[POLL] China Virus Source

[eddie13]

What do you think?




Corona memes also accepted..

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[TECSHARE]

That original or a repost?

[squatz1]

If I was a betting man, I'd bet big on the bat thing.

Highly doubt it's some CRAZY conspiracy from the rich to kill all of the poor....

[eddie13]

If I was a betting man, I'd bet big on the bat thing.

Highly doubt it's some CRAZY conspiracy from the rich to kill all of the poor....

I doubt that too but I'm leaning more towards it was a leak from that lab..


#Pangolin was identified as a potential intermediate host of the novel #coronavirus: South China Agricultural University announced early Friday morning
https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1225608250487267328

Some sort of scaled anteater thing.. Adding to poll..

[tvbcof]

I cannot vote because none of your options match.  I would say:

 "
Lab created:  ('lab' or 'natural')
  - reason for creation unknown (vaccine research, bio-warfare, both.)
  - lab unknown (many state and non-state actors, or teams consisting of both, can and do create these things.)
  - release method unknown (accidental or deliberate.)
"

I was pretty suspicious of the 'bat eaters' explanation for a few reasons.  It's unlikely to happen that way in nature, and it was promoted in such a way that indicated someone was desperate for an explanation which was anything but 'lab created'.  It was presented as fact without any analysis which could have provided scientifically valid substance to the assertion.  Since it is common knowledge that lots of parties are screwing around with recombination genetics on these things, the likelihood of it being lab created is simply much greater than the alternate hypothesis.

Subsequent sequencing data has added to the already high probability of it being lab created as I see it.  On top of that, the censorship and deception employed in mainstream-land fits best a scenario where certain people are VERY interested in having the 'chi-com bat eaters' explanation being the only one which most people are aware of.  The extreme interest in this makes the most sense in a situation where 'truth' is not on the 'right side' else straightforward and open science would tend to be favored over secrecy and censorship.

[TECSHARE]

It does provide a pretty convenient excuse for China's failing economy, and also lets them point fingers that the US is trying to use bio-weapons against them, as well as gives them the ability to declare martial law, quarantine everyone, and lock everything down preventing dissent.

[Naida_BR]

Corona virus started naturally from the unhealthy eating habits of the Chinese people.
Bats and rats are dirty animals that are leaving in places full of diseases and malicious creatures.

[Kuffy]

Well it won't be from eating cooked food, as cooking will kill the virus.

It could be that man encouraged the mutation. Only about 30% of the medication used in previous coronavirus treatments was used by the human body. The rest was passed through into the environment,and may have been picked up by bats or other mammals, and this allowed the virus to mutate, The only effective defence against these pandemics is a strong natural immune system, but there is constant pressure to reduce or disable it with smoking, drugs, vaccination, chemotherapy and other processes designed to enrich the bankers.

[mindrust]

I know that it is not natural but I can't be sure of the attacker.

Could be any of those countries you listed above or maybe China just blew itself up because they weren't capable enough to develop&handle bio-weapons. Or maybe there was a US spy who fcked things up there.

Could be everything but natural.

People have been eating weird shit in Asia for centuries. This wasn't a natural incident.

[tvbcof]

There are many valid reasons to create custom viruses which are NOT 'biowarfare'.  Pure science just to understand things better is one, but the main one is probably vaccine research.  The key is to come up with one which creates an immune response as though it were the 'real thing' but is not as dangerous as the disease one is trying to combat.  At least that is the idea.

OP is doing a dis-service to logic by having only two choices 'natural' or 'biowarfare'.

Most people don't know that state of the science on the bio-engineering front, and most people are completely conditioned to reflexively reject any notion that bio-warfare could possible be a factor in anything real.  Propagandists will use techniques like giving people only two choices knowing that one of them is impossible for most people to make (thus ensuring that people will side with a particular option.)  I doubt that the OP is deliberately doing this, but the end result is the same.

OTOH, this is just a silly poll on an obscure forum which doesn't matter much either.  But it is illustrative of one of the many propaganda techniques in common use.

[Kuffy]

Given that it seems that most of the world will be exposed to infection as some stage in the not too distant future, it would be great if we could have some information on how to overcome the infection. Face masks might be good protection against secondary infections, but they are pretty useless against coronavirus in my opinion. It seems that smoking helps the virus to bond, but this doesn't seem to be reported anywhere. The closest you can get is the fact that more men than women in China contract complications. 41% of Chinese males smoke, and only around 1.5% of women do so. This could be an explanation, but nobody seems to have tried to correlate it. The tobacco industry is huge, so no doubt any info will be suppressed anyway,

[eddie13]

OP is doing a dis-service to logic by having only two choices 'natural' or 'biowarfare'.

I doubt that the OP is deliberately doing this, but the end result is the same.

You are right!

I will add it to the poll as "Accidental Manmade Research Virus Leak - Unintentional Bioweapon"...
Though I expected you to hit as Israel/Mossad..

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[tvbcof]

OP is doing a dis-service to logic by having only two choices 'natural' or 'biowarfare'.

I doubt that the OP is deliberately doing this, but the end result is the same.

You are right!

I will add it to the poll as "Accidental Manmade Research Virus Leak - Unintentional Bioweapon"...
Though I expected you to hit as Israel/Mossad..

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I voted for the new entry out of deference to your flexibility.  In fact, that's a mis-vote also.  The only thing I could in good conscious vote 'for' (meaning I consider the probability above around 95%) would be simply 'lab created'.  There is simply not enough data at this point for me to go any farther than that.

I would have some trouble with your choices because I consider:

 - China,
 - USA,
 - Rogue CIA - Deepstate,
 - Israel,
 - Rogue Mossad - Deepstate,
 - Saudi Arabia,
 - Bioweapon - Attack By Bill Gates - Agenda 21

to all be either flip sides of the same coin, or working in coordination on 'important projects'.  Most to all of these entities are animated by the same basic integrated monetary system.  As usual, hindsight by looking at who's goal are achieved will be a big puzzle piece when it falls into place.

Most people will 'look forward not back' however.  And will consequently be tripping on the same basic ditch for all of their (often shortened) life.

[Negotiation]

I think the coronavirus is caused by an unhealthy environment This is usually natural. If it is in a dirty environment touch the wild animals where they spit cuffs and then spread the coronavirus without playing well when eating food. It usually occurs directly in the lungs of a human.

[fratoshi]

I voted Natural unknown.

[Cnut237]

I went with bats.

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I mean in the poll, not any other context.

I'm covering what we all know, but... the Lancet is pretty reputable, and their article the other week is quite persuasive. It's summarised here, too. A small sample of gene sequences from 9 patients in China were 99.98% identical... so very little mutation of the virus since it moved to humans, which suggests it moved to humans only extremely recently. "This finding suggests that 2019-nCoV originated from one source within a very short period and was detected relatively rapidly."
The one source, as widely reported... Huanan seafood market seems to be the common location. It does say that bats weren't sold there - but obviously no-one can verify that. Perhaps they were selling bats under the counter? Hanging from the counter. Small font because it's a bad joke. Sorry.

But if they in fact didn't sell any bats, then bat>pangolin>human does seem a likely path... they found 99% similarity between the virus in humans and that in pangolins, so... I am tempted by pangolins (in the poll). I know pangolins are trafficked for wacky 'alternative medicine', but I wasn't aware that people eat them, too.

Also I think SARs went bats>civets>humans, which does provide at least some evidence that people tend to get bat diseases via an intermediary species, so perhaps there is an aversion to eating bats directly.

[af_newbie]

I went with bats.

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I mean in the poll, not any other context.

I'm covering what we all know, but... the Lancet is pretty reputable, and their article the other week is quite persuasive. It's summarised here, too. A small sample of gene sequences from 9 patients in China were 99.98% identical... so very little mutation of the virus since it moved to humans, which suggests it moved to humans only extremely recently. "This finding suggests that 2019-nCoV originated from one source within a very short period and was detected relatively rapidly."
The one source, as widely reported... Huanan seafood market seems to be the common location. It does say that bats weren't sold there - but obviously no-one can verify that. Perhaps they were selling bats under the counter? Hanging from the counter. Small font because it's a bad joke. Sorry.

But if they in fact didn't sell any bats, then bat>pangolin>human does seem a likely path... they found 99% similarity between the virus in humans and that in pangolins, so... I am tempted by pangolins (in the poll). I know pangolins are trafficked for wacky 'alternative medicine', but I wasn't aware that people eat them, too.

Also I think SARs went bats>civets>humans, which does provide at least some evidence that people tend to get bat diseases via an intermediary species, so perhaps there is an aversion to eating bats directly.

Once again, Hollywood got it right, 8 years ago.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1598778/

As for the poll, of course the root cause is natural.

[tvbcof]

I went with bats.
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Once again, Hollywood got it right, 8 years ago.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1598778/

As for the poll, of course the root cause is natural.

There's been a ton of predictive programming about just such a thing over the years.  It makes it so 'they' can roll out the same excuse over and over again whenever they need to explain an 'epidemic' to the sheeple class.  Works like a champ too!

The chances of a virus with these characteristics coming about by chance in very limited environments where there is even vaguely possible is very low.  The chances of a virus with these characteristics coming together in a laboratory using tools designed to create exactly such things is actually very high.

It really is pretty funny to see someone say that 'Hollywood got it right' when 'getting it right' is defined almost exclusively by what a person saw from out of Hollywood.

[eddie13]

It does say that bats weren't sold there - but obviously no-one can verify that.

I can verify that they do sell bats there.. Right alongside snakes..
Edit: https://youtu.be/9EPz8PSue2o <Not China
https://youtu.be/8tAiDEel_no

The only thing I could in good conscious vote 'for' (meaning I consider the probability above around 95%) would be simply 'lab created'.  There is simply not enough data at this point for me to go any farther than that.

Well, you get to cast 3 votes for what options you would think are most likely..


I don't buy that it naturally occurred because I think China wouldn't have locked their cities down so fast if they didn't know exactly what it was and how dangerous it was..
This quarantine is unprecedented and I can hardly believe China took such drastic action so early over just a few people getting sick..

Their is also a lot of reports of how the virus rna/dna sequence looks manipulated by man with parts of HIV, the flu, SARS, etc..

[theymos]

AFAIK, the technology is more-or-less there for creating a custom virus. The real technological barrier seems to be that although you can modify parts of a virus, it's not clear what you'd want to change in order to get any particular result. There isn't one "incubation time" knob that you can tweak on the virus, for example. If you wanted to take SARS and increase the incubation time & spread rate, I think you'd have to use tens of thousands of human test subjects in order to conduct trial-and-error modifications of the virus. I wouldn't exactly put it past the Chinese government, but natural emergence seems more likely. If they can't keep the actual virus from spreading, how are they going to keep a big scientific program with large-scale, evil human testing under wraps?