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February 23, 2020, 11:11:32 AM
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Is it possible to know who bump the particular thread ?
This information can be useful to find out if only one or two people are bumping the thread after every 24 hrs or more people are involved in bumping.

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February 23, 2020, 11:30:12 AM
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Is it possible to know who bump the particular thread ?

Yes - you can look at the profile name of the last person to post.

Unless I misunderstand the question?

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February 23, 2020, 11:31:51 AM
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Read this-
Non-publicity of data

For now, I am intentionally not making it public who bumped each topic, since that way you can't prove that you bumped anything, and this may prevent people from selling their bumps as easily. I don't particularly object to making the approximate bump scores or bump powers public, but I didn't do this yet.
I agree with theymos's thought. Also, I think anyone can bump a thread. So, there's no way you can read other people's mind if they are intentionally bumping a thread or it's a coincidence. People like their supported coin's ANN to be at the top.

Unless I misunderstand the question?
I think he is talking about the new bumping algorithm on different boards.
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February 23, 2020, 11:49:43 AM
Last edit: February 23, 2020, 12:13:29 PM by hd49728
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You can retrieve data at NOW LIVE Viewing unedited/deleted posts (search per post, per user or per topic). It gives update each 5 mins.

You can make a request to LoyceV but I don't see why we need it.

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February 23, 2020, 12:13:05 PM
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You can retrieve data at NOW LIVE Viewing unedited/deleted posts (search per post, per user or per topic)

You can make a request to LoyceV but I don't see why we need it.
I think this isn't the one that's been asked by the OP, he's asking for those who bumped the thread on the Bounties, Announcement, and Service Announcement boards. As Pffrt pointed out that isn't available and as per theymos statement.
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February 23, 2020, 03:12:56 PM
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Is it possible to know who bump the particular thread ?

Yes - you can look at the profile name of the last person to post.

Unless I misunderstand the question?

That's one way to know but what if a person bump a thread by pressing the bump link/button and do not post ? I was asking with that point of view in mind.
The reason for knowing is what if a single person is bumping a thread.

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February 23, 2020, 03:23:48 PM
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The reason for knowing is what if a single person is bumping a thread.
A single person can't bump a thread twice within 24 hours. And everyone has weight in their bump. So, if you are frequently bumping a thread alone, there's no chance that the thread will be on the top. The longer you don't bump a thread, you get more bump power.
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February 23, 2020, 03:37:20 PM
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That's one way to know but what if a person bump a thread by pressing the bump link/button and do not post ?
What you need to know
 3. If you've been spam-bumping, knock it off, since it's not going to work anymore.
I think that explains it unless a user does a mini bump which is kind of a hassle if the user is a regular poster there.

Mini bumps
If you haven't posted in a topic in the last 7 days, posting in it adds 1% of your base bump power to the topic's bump score. Deleted posts count against the 7-day limit, but not the topic's bump score.



The reason for knowing is what if a single person is bumping a thread.
Even if he is the only one bumping it his bump power decrease over time and it takes diligence to do super bumps because it is done only once per 24 hours. The real question is "what if there are several accounts used to bump the thread?" i.e for promotional purposes. I don't know who really can see those who bump the thread if mods and GM or only the admins can see it.
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February 23, 2020, 11:34:23 PM
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The real question is "what if there are several accounts used to bump the thread?" i.e for promotional purposes.

That won't last long. Remember the new bump calculation and you'll realize that it takes more than just multiple accounts spamming the thread or clicking the 'bump' button. Even if you have 10 Legendary accounts, your thread won't stay on top forever.

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February 24, 2020, 12:43:12 AM
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If I understand the bumping system correctly, it is generally not a huge problem if several people bump a thread because each person's bump strength decreases the more frequently they bump any thread.
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February 24, 2020, 09:22:01 AM
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If I understand the bumping system correctly, it is generally not a huge problem if several people bump a thread because each person's bump strength decreases the more frequently they bump any thread.

I have a record of my PM with suchmoon about Bump. the end note message suchmoon wrote like this.

The main things are:

1) mini bumps add 1% of your power to the thread score, don't decrease your power, you can mini-bump one thread every 7 days (but you can post as often as you want), you can mini-bump multiple threads without limit.
2) super bumps add 100% of your power to the thread score, but decrease your remaining power by 15% (which will recover in 30 days), you can super-bump one thread once every 24 hours, you can super-bump multiple threads within 24 hours.
3) every addition to thread's bump score (mini or super) decreases to 0 in 36 hours

I hope this helps.
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February 24, 2020, 10:42:33 AM
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It is exactly what theymos want to get from the bump score: To reduce effects of shit-bumps from spammers, bumping-service-providers, and shill-accounts.
Today we can see topics on those 4 boards in more reasonable orders, and they have not been sorted according to the newest posts like before the bump score was applied.

No one can stop them to make their shit posts (only when they break rules, we can report their posts to moderators). If no rules are broken by them, their posts will only affect people who posted in those topics because they will see those topics listed on the top when they click on "Show new replies to your posts".
A topic's bump score is affected by the above two actions over the last 36 hours. Each action's effect decays linearly over the 36 hours, so an event which contributed 1 at the beginning will contribute 0.5 after 18 hours.
Some simulations from LoyceV and PrimeNumber7.
They both made their simulations from this one:
I think that the auto-stabilization property I described actually is desirable, though, so I changed the system to provide it. Now your super-bump power is: b*(1-0.15*s/b), where b is your base power and s is the total bump score you've contributed via superbumps over the last 30 days. This gives the same result as the previous algorithm except when any 30-day period overlaps with another.

I made a graph to fully understand what this means. With 1 Super bump per day, it takes a couple of months to stabilize to a certain Super bump power.
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I simplified your formula to as follows:
b*[0.85^(s/b)]

I am fairly confident the above is the intention, but have no way of testing if it is implemented because I have superbumped threads in the past 30 days. If the 's/b' is an exponent, I can rule out the '0.15' from being the base because if someone has never superbumped any threads, the exponent will be zero, and the parenthesis would be simplified to '1-1', or zero, and if the 0.15 is multiplied by 's/b' the rolling 30 day cumulative superbump score (assuming 1 superbump per day) varies a lot for the first 90 days after the first 30 days of superbumping. Using an exponent to 0.85 results in the superbump power stabilizing within 60 days if someone superbumps one thread per day.

I have charted both the above exponent formula, and 0.15 being multiplied by s/b below:
b*[0.85^(s/b)]


0.15 being multiplied by 's/b':


I have also charted the individual superbump power if someone bumps one thread per day based on the exponent formula:


loyceV charted individual superbump power based on 0.15 being multipled by s/b.

I have uploaded the underlying data to a google docs spreadsheet.

I am still experimenting, but my current hypothesis is that the multiplication formula can be gamed by stopping superbumping for several days when the superbump value gets very low, while the exponent formula stabilizes quickly enough so that this strategy of gaming will not work.

Many months passed after the day bump score went in effects, how about a new update?
Some stats on the likely effect of this change:

Number of new posts during the two-week period between August 18-31 (before this change): 131219
Number of new posts during the two-week period between September 22 - October 5: 142907
Increase of 11688 posts or +9% (helped in part by Yobit I would assume).

However the number of new posts on the 4 affected boards (for the same time periods) is...

Before: 58406
After: 46781
Decrease of 11625 posts or -20%.



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February 24, 2020, 05:25:33 PM
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The real question is "what if there are several accounts used to bump the thread?" i.e for promotional purposes.

That won't last long. Remember the new bump calculation and you'll realize that it takes more than just multiple accounts spamming the thread or clicking the 'bump' button. Even if you have 10 Legendary accounts, your thread won't stay on top forever.

Yes, i realize that a single person cannot bump the thread to remain it on the top. I think for people the target now is not to be at No. 1 position, but at least on the No. 1 page of the Section and this can be achieved to some extent by (as you mentioned) by few Legendary accounts or by paid bumping service.

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The real question is "what if there are several accounts used to bump the thread?" i.e for promotional purposes.

That won't last long. Remember the new bump calculation and you'll realize that it takes more than just multiple accounts spamming the thread or clicking the 'bump' button. Even if you have 10 Legendary accounts, your thread won't stay on top forever.

Yes, i realize that a single person cannot bump the thread to remain it on the top. I think for people the target now is not to be at No. 1 position, but at least on the No. 1 page of the Section and this can be achieved to some extent by (as you mentioned) by few Legendary accounts or by paid bumping service.

Being a legendary member doesn't mean you can bump a thread in those four targeted boards.
If you are a legendary member, but have not earned any merit in the last year, you cannot bump any thread. There are some legendary members in the forum without any earned merit. Their bump power is zero.
What determines your bumping power is not your rank. Your bumping power depends on merit you have earned in the last year and your activity assuming you have signed up one year ago.
So, a junior member can be more effective than a legendary member.

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