Are newbies persecuted on this forum?

[dkbit98]

I am not against VPN.
When asked what VPN to use in that topic I posted my answer with multiple reviews and comparisons.
What triggered me to give feedback to this KID is that after me and  o_e_l_e_o o
said specific bad things  regarding that VPN, KID registers and pops up again with same 'reliable' VPN recommendation.

Now, my intention was to protect any other real newbies from using that VPN, but anyone can use whatever shit they want in the end.

I rest my case, as I am not a fan of endless Reputation wars.

[The Cryptovator]

I am not agree for negative feedback on that case. Since OP was newbie a warning via PM would be appropriate. And its seems @dkbit98 and some others already explained to OP about that VPN. Newbies won't expert always what they should post and what they shouldn't post. If there is no obvious scam case then we shouldn't treat newbies with red tag IMO.

However, neutral isn't harmful so it's fine for now. Just keep him in eye if he is shilling again. Posting VPN related thread about VPN at once wouldn't consider as shill.

[BubbleButtBabe]

Yesterday I joined the forum, and after 1 post I got negative trust just because someone don't trust me.
How can someone say "I don't trust you!" after one post and accuse you that you are promoting a product?

I use Brave extension (chromium based) SetupVPN which is very easy to use and reliable.
Just try multiple VPN providers and choose one that fits your needs.

The thread name is: Which VPN to pick?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225792.0

Hey, i spent some time researching the best vpn to use, and brave is a very widely used an higjly recommended.
May be this member has made a small error.
What happens if you get a negative trust? You can post messages and read but not sell items ?
If you dont want to sell items or trade you will not find any disadvantage.
The rules are allowing vpn but you may pay to join a small fee to start of micro satoshi.
Not a good start for you im sorry.
I notice not negative right now and change to black not red. All is okay dont be persecuted.

[~KiD~]

1st post ever in bitcointalk forum:

I use Brave extension (chromium based) SetupVPN which is very easy to use and reliable.

I do not promote any product

Very easy
You are just a fake newbie, and you are not being persecuted, just NOT trusted by me.
http://archive.ph/iZHsh

Trust feedback is not permanent, and it can change...in future.

Like The Pharmacist said that thread poped into my eyes because it was at the top of Beginers & Help section. I have nothing to do with the thread initiator - you can ask an admin to check our IP - since ironically (if we look at the subject we duscuss) I don't use VPN to connect to this forum.

About:
"When asked what VPN to use in that topic I posted my answer with multiple reviews and comparisons.
What triggered me to give feedback to this KID is that after me and  o_e_l_e_o o
said specific bad things  regarding that VPN, KID registers and pops up again with same 'reliable' VPN recommendation."

I didn't read the whole thread discussion, I didn't know you said is a bad VPN, I just answered the question.

To BubbleButtBabe
"What happens if you get a negative trust? You can post messages and read but not sell items ?"

I don't trade anything in here, but I don't like when someone puts the tag: "not trusted shitVPN promoter" without any proof, just because he feels it.

[HCP]

Far too many people on DT these days with itchy trigger fingers

Simply voicing an opinion (albeit a fairly naive one), shouldn't result in a user getting tagged... red or otherwise. If they had continued to "shill" for SetupVPN by continually posting the same stuff regarding SetupVPN and actively promoting it etc after being educated that this particularly VPN service is not great, then I could probably understand a tag.

But to come out swinging with a trust rating based on a single post, and a simple hunch that this is an alt account with absolutely zero proof is inappropriate in my opinion. I'm glad the rating was at least downgraded to a neutral... I still don't agree with the wording though.

[Pffrt]

I really don't see any reason for a negative tag, not even a neutral tag is needed here. OP may be or not be promoting SetupVPN but even if he is trying to promote that, why he can't be trusted?
How many of us are having enough analysis before promoting a project? Very few indeed. dkbit is promoting GOLD backed stablecoin, did he ever analyzied if they are real or not? No personally attack bud but just trying to point that if such things deserve neg tag then probably more than 90% of the forum user will get neg tag.

[rupola85]

I am also a victim of @dkbit's harassment. This user gave me untrusted feedback for no reason.
Though I'm not an account seller but he tagged me. I think he is abusing the trust system or he is an attention seeker and wanted to be DT2 member by doing such kind of nasty thing.

[truth or dare]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226886.0

I have not examined deeply the entire reason for the red tag. Any memeber that is unhappy with the subjective use of the tagging system can join the guild that aims to ensure objective transparent and fair standards are upheld.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226886.0

The tag looks neutral now but to prevent further upset join the guild. Pass the word on to any other members that may be interested.

[LoyceV]

That is your opinion, but I participated in discussion about VPN, and you did not.
He created new account with specific purpose to promote this specific shitVPN and posted 3 minutes after registration.

If it's spam, you can report it as such. I'm with DdmrDdmr on this: it shouldn't receive negative feedback.

You could be right on the VPN, and I wouldn't dare touch it myself, but a simple post under his post would have been enough. He might even change which VPN he uses by himself. I'm not convinced it's an alt-account created just to promote the VPN. Let's see if we can turn him into a real Bitcointalk user

[dkbit98]

You could be right on the VPN, and I wouldn't dare touch it myself, but a simple post under his post would have been enough. He might even change which VPN he uses by himself. I'm not convinced it's an alt-account created just to promote the VPN. Let's see if we can turn him into a real Bitcointalk user

Like I said many times, I can change my feedback if proven wrong, and it was changed to neutral.
I see now that some members complain even with neutral feedback and incorrect wording.
For this purpose, I asked in forum to have some kind of personal private part of feedback system that only I can see, like some kind of notes. :/

I can only hope wounds from my terrible actions will heal quickly, and that KID can become a proper member.

[yahoo62278]

You could be right on the VPN, and I wouldn't dare touch it myself, but a simple post under his post would have been enough. He might even change which VPN he uses by himself. I'm not convinced it's an alt-account created just to promote the VPN. Let's see if we can turn him into a real Bitcointalk user

Like I said many times, I can change my feedback if proven wrong, and it was changed to neutral.
I see now that some members complain even with neutral feedback and incorrect wording.
For this purpose, I asked in forum to have some kind of personal private part of feedback system that only I can see, like some kind of notes. :/

I can only hope wounds from my terrible actions will heal quickly, and that KID can become a proper member.

You could make a spreadsheet for personal notes on users that is only seen by you.

[LoyceV]

For this purpose, I asked in forum to have some kind of personal private part of feedback system that only I can see, like some kind of notes. :/

You could make a spreadsheet for personal notes on users that is only seen by you.

Or ask for it to be added to the BPIP Extension. It might actually work

[dkbit98]

You could make a spreadsheet for personal notes on users that is only seen by you.

I can do that, but it would be lost and not used all the time.

Or ask for it to be added to the BPIP Extension. It might actually work

Yeah man! I would use that 100%
Maybe that can help me to switch over from the 'dark side force' to light  

[truth or dare]

You could be right on the VPN, and I wouldn't dare touch it myself, but a simple post under his post would have been enough. He might even change which VPN he uses by himself. I'm not convinced it's an alt-account created just to promote the VPN. Let's see if we can turn him into a real Bitcointalk user

Like I said many times, I can change my feedback if proven wrong, and it was changed to neutral.
I see now that some members complain even with neutral feedback and incorrect wording.
For this purpose, I asked in forum to have some kind of personal private part of feedback system that only I can see, like some kind of notes. :/

I can only hope wounds from my terrible actions will heal quickly, and that KID can become a proper member.

Nice to see a willingness to change your tags and de-esculate. Sensible and reasonable behavior.
Should have merit.

[~KiD~]

Let's see if we can turn him into a real Bitcointalk user

Let's see...
Thanks for the Merits, I don't think this thread deserved any merits, but I think is just as an encouragement move.

[LoyceV]

Thanks for the Merits, I don't think this thread deserved any merits

It sparked some discussion and doesn't look like spam. That's enough for me

[Harlot]

dkbit98 might a little bit trigger happy on giving you a feedback but seeing how the thread plays out it was wrong for you to suggest a free kind of VPN when the OP is already open for suggestions for paid ones since he is already using NordVPN which is a paid VPN. The replies from you on that thread were all correct everything about Free VPNs being a spyware is all true since the data you are inputting during the use of their service is being monetize by them, they won't really be a free service without any kind of catch at the end. My advice is make this mistake as some kind of lesson that you just don't suggest any kind of service just because you are using them, you must make sure that they are reliable and secure for other users so that you won't look like someone who is just promoting a service.

[~KiD~]

dkbit98 might a little bit trigger happy on giving you a feedback but seeing how the thread plays out it was wrong for you to suggest a free kind of VPN when the OP is already open for suggestions for paid ones since he is already using NordVPN which is a paid VPN. The replies from you on that thread were all correct everything about Free VPNs being a spyware is all true since the data you are inputting during the use of their service is being monetize by them, they won't really be a free service without any kind of catch at the end. My advice is make this mistake as some kind of lesson that you just don't suggest any kind of service just because you are using them, you must make sure that they are reliable and secure for other users so that you won't look like someone who is just promoting a service.

I will follow your advice, even if I don't like this.
Why I don't like this? Well I thought this forum is about sharing experiences and knowledge, without the need to guarantee for what others made/did (in this case the VPN software).

P.S. What mistake?

[iHodler]

Persecuted I wouldn't say because is a bit too much, but ignored (in my case) and maybe treated with superiority (in your case).

I am feeling ignored because I reported some connected accounts in this thread and no one with higher rank took any measure. No red tag, nor ban while some other posts following mine, got read and cheaters were tagged/banned or posters merited. So mine looks like skipped or ignored. Just saying...

[Rikafip]

Persecuted I wouldn't say because is a bit too much, but ignored (in my case) and maybe treated with superiority (in your case).

I am feeling ignored because I reported some connected accounts in this thread and no one with higher rank took any measure. No red tag, nor ban while some other posts following mine, got read and cheaters were tagged/banned or posters merited. So mine looks like skipped or ignored. Just saying...

Just having an alt account is not a reason for red tag or ban. Did you prove in your report that those accounts joined the same bounty campaign? If you can do that, I'll gladly tag them for bounty campaign abuse. Another thing, don't hesitate to leave feedback on someone even though you are not DT member, and remember to leave reference, it might help the others.
About the merit, sometimes you get the merit, sometimes you don't. Same goes for everyone, not just Newbies.

Regarding OT and his question about newbies being persecuted,  huge majority of newbie accounts are made for some type of scam or other shady behavior, so people will be extra careful and suspicious. Nothing personal.