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September 15, 2020, 09:26:20 PM
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Does anyone fear that free healthcare disrupts natural selection and wonder what long term effects will result?

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September 16, 2020, 05:11:05 AM
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Here's why health care is so expensive in the US. I'm quoting Kyle from "Secular Talk"
Quote from: Secular Talk (Kyle Kulinski)
The US healthcare system is a scam, on top of a scam within a scam. Like, there's multiple levels and degrees of scamming going on.

Video title: Doctor Charged $10,984 For $8 Covid Test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g9coGWppYg
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-doctor-went-to-his-own-employer-for-a-covid-19-antibody-test-it-cost-10-984
the insurance do not actually pay the $10k
they say its $10k. if the person was uninsured. because they know that a third of uninsured people default so they ramp up the cost to cover those that default
also to get the real money from people via the co-pay. they have to ramp up the fake cost to make it look like they are getting a great deal on it

what actually happens is that although there is a $10k charge. they actually settle for only a couple hundred to cover the doctors 20 minute consultation the receptionists 10 minutes check-in. and the costs of PPE and test

yep when people have a $10k debt for not having insurance they could actually negociate a pennies on the dollar settlement or claim bankrupcy.
insurance companies are happy to sell $10k of 'debt' to debt collectors for just $200 as its a break even amount
and thats how insurance companies never lose
the pennies on the dollar selloff of unclaimed debt covers their cost.


There's no reason to doubt that the health insurance actually paid the 10k in that case. And since it was covered there's no debt either, so that's irrelevant.

What insurance does when throwing out a little of their blood money (in that case 10k) is demonstrate its power and its usefulness. In all likelihood they've already made 10k in premiums from that client alone already.

They need that image that without us you're lost. They could even afford to lose money on 3 clients out of 10 and just because of the amounts involved they'd still be making out like bandits.

Healthcare should be one of the pillars of a society. I grew up in Greece. Hospitals felt sacred. A place for people to heal. The atmosphere of a strong social institution.

And private practices had a different character too. You'd have doctors work in both their private practice and the state hospital.

I had the privilege to visit a doctor in both settings.

The character of private practices in a country were healthcare is not a scam is similar to getting a hair cut or any other service. But doctors command more respect. And they also appreciate you more.

Here in the states you're made to wait inordinate amounts of times and people try to fleece you. Hidden charges. Extra charges that come in the mail. People not being able to tell you what your bill will be for simple things like fucking vaccines or STD checks.

Interacting with the healthcare system in the US is so unpleasant, I gave myself some stitches with a needle I bent to a hook like shape all bymyself. Even though I had health insurance.


College should also be free. Where I come from both college and trade schools are free and as long as you qualify to get in you only have to pay for books. It's the least a society can do as every dollar spent on keeping people healthy and allowing them to get a good education probably brings 10 dollars back to society. We're infinitely worse off without offering these things to the population. I'm glad that the military at least is not privately run for profit.

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September 16, 2020, 06:10:20 AM
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Does anyone fear that free healthcare disrupts natural selection and wonder what long term effects will result?

only americans that never experienced free healthcare.
so about 320m out of 7.5bill..= 4.2% of the world fears free healthcare

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September 16, 2020, 08:26:03 AM
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Judging by the content of some of the posts, and what I see on Reddit, the quality of education is terribly low. Perhaps it is precisely because a minimal number of people have access to a good education.
I used free medicine and it was great. You know that no matter what happens to you, you will be cured, put in order, and at the same time you will not owe anyone half of your house.

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September 16, 2020, 12:34:33 PM
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If the college were to be free for all in the united states in the field of healthcare many would be able to receive free medical care because many who are affected by the effects of the epidemic cannot afford to spend more on medical care properly due to lack of funds it will not last long, the united states will suffer a lot. Starting a business requires planning making important financial decisions and completing a bunch of legal activities the small business association provides information on how to start a business in the united states.
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September 16, 2020, 03:53:06 PM
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In my opinion there needs a form of higher education that is available for everyone, even if you can't pay tuition. Having colleges across the country without tuition would be a good start to increase eductation levels for many people. But, there needs to difference in eduction, we can't have all the same level of education and being taught the exact same things. To attract the best professors in the world to ivy league universities the salary must be higher than on an average college. Otherwise a lot of teachers would prefer a job in the private sector.
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September 17, 2020, 05:15:04 AM
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do you think Healthcare and College should be free for all in the US? If so, how do you recommend they find it?
Nope ,Why need to free colleges?that is a  Parental obligation,Do you mean the parents will just Enjoy their lives while the government is providing education for their children?

thats unfair mate,the healthcare may sounds good But only for those people "Without Vices" because if not then The system will be abused because imagine i can Drink,and Smoke and drugs and when i get sick the government will Help me go Better?

That is Impossible to happen and will never get in real .




Maybe those who cannot afford to bring their children to college but it will be loan that the student must pay after he graduated.









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September 17, 2020, 08:38:18 AM
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That is Impossible to happen and will never get in real
Ahh yes, impossible, if you ignore the fact that it happens in almost every other developed nation in the world except the US.
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September 17, 2020, 08:47:42 AM
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do you think Healthcare and College should be free for all in the US? If so, how do you recommend they find it?
The tax charged for Americans is already high, so it is appropriate that health and education costs are free...

btw, I speak globally, not just for US citizens only,the governments around the world should make free health and education, but there are still terms and conditions.



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September 17, 2020, 09:12:01 AM
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Just as a matter of interest, why is it still called "health care"? It seems that the people who spend the most on it ( or have it spent on them ) are the unhealthiest people.

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September 17, 2020, 12:56:00 PM
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The government of every country should give more priority to health care and education. The poorer sections of the population are more dependent on these two sectors. They died prematurely due to lack of treatment the governments of all countries including the United States should make them available free of charge. the country will reach the peak of development if the poor talented people like various organizations have such opportunities.
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