non of what you, I or anyone else thinks is a good enough evidence IMO.


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Negative Feedback :  Mikeywith tried to murder Suchmoon
Reference: "get some salt"

If we don't start "fixing" the standards around here, pretty soon the above sarcasm will be normal around here.


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January 20, 2020, 11:37:46 PM
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Nice to see someone else using the same principal.
Don't know if you used that spelling of principal ironically, but it made me chuckle.  Anyway, I don't know if anyone was slamming you for trying to connect accounts via writing styles, but that method is unscientific at best.  Sometimes there are little word quirks that seem to give people away (like mdayonliner, for example) but you can't really prove anything--at least not like you could with blockchain evidence.

At this point I'm wondering why Quickseller would even start up a new account.  It's very hard to rank up from scratch, and I don't even think QS feels the need for an account with clean feedback.  I'm not saying Primenumber7 isn't his alt, but it does make me wonder what his motivation would be if it is his account.

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January 20, 2020, 11:41:05 PM
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Australian typo?

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January 21, 2020, 01:10:52 AM
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If anyone can do that I'll replace my neutral on PN7's account with a positive rating containing an apology. Posts created or edited after January 1 2020 don't count for obvious reasons.
Well, it needs to be a bit more encouraging than just that, probably 1 BTC will get the job done  Wink Wink.

I'll up the stakes eventually if there are no takers but it sounded to me that some people in this thread were very confident in this being a likely occurrence.

It's of course highly unlikely to find the "exact" words, the proper challenge should be finding the same number of spelling mistakes between any two accounts.

No, that's not quite the same. Two accounts that are horrible at spelling or misuse words wouldn't mean anything. Two accounts who misspell the same words the same way and use the same rare phrases is what makes this case so rare.

Edit: after re-reading this I'm thinking we're saying the same thing, so never mind.

I'm now genuinely curious how good we are at gauging probabilities of extremely rare coincidences. Our wealth literally depends on it, this being a somewhat-crypto-related forum.

It does, I blame the sodium.

Alright, I'm off to find a jar of pickles. I don't think that'll change my mind though.

I don't even think QS feels the need for an account with clean feedback.

Of course he does, for signature campaigns: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127540.msg50523936#msg50523936

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