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February 07, 2020, 04:55:15 PM
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Reporting a newbie account user jenniferletty which account was registered on November 10, 2017 which seems to be selling fake hyip scripts and the username seems to back posting the same offer after been inactivity for months.

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February 07, 2020, 07:49:07 PM
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First, you accused me of abusing the forum. Then, you said that only bounty hunters read this forum. Well, it wasn't me who abused the forum, then. I respect the rules and I don't post anything to make-a-living. I explicitly said it. Stop manipulation, please.

Nice to gear that, also nice to hear that you're here to share articles full of information with the community.
Then I have the perfect solution that could keep you out of trouble, accusations and you would still be a precious asset for this forum. /s

So, how about next time you create a topic you:
a) write down the entire text so that users won't have to go to another site to read all the stuff
b) to get credit for the article and also to avoid plagiarism accusations you wend your post with
"Article first posted of Forlklog Media" < no clickable hyperlink

Somehow I am 100% sure you won't take this offer, so you should really come up with one hell of an excuse for not doing so  Wink
But we all know the truth, don't we?

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February 07, 2020, 08:12:25 PM
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So, how about next time you create a topic you:

Better yet, don't create new topics, just post new stuff in one thread. I'm sure the community will see and appreciate those great informational articles even if they're not in separate threads, just don't violate the bumping rules.
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February 07, 2020, 08:57:42 PM
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First, you accused me of abusing the forum. Then, you said that only bounty hunters read this forum. Well, it wasn't me who abused the forum, then. I respect the rules and I don't post anything to make-a-living. I explicitly said it. Stop manipulation, please.

Nice to gear that, also nice to hear that you're here to share articles full of information with the community.
Then I have the perfect solution that could keep you out of trouble, accusations and you would still be a precious asset for this forum. /s

So, how about next time you create a topic you:
a) write down the entire text so that users won't have to go to another site to read all the stuff
b) to get credit for the article and also to avoid plagiarism accusations you wend your post with
"Article first posted of Forlklog Media" < no clickable hyperlink

Somehow I am 100% sure you won't take this offer, so you should really come up with one hell of an excuse for not doing so  Wink
But we all know the truth, don't we?
So, how about next time you create a topic you:

Better yet, don't create new topics, just post new stuff in one thread. I'm sure the community will see and appreciate those great informational articles even if they're not in separate threads, just don't violate the bumping rules.
Thanks for trying to find a solution. I also would like to make sure that the community benefits from content on Bitcointalk!

I don't agree with the recent spam accusations. But I believe that neither o_e_l_e_o nor 20kevin20 is interested in finding a solution. They believe that exclusive content that helps users understand what's with crypto and why it's important is nothing but "irrelevant or unsolicited messages sent for the purposes of advertising". I respect their right to dislike the content. And I really think that they do a good job for this forum by reporting spammers.

My case is just different and sometimes it's good to make all points clear before accusing anyone. My motivation is to make sure that the community receives important content. If the users are interested in the content they will visit the website.

I was thinking about a solution and I also came up with an idea of posting articles in one thread. The problem is that the articles are long enough to post. It isn't news but analysis, research, and opinions. What would you recommend in this case?

forklog.media — What's up with crypto and why it's important
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February 07, 2020, 09:08:24 PM
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I was thinking about a solution and I also came up with an idea of posting articles in one thread. The problem is that the articles are long enough to post. It isn't news but analysis, research, and opinions. What would you recommend in this case?

This isn't a site for articles, it's a site for discussions. Post something that is worth discussing and participate in those discussions yourself. Don't turn this is into drive-by copy-pasta.
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Last edit: February 07, 2020, 10:56:03 PM by marlboroza
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I was thinking about a solution and I also came up with an idea of posting articles in one thread. The problem is that the articles are long enough to post. It isn't news but analysis, research, and opinions. What would you recommend in this case?
Link your site in signature (click profile->profile forum information, you'll find it)
Create topic in altcoin discussion about your blog and link it in topic
For every new article, describe what is your new article about, don't just copy/paste it and whoever wants to read it will go to your blog.
Discuss everything in other forum parts but don't c/p your articles - I am sure other users will notice your signature (for example, this thread and your posts made me to peek in your site and I have found investigation article which I will read tomorrow, it looks interesting)
Read forum rules https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 , if you find something confusing - just ask in that thread, moderators will respond.

@OP hm, I was thinking about something, isn't this something what shitcoinoffering was doing?
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February 07, 2020, 10:03:55 PM
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Edit:
By the way,
Hi! I'm kinda related to this online magazine. Our goal is to explain what's up with crypto and why it's important. I share our posts here on Bitcointalk because I believe that the community may benefit from these features.
I'm still wondering how you're not benefiting from sharing only Forklog posts when in your own post you mentioned the collective pronoun "our". This makes me conclude that it's not about just you finding the articles, it makes me conclude there's definitely more than that to it. The fact that you've ignored our question until I said it and your response was "I ain't gonna elaborate more in this situation" just proves our point again. I'll put the quote above right next to the quote below and voila! You've just basically busted yourself. By "our", you've basically admitted you're part of Forklog one way or another.

I share exclusive content that explains what's up with crypto and why it's important. The articles provide analytics, opinions, and comprehensive research on an important matter.
"Our goal".. "I share exclusive content".. These two "kinda" link, don't they?
I've already said that I'm related to this online magazine. And I used the word "our" since there are obviously more people who are related to the magazine. Sorry, but what are you trying to prove here?

I was thinking about a solution and I also came up with an idea of posting articles in one thread. The problem is that the articles are long enough to post. It isn't news but analysis, research, and opinions. What would you recommend in this case?
Link your site in signature (click profile->profile forum information, you'll find it)
Create topic in altcoin discussion about your blog and link it in topic
For every new article, describe what is your new article about, don't just copy/paste it and whoever wants to read it will go to your blog.
Discuss everything in other forum parts but don't c/p your articles - I am sure other users will notice your signature (for example, this thread and your posts made me to peek in your site and I have found investigation article which I will read tomorrow, it looks interesting)
Read forum rules https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 , if you find something confusing - just ask in that thread, moderators will respond.

Hm, I was thinking about something, isn't this something what shitcoinoffering was doing?
You're saying that shitcoinoffering does it in the right way, am I correct?

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February 07, 2020, 10:52:30 PM
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You're saying that shitcoinoffering does it in the right way, am I correct?
No, not really.

I was saying that shitcoinoffering is also copy/pasting their own articles and posting links to site under it. It doesn't mean I don't like their articles (I like their articles), it is just something about forum rules.

I edited my last post if this confused you.
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February 08, 2020, 04:15:55 AM
Last edit: February 08, 2020, 08:26:59 AM by TravelMug
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Its looks like I have found another one: mamamu111.

Old account, registered on 2017. But his first post says it all,

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He/she basically shills for this blog:

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February 08, 2020, 10:14:26 AM
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Thanks for trying to find a solution.
The solution here is to use the forum like a normal user. Sharing the occasional article you wish to discuss, and contributing to the discussion, is totally fine. Throwing out a link to get people to visit your website and then abandoning the thread to spammers is not.

But I believe that neither o_e_l_e_o nor 20kevin20 is interested in finding a solution.
I had hoped that having multiple threads deleted would have been enough to alert you to the fact that you were breaking the rules. Since it obviously wasn't, I started this thread to ask for the moderators to step in with a temporary ban (which is usually 7-14 days) in the first instance. I think that is entirely fair.

I don't agree with the recent spam accusations.
That's fine if you don't agree, but plenty of other users do as you can see from this thread, the mods do as you can see from your deleted topics, and other users have been temporarily or even permanently banned for this exact kind of behavior.

They believe that exclusive content that helps users understand what's with crypto and why it's important is nothing but "irrelevant or unsolicited messages sent for the purposes of advertising".
It doesn't really matter how exclusive or otherwise the content is. The issue here is the method of delivery.
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February 08, 2020, 04:15:32 PM
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I just notice one more account which is relatively new but has the same pattern of posting : user angle_crypto / archived post history

The solution here is to use the forum like a normal user. Sharing the occasional article you wish to discuss, and contributing to the discussion, is totally fine. Throwing out a link to get people to visit your website and then abandoning the thread to spammers is not.

I have already written in a previous post that users have many other options to promote something on this forum, but this clearly does not interest those who want to make their own rules. Maybe it's time for some new rule that would be even clearer with regard to this kind of thing, although most who do this kind of thing don't read the forum rules. Still, it might help the mods to give a quick temp ban in these cases, followed by a perma ban in the case of repetition.

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February 11, 2020, 10:28:48 AM
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Another one pops-up in the Bitcoin Discussion, user Xangle. Obviously shilling for
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February 11, 2020, 02:01:13 PM
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Check out this member profile: star7dust
The last topics started by this person: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=2713736;sa=showPosts
Archive: http://archive.is/Q8gnZ

Probably doesn't belong in the 'advertising shills' category but each of his topics contains only a link to an article, followed by "What do you think?" or similar one-liner shitpost.

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Member: market pearl

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This is relatively new account as well, registered December 31 but just shill for his blog from all his post.

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Member: Denial11

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All of his posts are pointing to an article on that website.

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February 16, 2020, 12:32:03 AM
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Recently I've noticed that almost like every single new thread, at least on the Bitcoin Discussion board, begins with a copy-pasted article description + a link right under it.

I've started placing most of these users beginning such threads (at least those who've mostly done this in their history) on my ignore list because I don't think it's a good behavior on this forum at all.

It gets really annoying honestly, the Bitcoin Discussion board is pretty much turning into a list of articles with comments being the replies to the threads. I wouldn't have had a single problem with these threads if the OPs had written using their own words a brief explanation of what the article says vs their opinion and then place a little link for the source.

But they're literally just copy-pasting and using the link at the end so it wouldn't count as plagiarism.

I haven't seen someone from the staff/mods mention anything yet about any action taken against these users. In fact, I have created two (1, 2) threads reporting large rings of alts used in promoting either scams or referral links and the accounts are still active 10 days after the first report.

If there's no action to be taken against these accounts, we should at least be noticed because otherwise it's gonna be just us losing our time on things we can't change anyway..
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February 16, 2020, 09:09:20 AM
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I've started placing most of these users beginning such threads (at least those who've mostly done this in their history) on my ignore list because I don't think it's a good behavior on this forum at all.
I would encourage you instead to report these posts. I do whenever I see them, and they are usually trashed fairly quickly. Similarly, if a user gets lots of their posts like this deleted, then it builds a case for a ban as well.

It gets really annoying honestly, the Bitcoin Discussion board is pretty much turning into a list of articles with comments being the replies to the threads. I wouldn't have had a single problem with these threads if the OPs had written using their own words a brief explanation of what the article says vs their opinion and then place a little link for the source.

But they're literally just copy-pasting and using the link at the end so it wouldn't count as plagiarism.
Couldn't agree more. I have no problems with people sharing interesting articles or news stories (in fact, in the last topic I created I did exactly that), provided they are not just doing so to attract traffic to a site they own or are being paid by, or to pad their post count or fish for merit without a single original thought or comment of their own. This kind of copying and pasting and including a link a bottom is just legalized plagiarism, and I don't think it should be tolerated.

I haven't seen someone from the staff/mods mention anything yet about any action taken against these users.
Although no moderator has chimed in here unfortunately, all 4 of the accounts in my initial post haven't started any new threads in the last few days. I suspect they may all have been temp banned, but it is impossible to tell for sure.
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February 16, 2020, 09:56:02 AM
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I get your point, I don't have a problem with those starting threads with important articles either but it already became a trend out of it to create copy-pasted threads.

Can't recall how many times I've seen "Craig Wright" and "Justin Sun" on the same page as if they mean & provide any value to our community.

I wish there was a history page for those who got temp/perma-banned. At least we'd know if actions are taken against them.
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February 16, 2020, 01:42:03 PM
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I can say without any hesitation that the problems we are talking about here are pretty low on the priority ladder when it comes to breaking forum rules. We can only speculate why this is so, but it is an indisputable fact that if there are no appropriate penalties there will be no appropriate response from the users.

Temporary ban makes some sense if the user to whom it applies has something relevant in posting history except one line posts with links, and it makes no sense in the case of someone who has a clear intention to only post for promotion. After the temp ban, they will return and continue as if nothing had happened.

It is my opinion that such behavior should be placed in the same category as plagiarism, of course, if the intent is determined, which in some cases is quite clear.

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February 16, 2020, 01:59:00 PM
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I wish there was a history page for those who got temp/perma-banned.
Perma-bans shows up in Modlog, and are therefore also scraped by both https://bpip.org/ and http://loyce.club/, so you have ready access to a historical record of banned accounts. Temporary bans don't, though, and it can only be known for sure if one has been issued and how long for if a moderator confirms it.

I can say without any hesitation that the problems we are talking about here are pretty low on the priority ladder when it comes to breaking forum rules.
Just because there are more heinous crimes out there like plagiarism or distributing malware doesn't mean we should ignore these users. General bounty spamming is also fairly low on the priority ladder, but the vast majority of my reports for this reason are acted on within 24 hours. I also wish we could start handing out temporary bans to users who are racking up dozens of trashed posts each week.
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