Suggestion to make rank-up more difficult

[AimeHob]

To be very honest. What I have found is that most of the people here just merit users with higher rank and do not prefer users with lower ranks. I do not know why maybe because they thing that they can get something in return? And yes I also believes that merit of newbies are really hard no matter how good they post.

You got your first merit in your 3rd post on the forum, so it doesn't seem that it's really hard for newbies to get merit if they write decent posts.
There were bunch of merit giveaway threads aimed at the Newbies and Jr Member rank, but barely anyone was applying, to the point that they were locked in the end due low interest.

I will never ever apply in something like merit giveaways thread. I just believe myself that I can help the community and keep it spam free and can earn merit genuinely.

Yes. I got 1 merit on my 3rd post.

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[LoyceV]

To be very honest. What I have found is that most of the people here just merit users with higher rank and do not prefer users with lower ranks.

That's not what I've seen. But if you stumble upon new users who make good posts and haven't received Merit yet, please post them in Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. I'm still looking for a couple hundred good posts to finally empty my sMerit stash

[UserU]

That's not what I've seen. But if you stumble upon new users who make good posts and haven't received Merit yet, please post them in Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. I'm still looking for a couple hundred good posts to finally empty my sMerit stash

Based on my observations, it does happen

But hey, it's their rights to give whoever they please. And there are Merit giveaway threads from time to time so newbies still have a chance.

[AimeHob]

To be very honest. What I have found is that most of the people here just merit users with higher rank and do not prefer users with lower ranks.

That's not what I've seen. But if you stumble upon new users who make good posts and haven't received Merit yet, please post them in Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. I'm still looking for a couple hundred good posts to finally empty my sMerit stash

Bookmarked your link.

Well I will for sure but who will share mine if I had any?


Regards

[GazetaBitcoin]

You can share it by yourself. It isn't needed for someone else to observe your post, to see it is valuable and to post it there. This works too, but you are also allowed to post your own topics / posts.

[gentlemand]

In my opinion, the only real barrier is the time barrier.

Balls

Very few will become legendary from scratch. You'll have to be a properly valued member to achieve it. The numbers speak for themselves.

At present I think it's too easy to rank up from the very bottom, I'd like to see the middle rank requirements less demanding, legendary is about right.

I'd also like to see a clear demarcation between earned ranks from merit and those obtained from nothing but lengthy shitposting in the old days. Ideally I'd rather have all airdropped merit scores and legacy ranks executed but that doesn't seem to be a popular view.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I'd also like to see a clear demarcation between earned ranks from merit and those obtained from nothing but lengthy shitposting in the old days. Ideally I'd rather have all airdropped merit scores and legacy ranks executed but that doesn't seem to be a popular view.

You know, I had a thread on this matter as well - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210375.msg53369888#msg53369888

Theymos said though he is not decided about this idea at the moment.

[hd49728]

These current requirements are tough enough and they take ages for people to contribute, then will be recognized by the others, and consequently will get promoted after months or ages.

That is for good users, in contrast for bad ones, current requirements are truly barriers to stop them ranking up. If they can not get promoted with current requirements, they will definitely not be able to rank up with stricter ones.

For good users, why do we have to stop them to rank up? If there are stricter requirements on them, will they damage the original purposes of the merit system?

[doomistake]

- for ranking up to Jr. Member you need just 1 merit; for Member you need only 10. Indeed, it seems so hard for a Newbie to earn 1 merit  but it is not hard actually (explained below).

I smell too much bitterness here. Why not share or give 1 merit to a newbie member for him to rank up if he truly deserves it, they are just newbies, please go easy on them, don't expect that they will contribute a lot of knowledgeable things in the beginning, that is why they are called "newbie" or "amateur". Every professionals was once an amateur, remember that.

- many users help those who need a few more merits to rank up by giving them easily the respective merits. I think even if you are 1-10 merits away from the next rank, you should work for them as you did until that point.

It is what you called Generosity, since they are too close to their dreams (ranking up), those who can help will help them because of their good posts, that is why they earned merits, hoping you're getting what I am trying to say.

- legends are built in far more time, not just in 2 years.

I didn't know that legends should be define by merits.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Careful what you wish for mate. If theymos accept your challenge then it will really be the most challenging moment of your crypto life.

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The good thing is you already realize how hard it is and you want to prove that yourself that you can in spite of every criticisim you being received here. Good luck on ranking up dude. I'll be happy to check what will be your contributions in the coming future and I'll bump into this post of you later on and see how close you are already to becoming a full fledged Legendary rank.

Yesterday (Feb. 11th, 2020) I received my last merit needed for Senior rank, the 250th. It was given to me by philipma1957, at ~16:54:59. According to LoyceV's tool, my first merit was received on Friday, Oct. 25th, 2019, at 11:55:50AM.

Having this data, it appears that it took me 109d 4h 59' 09" in order to reach the threshold for Sr. Member rank. Or, in other words, I obtained this achievement with 56d 8h 45' 41" before the date when my activity would allow the effective promotion (which will be on April 8th, 2020, at 01:40AM, unless theymos changes the rules for my account).

Unfortunately, LoyceV's site isn't updated yet to see the precise moment when philipma sent me that merit, thus the calculation is approximate (however, the error is of a few minutes - most likely, below 2 minutes). I'll update the precise time amount once that Loyce updates the info on the site as well.

--Edit: as philipma gave me that merit on Feb 12th at 16:55:25 (this is what I see in my Merit section, although LoyceV said he sees 15:55:25), there is only a difference of 25" from my upper statement. Meaning it took me 109d 4h 59' 34" in order to reach the threshold for Sr. Member rank (and, respectively, I obtained this achievement with 56d 8h 45' 15" before the date when my activity would allow).

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Not all humans are equal!
Glad it worked out for you. Congrats again! Just enjoy, keep posting useful stuff and good luck on your road to 1k and beyond. If theymos doesn't start posting soon he will drop on second most merited ) You're on fire dawg!
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Enough showing off already. Accept it and go on as usual.
Fuck it, it's very easy to become a legendary user here! Use the opportunity then. Be all that you can be!

Just felt a bit too much like pure bragging and nothing more. Guess that got me flamed. I am a imature prick most of the times but that doesn't mean I don't have pertinent opinions from time to time (the frequency of that is debatable).
GL & HF

P.S. I have no shame! Just saw that you were not understanding the message and were too focused on the irony (as you are again). Just tried to rephrase, not apologise.
P.S. Looking forward to your next thread so I can become Member  

I hope that meanwhile you lost that sarcasm and you understood that if you act decent and bring some help around, you will earn your merits. I see your number grew from 6 to 13 since Jan 28th, when you graciously expressed your sarcasm here, which means you more than doubled your amount of merits in 2 weeks. Still sarcastic? Still thinking that becoming a Legendary is impossible?

[LoyceV]

Yesterday (Feb. 11th, 2020) I received my last merit needed for Senior rank, the 250th. It was given to me by philipma1957, at ~16:54:59.
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Unfortunately, LoyceV's site isn't updated yet to see the precise moment when philipma sent me that merit, thus the calculation is approximate

Wait... Are you saying you've never clicked "Merit:" in your profile? It tells you exactly when you received this Merit, you don't have to wait for the weekly data dump:

Code:

February 11, 2020, 03:55:25 PM: 1 from philipma1957 for Are there needed general (common sense) rules for signature campaigns?

(shown as Amsterdam time for me)

[GazetaBitcoin]

Lol... Now I feel stupid ))

Of course I did... Just that in the moment of writing the reply I had several other things in my head and I forgot c9mpletely about this. Well it feels very embarassing and also funny Now I'm laughing at myself.

However, thank you for pointing this, Loyce!

[Bossian]

Many will wonder after reading the title. Maybe many will blame this idea.

But, in my opinion, ranking up is way too easy now. Why I say that:

- for ranking up to Jr. Member you need just 1 merit; for Member you need only 10. Indeed, it seems so hard for a Newbie to earn 1 merit  but it is not hard actually (explained below).
- activity allows to become Legendary in 2 years or 2 years and a few weeks. Literally speaking, in real world, legends are built in far more time, not just in 2 years.
- many users help those who need a few more merits to rank up by giving them easily the respective merits. I think even if you are 1-10 merits away from the next rank, you should work for them as you did until that point.
- as far as I saw, merits are awarded too easy. Merit sources and members are more or less generous; besides, there are many merit giveaway threads.
- practically, all you need in order to rank up is to be a honorable person and to wait. Honorable person means the following: to not spam, to not scam, to not plagiarize and post what you think is helpful here. To act as a normal person.. And users will appreciate your work. They will give you merits if you post useful consideration and if you don't try to cheat the system. So [/b]merit barrier is not a real barrier at all[/b] if you act with good intentions.

In my opinion, the only real barrier is the time barrier. Because you have to wait for the activity points, but even this barrier has too low standards. Maybe Legendary rank should be possible in 5-10 years, not in 2. What legendary person in the history became a legend in 2 years?!

So I suggest to raise the merit standards because it is way too easy to earn them and also raise the needed activity for higher ranks.

On paper the merit system is fine I think, but in reality it is very biased and I will explain why.

From my own experience I noticed it is much easier to receive merits if you write bullish predictions. I would advise to post in the Speculation section and make bullish predictions everyday, this way you will rank up very quickly.

I myself received 46 merits so far and most of them were after I predicted a bull run, or believe it or not but I also received a merit for simply writing: "Hello, I bought 0.37 BTC today, fingers crossed" (there was nothing else in my post).  
Then we entered a bear market and I thought it was necessary to alert people on it, I posted charts with arguments and facts, barely got any merit for that and all my targets (bullish and bearish) came true eventually.


Bottom line: very biased system but there is nothing to do about it, human nature I guess. It's just like Youtube, make a video with insane bullish prediction and it will get more views than a rational bearish prediction. Merits here are just the same.



PS: I absolutely don't care about merits, I didn't sign up here for that, the above is a totally objective point of view. Hey it's not even a point of view but a plain fact.

[mole0815]

PS: I absolutely don't care about merits, I didn't sign up here for that

but you have even written an instruction guide with helpful tips. so the topic is probably not completely uninteresting for you
i don't think the system is bad at the moment and much better than in the beginning. in the meantime it is part of everyday life here.

[shield132]

I don't think it's that easy to reach legendary as you are framing it, I think you have that view because you got most of your merits from the Bitcointalk Art Compition and it not that easy to earn 1000 merit's anyways. I am sure many would agree.

Although adding a new rank after legendary could be an better option IMO.

Oh no, number of current ranks is absolutely the best, at least to my mind.
Higher the rank, higher the signature space, maybe if we shorten the sig space (I mean number of words in sig) for hero members and make it similar of sr, sr - similar of hero and newbie without capability of using sig and then adding another rank higher then legendary may worth but still I think current ranking system is good.

Personally I think merits are easily given on some local boards, this may be support from nation or just really quality post but idk, I can't determine it.

What would anyone add beside current merit system? Merit report? I guess it will be a huge headache whether user's post deserves 15 merit or 10 merit and etc, there isn't any merit measure tool. But maybe there should be limit on merit and be like this:
1-2 merit - helpful post
3-4 merit - post is good and really beneficial
5-6 merit - great post, this user changed my life

Guys what's your opinion about this?

[Kuffy]

As Jet Cash, I've given a few new members merits for their very first posts. I thought they were great starts for the members in the forum.

[mole0815]

Guys what's your opinion about this?

this cannot be implemented and is therefore not really possible, sorry.
also, everyone rates answers differently and there are no parameters to fix it on.
often a matching link can be more helpful than a post with 1000 words.
but it's also possible that a FAQ solves so many problems and X hours of work means that even 50 merit would be appropriate.
the quantity/amount is in the discretion of the distributor and you really don't have to dictate everything... there are all mature people here.

@kuffy
there's even a separate ranking for it
[TOP-200] Members who support newbies - Thanks!

[Rikafip]

What would anyone add beside current merit system? Merit report? I guess it will be a huge headache whether user's post deserves 15 merit or 10 merit and etc, there isn't any merit measure tool. But maybe there should be limit on merit and be like this:
1-2 merit - helpful post
3-4 merit - post is good and really beneficial
5-6 merit - great post, this user changed my life

Guys what's your opinion about this?

Imho, not a good idea. This could only cause more complaints and more drama, people reporting each other etc. Better to leave it like it is now, where everyone can give merit based on his own personal opinion, instead imposing more rules and restrictions.
Also, bare in mind that merit sources don't get same merit allocation , so amount of merit they get varies a lot (from what i understood, some get 60 each month and some get  for example 600 and more), and consequently  amount of merit they give to others for each merited post.

[DdmrDdmr]

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1-2 merit - helpful post
3-4 merit - post is good and really beneficial
5-6 merit - great post, this user changed my life
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On a personal scale, you can set those to be your standards. I currently go in ones and twos, with the occasional three, exceptional four and mythical one time fiver. Obviously every one has a different criteria, sMerit budget, and time (sometimes a pretty important matter) to award merit, so reaching a taxative consensus on a subjective matter is not really feasible.

[LoyceV]

but you have even written an instruction guide with helpful tips

That lookslike sarcasm to me, making fun of how biased Merit sending can be.

1-2 merit - helpful post
3-4 merit - post is good and really beneficial
5-6 merit - great post, this user changed my life

1-2 merit: I only have <20 source sMerit left and the post is not that bad
3-4 merit: I'm loaded in source sMerit and the post is not that bad
6-8+ merit: good post, and I'm still trying to get rid of my load of source sMerit.