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February 22, 2020, 02:09:38 AM
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Why does moderator/admin ban someone?
To off limit using the forum, isn't it? If someone is banned from the forum for a week or two or permanently, they are not having the advantage of facilitating a lot of features.

Now, if other people help them doing things, how much off limit are they in reality?

This is not a personal thing. Hhampuz have been banned twice so far to my known. But some people is helping them bumping Hhampuz's thread (I am 100% sure Hhampuz never asked anyone to do that, people doing voluntarily), TMAN annoucing free slots (Hhampuz asked).
Why people assist Hhampuz when he has broken rules?
Why TMAN assisting Hhampuz to do things which Hhampuz is not allowed to that?

If it's allowed, why the false sense of off limiting features?

PS- If anyone takes it as personal attack etc. please don't respond because your respond will be biased.
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Why people assist Hhampuz when he has broken rules?

Sometimes people like to help other people, and if I understand this correctly it's not so much for Hhampuz as it is for his customers, who are not at fault for whatever Hhampuz did to get the ban.

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If you are referring to the people who bumped his campaign management threads, I don't know what happened, but my initial thought when I saw it was that Hhampuz did not ask those people to bump his thread. My speculation is they either wanted to boost their post count or increase their chances of being accepted into one of his campaigns in the future.

Someone is banned because they are causing enough problems via rule violations that they are prevented from using the forum as a way of telling the person they need to stop causing problems. A ban is not a way to prohibit a person from conducting business. Someone who is banned can still login, read posts, receive Personal Messages, and display their contact information. The only features a ban will disable are posting (probably moving, and un/locking threads), sending Personal Messages and they cannot receive Private Messages. If you can conduct business with these constraints, you are free to so do. Someone who is banned is also free to update a google docs spreadsheet that is often linked in marketplace threads.

Honestly, this thread seems a lot like a hit job to me, just like the one was, which was totally posted by a different person.


This is only true if you are regular banned. If you are double banned, you must follow all double ban regulations to the "T" or else you must file extra paperwork with the administration office. /s

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February 22, 2020, 03:03:10 AM
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There is no Rule breaking when someone has an Temp Ban and ask other User that he trust that they write some Information or News in this Thread!
If the posts that done from TMAN are not in order from Hhampuz that will bring TMAN in trouble.
But i trust TMAN on that what he has posted and guess he dont doing some kind of things to get the Account in trouble.
Also the thread is not bumped with the post he has done , it was an Information for Users that want or searching a Spot in an Signature Camp.





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February 22, 2020, 03:15:51 AM
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Why people assist Hhampuz when he has broken rules?
Why TMAN assisting Hhampuz to do things which Hhampuz is not allowed to that?
A quick answer is from our global moderators (hilariousandco and mprep). It depends and will be taken into consideration case by case.
Things like this will be taken on a case by case basis. Making an update of something important is probably fine if it's essential, but you can't just use another account as a proxy to ban evade. One or two users in the past have been banned and then just attempted use another member to continue to bump their thread and continue their business which isn't ok. Probably best to ask in Meta and give the circumstances.

As for the "posting on behalf of someone", as hilariousandco pointed out, it really depends. I'd say a short "hey, I'm unable to post on the forums; everything is fine and I'll be back in a bit" should be fine if it's related to something time-sensitive and important (e.g. bounty campaigns).





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February 22, 2020, 03:22:57 AM
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Why people assist Hhampuz when he has broken rules?

Sometimes people like to help other people, and if I understand this correctly it's not so much for Hhampuz as it is for his customers, who are not at fault for whatever Hhampuz did to get the ban.
So, someone can run their service/business even if they are banned here with alt (Not the case here of course, Hhampuz can never do that I believe) but in general it's possible? Again, aren't it being false sense of banning someone for breaking forum rules? If they are able to do everything they need, what's the result of the ban? Off limit from posting from the main account but easy to get the ban lifted through alt? Again, this is in general, not purposely threw to Hhampuz.

As for the "posting on behalf of someone", as hilariousandco pointed out, it really depends. I'd say a short "hey, I'm unable to post on the forums; everything is fine and I'll be back in a bit" should be fine if it's related to something time-sensitive and important (e.g. bounty campaigns).
This and the case in Hhampuz is different. Look at the bold part. I can say that I will be back within x days, or campaign manager Sylon used to share update on his medium account may be. That's are ssomething else.
This temp ban is off limiting me to post (but I can post), this temp ban is off limiting me to communicate on forum (but I can communicate on forum), then what's the punishment someone is actually getting?
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February 22, 2020, 03:29:28 AM
Last edit: February 22, 2020, 04:04:26 AM by tranthidung
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Both two global moderators replied to that thread, and they sure awared of what Hhampuz did. I think it is fine, no rule-broken activity with it.

It is acceptable if on-behalf announcements are done in current actively campaigns but is unacceptable if someone create a new announcement for a new campaign on behalf of a temp-banned manager.
Also the thread is not bumped with the post he has done , it was an Information for Users that want or searching a Spot in an Signature Camp.
Lafu pointed out. Everyone who check spreadsheet are aware of removed participants that mostly means a same number of spots are openned. In this case, on-behalf announcements are needed, IMO.

Maybe, more explanations from the global moderators might be helpful but if I understand their posts well, they already explained well too.


I don't say you did personal attack. If you take one case as an example, you meant what will be solved with the same activities from others. I replied with my thoughts 'in general'. Maybe, others' opinion will help, I wrote all of my thoughts.





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Both two global moderators replied to that thread, and they sure awared of what Hhampuz did. I think it is fine, no rule-broken activity with it.
Just to clarify you, I didn't say anyone breaking rules by doing that. My main question was- why false sense of banning someone? If he can conduct everything in one way or another, what punishment he got? Nothing, right?

Why all the rules are here? To prevent spam, right? If you are not going to be penalized which you don't realize, how can you prevent the spam? People will do it continuously of course cause they are getting nothing off limit in reality.

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I have to quote myself once again-
PS- If anyone takes it as personal attack etc. please don't respond because your respond will be biased.
This means if you are taking this thread created for Hhampuz, please don't respond here.

Everyone who check spreadsheet are aware of removed participants that mostly means a same number of spots are openned. In this case, on-behalf announcements are needed, IMO.
You even didn't think of reading what TMAN said.

You keep saying it's "in general" and you keep referring to Hhampuz. Make up your mind.
Cause I have used Hhampuz's case as an example and that's why I had to refer him.
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Why people assist Hhampuz when he has broken rules?

Sometimes people like to help other people, and if I understand this correctly it's not so much for Hhampuz as it is for his customers, who are not at fault for whatever Hhampuz did to get the ban.
So, someone can run their service/business even if they are banned here with alt (Not the case here of course, Hhampuz can never do that I believe) but in general it's possible? Again, aren't it being false sense of banning someone for breaking forum rules? If they are able to do everything they need, what's the result of the ban? Off limit from posting from the main account but easy to get the ban lifted through alt? Again, this is in general, not purposely threw to Hhampuz.

If the alternative is to leave customers (who have nothing to do with the ban) high and dry then yes, it would make more sense to at least allow the business activities to be handed over to someone else than to throw a rule book at them and terminate everything, possibly causing losses.

Other than that, it depends on the circumstances of the ban. I doubt this situation is pleasant to anyone involved and it's a hit to Hh's reputation so I wouldn't say the ban has no "result". The only part that puzzles me is that it's his second ban for apparently the same reason.

You keep saying it's "in general" and you keep referring to Hhampuz. Make up your mind.

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February 22, 2020, 07:08:03 AM
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But some people is helping them bumping Hhampuz's thread (I am 100% sure Hhampuz never asked anyone to do that, people doing voluntarily), TMAN annoucing free slots (Hhampuz asked).
Why people assist Hhampuz when he has broken rules?
Why TMAN assisting Hhampuz to do things which Hhampuz is not allowed to that?
I think this question should be asked to people who have posted here, they should be here to answer exactly what they are doing. But I think you should look further, look at yahoo62278 (I don't mean to compare managers), he didn't ask someone to help him bump the topic, he is also not banned, why do they want to do that? Simply because they respect him and they want him to be hired more  Wink
Going back to Hhampuz's case, whether he is banned or not, they still bump his topic, it doesn't matter. The important thing is your perspective  Smiley You may feel this is unfair, no problem  Wink Moreover, when Hhampuz was banned, these people felt they should bump his topic more than usual. It comes from their subjective thinking, they just want to help, nothing else

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