If we want a proper testing of Epochtalk, we need at least the Beta site back!

[ibminer]

A few things I've noticed:

-Image drag/drop is glitchy with multiple images. When dragging/dropping 2 (or more) images (back-to-back), the [img] tags get created, but in preview it usually doesn't show the 2nd image at all, if you post it, it clears out the 2nd [img] tag. I've found I had to hit 'enter' at least once or twice between each drag/drop to get it to post correctly.
-Also related, drag/drop of one or many images with no text doesn't allow 'send reply' to be hit.

-No drafts capability for new messages.

-Also with new messages, when moving to 'preview', the window gets the focus (hitting the delete key will close the window, wiping the message). Same thing happens when switching back to 'compose', the window itself stays with the 'focus', not the text box, and hitting the delete key (thinking you're deleting text) will close the message window entirely, wiping the message, due to the aforementioned lack of draft capability.

-New threads or replies by the user themselves shouldn't be seen as "new" under recent threads or other areas.

[suchmoon]

More PM weirdness:

• I can't send a PM to myself. I should be able to.
• I can send a PM to DefaultTrustList. I don't think I should be able to.
• There is no visual difference between sent and received, read and unread messages. All messages in the list look exactly the same.
• If I type in a non-existent username (or my own) and try to send a PM to it I get a non-descriptive error message "Failed to create conversation". It should tell me that the user doesn't exist.
• When it fails "to create conversation" my message disappears. So if I type a lot of text and then misspell recipient's username - all my work is gone.
• If I try to send a message to multiple recipients and some are non-existent - there is no error message.
• Paging with back/forward buttons is not scalable. I have 150+ pages of messages on Bitcointalk. It would take me 150+ clicks to get to my oldest messages on Epochtalk. Probably 200+ clicks, since the page size is set to 15 with no way to change it.
• No sorting.
• No search.
• No labels.
• No option select and delete multiple messages at once.
• No option to quote a message in a reply (the need is somewhat minimized by the threaded layout but it is still needed).

One more issue that's not about PMs:

Open a new reply in a thread. Type hyphens and watch the "Send" button:

- (button activates)
-- (button still active)
--- (button gets disabled)
-------------------------------------- (button still disabled)

What's so special about 3+ hyphens that I can't post them but I can post one or two?

[Rizzrack]

Ok, here's what's going on. It does save an empty signature but doesn't update the profile page so it still shows the signature after I hit Save. The signature goes away if I refresh the page. Still a bug IMO. If I change a signature to a non-empty one it shows up immediately.

Seems adding a signature is initialized and displays info without refresh. Deleting does not. Will have a look into this

No e-mail notifications for PMs.

True... added on the to do list

How do I run unit tests? I made some code changes, need to verify it doesn't break anything.

My best advice is to run circleci in your repo where you forked epochtalk

A few things I've noticed:

-Image drag/drop is glitchy with multiple images. When dragging/dropping 2 (or more) images (back-to-back), the [img] tags get created, but in preview it usually doesn't show the 2nd image at all, if you post it, it clears out the 2nd [img] tag. I've found I had to hit 'enter' at least once or twice between each drag/drop to get it to post correctly.

Could not really replicate this. https://coinbistro.com/threads/0ikKhHejRWmWWV3R8l6EgA/posts?start=55#Nly-V65FSZmJsrtdDG8eZg worked with images in a row and on separate rows

-Also related, drag/drop of one or many images with no text doesn't allow 'send reply' to be hit.

-No drafts capability for new messages.

I know this was an issue but thought it was fixed. We have version e5bf006c on Coinbistro https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk/commits/e5bf006c
It would display it in the Admin panel top left as "Running version:....."
Yeah, drafts... Noticed that but the guys did not get to it yet

-Also with new messages, when moving to 'preview', the window gets the focus (hitting the delete key will close the window, wiping the message). Same thing happens when switching back to 'compose', the window itself stays with the 'focus', not the text box, and hitting the delete key (thinking you're deleting text) will close the message window entirely, wiping the message, due to the aforementioned lack of draft capability.

I found that out after writing a pretty big post... Was pretty pissed.
I assume it was an added feature with a small bug. For example you can change between pages in a thread and the text box will not close. Only if you leave the thread then you lost the post.

More PM weirdness:

• I can't send a PM to myself. I should be able to.

Never tried to PM myself, but makes sence

• I can send a PM to DefaultTrustList. I don't think I should be able to.

Would hate to see that inbox. ) Will add some restrictions

• There is no visual difference between sent and received, read and unread messages. All messages in the list look exactly the same.

That should be solved by the notifications in the header, tho I agree some slight differentiation should be made

• If I type in a non-existent username (or my own) and try to send a PM to it I get a non-descriptive error message "Failed to create conversation". It should tell me that the user doesn't exist.

Will see about these custom errors. The input box is bolded red for what it's worth

• When it fails "to create conversation" my message disappears. So if I type a lot of text and then misspell recipient's username - all my work is gone.

same as for posts. Once draft module will be in place should fix that and some restrictions like "start new conversation"/"reply" not active if username not correct

• If I try to send a message to multiple recipients and some are non-existent - there is no error message.
• Paging with back/forward buttons is not scalable. I have 150+ pages of messages on Bitcointalk. It would take me 150+ clicks to get to my oldest messages on Epochtalk. Probably 200+ clicks, since the page size is set to 15 with no way to change it.

the format is changed. did you PM with 3000+ different users ? might be possible I guess. Will talk to the guys about pagination.

• No sorting.
• No search.

Fair enough...

• No labels.

Do not have that many PMs in order to start using labels. I guess did not think about them

• No option select and delete multiple messages at once.
• No option to quote a message in a reply (the need is somewhat minimized by the threaded layout but it is still needed).

Fair enough...
[/list]

What's so special about 3+ hyphens that I can't post them but I can post one or two?

There is some weird voodoo with those hyphens.
If you write only 3hyphens it shows a HR in preview (but cannot post). Because "- - -" actually is HR and somehow is confused by the spaces.
BBCode is a separate discussion on it's own.
I'll try to give them examples of what is wrong and will see later. Will definitely have a few more iterations .

Thanks for all the feedback !

[TheBeardedBaby]

I just gonna leave this here, and ill check again tomorrow if those things are already fixed.

Great,

How can we get access to the modlog and the seclog? I tried to find it but without success til now.

I'll use this thread to write my review on Epochtalk later.

My overview > Updated 03.03.


Bugs/issues
1.  Notifications  for mentions are triggered after a certain amount of time.  That is OK .
2. After Marking the notifications  " all read" there is still pending old notification. 
3.  Toolbar menus for posting  are missing . I guess it's intended.
4.  Trust feedback cannot be changed or removed after posting it. I guess there is some cool down time, but should be mentioned somewhere on the page.
5. Seems like the view count is not working .
6. There are no "post drafts" after a preview of a post.
7. Self-moderated thread is actually not a self moderated. You cannot delete posts. Actually you can hide them but the user can unhide them so it is useless.
8 . Some symbols are not displayed at all like asterisk. If you have it in the signature, it disappears.
9. No post count option.
10. cannot delete posts in self-moderated threads, can only hide them - i guess it's intentional.
11. No ranks yet.
12. No restriction in posting and searching, maybe due to no ranking system yet.
13. I cannot move topics in different sections

Side note: I guess big part of those issues can be corrected/activated  from the admin panel. I have no access to confirm that.


What caught my attention /no issues/ :
Activity stops at 14. I guess the algorithm is working.

What I like :


1. You can choose to report user or post, I like it
2. Easy to add users to the trust list,  separate  buttons to trust and untrust lists, cool.
3.  Nice mobile version

[Rizzrack]

Added the replies in green

I just gonna leave this here, and ill check again tomorrow if those things are already fixed.

Great,

How can we get access to the modlog and the seclog? I tried to find it but without success til now. Modlog is ... just for mods for the moment and need a few more features for seclog to be created

I'll use this thread to write my review on Epochtalk later.

My overview > Updated 03.03.


Bugs/issues
1.  Notifications  for mentions are triggered after a certain amount of time.  That is OK . They are pretty instant now
2. After Marking the notifications  " all read" there is still pending old notification.  works now
3.  Toolbar menus for posting  are missing . I guess it's intended. no buttons, shortcuts and smileys yet I'm afraid. But are on the to do list
4.  Trust feedback cannot be changed or removed after posting it. I guess there is some cool down time, but should be mentioned somewhere on the page. the possibility to delete feedback will be added
5. Seems like the view count is not working . should be working now
6. There are no "post drafts" after a preview of a post. definitely a necessary feature and needs to be added
7. Self-moderated thread is actually not a self moderated. You cannot delete posts. Actually you can hide them but the user can unhide them so it is useless. EDITED: there is the option to hide and lock, so user cannot unhide it or edit it.
8 . Some symbols are not displayed at all like asterisk. If you have it in the signature, it disappears. nice catch! so far hyphens and asterix. do you have any more examples ?
9. No post count option. in profile post history ?
10. cannot delete posts in self-moderated threads, can only hide them - i guess it's intentional.  see 7
11. No ranks yet. mo merit yet...
12. No restriction in posting and searching, maybe due to no ranking system yet. yup
13. I cannot move topics in different sections move threads in working

Side note: I guess big part of those issues can be corrected/activated  from the admin panel. I have no access to confirm that.


What caught my attention /no issues/ :
Activity stops at 14. I guess the algorithm is working.  does not take potential activity into account. told them about it and will be revised

What I like :


1. You can choose to report user or post, I like it
2. Easy to add users to the trust list,  separate  buttons to trust and untrust lists, cool.
3.  Nice mobile version

Thanks a lot dude  

Need to make a list and prioritize them in a way

[TheBeardedBaby]

Added the replies in green
~
Thanks a lot dude  

Need to make a list and prioritize them in a way

This was from when I was testing the Cryptos-Currencies.Com wesbite, exactly 1 yaer ago.

My overview > Updated 03.03.

This is from 2019.
I'll see if I can get some more free time to catch up with you guys but I don't see this happening in the near future ;(

BTW here is what DDmr² found as well >

Not sure where the bugs and such are best reported, and they may not be bugs but parametrization features or functional oddities. Maybe best in both places. For now, there is a thread on the referenced website, and as @theyoungmillionaire has done, I'll post mine here (trying not to report what others have already done):


Some of the apparent bugs we may find could have to do with system configuration, as perhaps there are parameters that can be set by the Admin to customize the environment such as lack of edit tool bar, post max. size, etc.  At this point, bugs and lack of functionality (compared to current Bitcointalk) may be confused. I'll try to skip reporting things that have already been mentioned.

These are a few I’ve found so far:

1) Copy/paste post from Bitcointalk seems to confront size limitations-> post is trimmed to around 600 words out of 1285 of the OP.

2) Screen width is not taken into account as much as on the Bitcointalk site: posts here are cropped by around 25% on my screen (wide 4k). Also zooming in to screen on Bitcointalk redistributes post text accordingly, while here it does not do it if you shrink the screen size (it does if you enlarge the screen a lot).

3) Some text with spaces that displays aligned on Bitcointalk does not here. Possibly due to the default text font being different (when I copy text into word from this site it displays as “lato”, whilst being “calibri” when doing the same from Bitcointalk).

4) When I try to snip  in a quote the way I normally do it  (less than + 2 dots+ greater than), the preview and post actions delete the snip.  That is weird, and when importing all Bitcointalk could be an issue.

5) I can edit my profile UserName. That seems to be the PK to each user.  If I can change it, that could be troublesome (let alone for scraping and joining data, but that is a lesser issue from the forum's perspective).

6) Although already mentioned, not being able to delete a post, but only hide it is weird.

7) (minor issue) “Code” embraced areas seem to add a few blank lines on its own will, making the code area larger than necessary.

8 ) (minor issue) Direct urls  are sometimes converted to hyperlinks and others not (dictionary based?).

9) “Too many request” appear twice on screen. We are not many concurrent users, so it’s strange to see it.

10) Imported someone’s small pyramid quote. Displays fine but dates are wrong and relative to 1970.

11) Created 15 posts. I deleted one of them, and @iasenko another on a self-moderated thread. Nevertheless, my activity shows as 14 (not 13 as I expected). Also there is no post count. Post deletion seems to hide posts, but perhaps it is not adjusting Activity properly.

12) While on my profile, my post history has a very small thread title space (so it tends to appear trimmed).

13) There is no post number in the personal post history. If there are campaigns, counting posts will be a bit more difficult in relation to how it is done on Bitcointalk.

14) In addition, post history is only relative to thread, but we do not see the path to the thread as we currently do on bitcointalk (section/subsection/etc.).

15) I can see a post of mine on two pages of the paging of a given thread. If I change the setting to allow 50 post per page (instead of 25), then the post only shows once as it should. The post is last on the first page of the thread (post number 25 - if there were a number), and second on the following page (post number 27 - if there were a number).

16) Management of deleted posts seems a bit of a mess. A post of mine was deleted on a self-moderated thread. Nevertheless, I was still able to unhide it, edit it and quote it.

17) In the Notification menu, marking one or all as read does not refresh their status until you actually refresh the page itself.

18) This seems odd. I received 3 PMs from one single user (ok), but the Reply I create does no reference, nor let me decide, which of the three PMs I'm replying to.


In addition, without it being bug related:

-    Since profiles are not by ID but by username, a priori, you cannot create a process to download say all forum profiles, amongst other things. It could also bring on some difficulties related to mapped character tables on those names with “weird” characters in them.

-    To gain access to the content of all posts from his history, you need to click each thread header from the list. Scraper can do that conceptually, but it may deem a complication.

-    PostId is a weird looking string, but the current one was not much use either if you wanted to retrieve all posts from a thread for example. You still need to scrape the hard way instead of through a correlative set of IDs.

Edit: 20190317:

19) (functionality) I can Deactivate/Reactivate my account, and that hide my account and all my posts from the forum: Good for the user, bad for the forum ?

20) After browing notifications, you need to refresh the page for the new notification counter to disappear.

[ibminer]

-Image drag/drop is glitchy with multiple images. When dragging/dropping 2 (or more) images (back-to-back), the [img] tags get created, but in preview it usually doesn't show the 2nd image at all, if you post it, it clears out the 2nd [img] tag. I've found I had to hit 'enter' at least once or twice between each drag/drop to get it to post correctly.

Could not really replicate this. https://coinbistro.com/threads/0ikKhHejRWmWWV3R8l6EgA/posts?start=55#Nly-V65FSZmJsrtdDG8eZg worked with images in a row and on separate rows

I think we're using the latest version but I don't see an admin panel to verify - suchmoon is holding out on me.  
If we're using the latest, I'll try a screencast to capture the behavior.

I found that out after writing a pretty big post... Was pretty pissed.

Ya, me too... I was upset the first time, really unhappy the 2nd time I did it after re-typing the same long message. I gave up and went to a summarized message after that. lol

Also to add one more:
-Mentions do not notify a user in an edited post (if you edit in a @username to an existing post)

[Rizzrack]

If we're using the latest, I'll try a screencast to capture the behavior.

If it's the same version then the only possible difference would be that we have an Amazon AWS bucket for images while, I assume, you guys are keeping them local. But don't see how that would make a difference in this particular case.
If you have some more info would be appreciated

Ya, me too... I was upset the first time, really unhappy the 2nd time I did it after re-typing the same long message. I gave up and went to a summarized message after that. lol

LOL ! You really found out the hard way

-Mentions do not notify a user in an edited post (if you edit in a @username to an existing post)

That is the intended behavior. Would you like to be spammed every time someone quotes the post you were mentioned in ?

[suchmoon]

That is the intended behavior. Would you like to be spammed every time someone quotes the post you were mentioned in ?

This has nothing to do with quotes. If I make a post and want to @ someone 3 seconds later I should be able to do so by editing the post and adding the @username (without creating a new post).

@ in quotes should not trigger an alert whether it's a new or edited post.

I think we're using the latest version but I don't see an admin panel to verify - suchmoon is holding out on me.  

Slander

Log in as epochtalk-admin

"version v1.10.0" is what it says.

[Rizzrack]

This has nothing to do with quotes. If I make a post and want to @ someone 3 seconds later I should be able to do so by editing the post and adding the @username (without creating a new post).

@ in quotes should not trigger an alert whether it's a new or edited post.

Sorry, must have misunderstood...   don't know why I was thinking about quotes.

I also raised the issue and this was the reply from Slickage:

This is an intended behaviour. In reduce spamming, we prevent notifications from happening on edit. Otherwise, all mentioned users will receive a notification any time the post is edited.

This is consistent with most services that use notifications.

https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk/issues/646#issuecomment-535733591

[suchmoon]

all mentioned users will receive a notification any time the post is edited.

I disagree. It's already tracking who has been notified, who clicked the notification etc, so it should be trivial to prevent duplicate notifications.

However if that's a hard policy, then the @username should not be highlighted if there was no notification. Right now it's impossible for the user to figure out which notifications work and which don't.

[Rizzrack]

Right now it's impossible for the user to figure out which notifications work and which don't.

Fair point !
I guess if mentions are added on edit they should not be decorated, and be just plain text...

[suchmoon]

More PM weirdness:

I'm not done yet LOL

• Can't forward a PM.
• Can't add other users to an existing conversation.
• Can't choose to reply to one or more recipients in a multi-user conversation (I'm guessing it always works as "reply to all").

[Rizzrack]

More PM weirdness:

I'm not done yet LOL

Glad to hear that

• Can't forward a PM.
• Can't add other users to an existing conversation.
• Can't choose to reply to one or more recipients in a multi-user conversation (I'm guessing it always works as "reply to all").

• A behavior I see is adding quote in messages. And just quote and copy in new message to new recipient. Would that work ?
• I can see the use cases. So basically add/remove users from conversations. What would be the difference between this and start a new discussion with who you want ?
• Again, quote and make a new discussion...

I know quote PM is not available yet but think it might solve these problems
This is how I see it at least.
Would it be ok if for these 3 things you need to make more actions than now ?
Trying to see how this would be integrated in the message-discussion scheme of things.

Any thoughts ?

[suchmoon]

I know quote PM is not available yet but think it might solve these problems

Technically it would work but it's a hassle compared to how Bitcointalk/SMF works - hit reply or quote, modify the recipient list any way you want, send. There is no reason the new forum can't be at least as convenient instead of forcing me to copy-paste the quote in a new conversation, then re-enter (some of) the recipients. It should just allow me to edit the recipient list and it can create a new conversation automatically if the recipient list has changed.

Also there is no BCC option.


One more parsing issue: @some.code() is converted into "mailto:{@some.code}()", which doesn't really get rendered as a "mailto".

[TheBeardedBaby]

I think you guys should get some kind of a reward for doing all this, if it won't be a financial benefit then at least a badge for the forum software debugging.
You guys are awesome that's why i love this comunity

[Rizzrack]

Thanks dude, really means a lot !

Epochtalk as a forum is ok and close to be a viable option. For bitcointalk there are still lots to do.
But as long as I feel that things are moving in the correct direction I'm glad to help!

Nice thoughts but no need for prizes. Like the bear from "The Revenant"



Edit:

Technically it would work but it's a hassle compared to how Bitcointalk/SMF works - hit reply or quote, modify the recipient list any way you want, send. There is no reason the new forum can't be at least as convenient instead of forcing me to copy-paste the quote in a new conversation, then re-enter (some of) the recipients. It should just allow me to edit the recipient list and it can create a new conversation automatically if the recipient list has changed.

Forward and BCC seem necessary.
Add/remove users from conversation is a more complex feature. Do you let user to see past conversation? and lots of other questions, permissions, code, etc.

Will keep this in mind but for the moment I would "label" it as quality of life and we'll see when we get there.

Thanks a lot for your continuous input

[suchmoon]

Do you let user to see past conversation? and lots of other questions, permissions, code, etc.

I'd say just automatically start a new conversation from that point forward. If someone got removed they won't see the new conversation but can still see the old one. If someone got added they see only the new conversation. This would work exactly the same as if I copy-pasted the quote in a new conversation manually.

[Rizzrack]

I'd say just automatically start a new conversation from that point forward. If someone got removed they won't see the new conversation but can still see the old one. If someone got added they see only the new conversation. This would work exactly the same as if I copy-pasted the quote in a new conversation manually.

I understand you point but let's analyze this a bit.
Supposing the quote feature is added already...

Epochtalk

• You have the current conversation with A, B, C and D. Quote last message and copy it
• Click on "New Message"
• Add recipients, so A, B, C, E, F (without D)
• Paste last message quote and add new message

vs SMF

• Click on "quote"
• Remove unwanted recipients and add new ones
• Write new info

So overall you have 1 click and Ctrl+C & Ctrl+V more to do.
This is why I consider this particular feature to be lower on the to-do list and worth asking more users if they actually find it net better/more convenient before writing code in that direction. There are plenty to do ) Trying to prioritize dev's focus...
 
Don't get me wrong, your feedback is highly appreciated and keeping a very close eye on your input. It's just that this exact feature would require a bit of elbow grease (to say the least) tho it works well (IMHO) with existing/future (quote) possibilities.

Thanks again ! 

[suchmoon]

So overall you have 1 click and Ctrl+C & Ctrl+V more to do.

Select-copy-paste is a major hassle on mobile.

How about this then: a "Forward" option, which is essentially starting a new conversation but pre-fills it with a quote of the existing conversation. This doesn't sound too complicated, does it? And then add another option called "Clone" (not a good name but you get the gist), which is the same as "Forward" but also pre-fills the recipient list with the existing recipients - also doesn't seem like a huge task. And that's essentially the same as reply-and-edit-recipients-and-create-a-new-conversation-automatically option, with one minor difference that it would create a new conversation even if you didn't change the recipients, which is probably ok.

Granted it's not something that will be used by everyone but it's the kind of thing that is extremely annoying in the rare cases when you need it (like e.g. inability to quote posts from locked threads in SMF).