Bernie Sanders is the Frontrunner for the Dems

[Viper1]

it is impossible to arrive at correct conclusions from false premises. fascism and nazism were the reaction to the growth of socialism in Europe, its base is essentially capitalist, corporatist. The Nazis added "social" to the name of the party to FOOL people. It's still working, many people still fooled by Hitler....

one must be totally ignorant in history to say such nonsense.

There's so much wrong with what you said that I don't even know where to start. The only thing you got right was about being totally ignorant in history cause you clearly are.

try it go go start dropping your infowars links, that will be fun

Sorry, no infowars for me. Just real historical facts which you clearly have never seen.

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[vladimirhf]

Sorry, no infowars for me. Just real historical facts which you clearly have never seen.

I used to read encyclopedias when I was 6 years old, before the internet, that was fun, but come on, bring your sources.  

[Viper1]

I used to read encyclopedias when I was 6 years old, before the internet, that was fun, but come on, bring your sources.  

Yeah.. I really believe you cause when someone does those sorts of claims it really makes me think you're an adult. Seriously. What is that even supposed to say.... Oh look at me.. my brain is so big you must bow to my superior intellect... Please. that's pathetic at best.

[vladimirhf]

I used to read encyclopedias when I was 6 years old, before the internet, that was fun, but come on, bring your sources.  

Yeah.. I really believe you cause when someone does those sorts of claims it really makes me think you're an adult. Seriously. What is that even supposed to say.... Oh look at me.. my brain is so big you must bow to my superior intellect... Please. that's pathetic at best.

just replied to your accusation but please focus on the subject, not me.

are you capable?

[Viper1]

I used to read encyclopedias when I was 6 years old, before the internet, that was fun, but come on, bring your sources.  

Yeah.. I really believe you cause when someone does those sorts of claims it really makes me think you're an adult. Seriously. What is that even supposed to say.... Oh look at me.. my brain is so big you must bow to my superior intellect... Please. that's pathetic at best.

just replied to your accusation but please focus on the subject, not me.

are you capable?

You mean how I replied to yours at the start? Gee. Maybe you should be backing up your claims to support your initial disparaging remarks.

[vladimirhf]

You mean how I replied to yours at the start? Gee. Maybe you should be backing up your claims to support your initial disparaging remarks.

you did it first! you! lol kiddo.... I'll ignore you if you don't have any real argument.

who calls for historical revisionism need to back up their claims.

you could start describing how and why the socialist porsche and the socialist bayer supported Hitler.

[Viper1]

You mean how I replied to yours at the start? Gee. Maybe you should be backing up your claims to support your initial disparaging remarks.

you did it first! you! lol kiddo.... I'll ignore you if you don't have any real argument.

Nice avoiding. But I thought this was about historical accuracy as opposed to "arguments". Besides. I already said I wasn't going to bother pointing out everything wrong. I had started to write a response and then I realized that it was going to take a bunch of time and given you're nothing more than a drive by troll who spits out a couple lines to stroke your ego. calls people stupid and moves on, you weren't worth the effort. But hey. I'm sure all us stupid people would greatly appreciate someone with your massive intellect sharing with us all your in depth knowledge. Or you could carry on and go jerk yourself of with your brilliant little posts that add no value at all. Either way, you turned into a few minutes of entertainment.

[vladimirhf]

You mean how I replied to yours at the start? Gee. Maybe you should be backing up your claims to support your initial disparaging remarks.

you did it first! you! lol kiddo.... I'll ignore you if you don't have any real argument.

Nice avoiding. But I thought this was about historical accuracy as opposed to "arguments". Besides. I already said I wasn't going to bother pointing out everything wrong. I had started to write a response and then I realized that it was going to take a bunch of time and given you're nothing more than a drive by troll who spits out a couple lines to stroke your ego. calls people stupid and moves on, you weren't worth the effort. But hey. I'm sure all us stupid people would greatly appreciate someone with your massive intellect sharing with us all your in depth knowledge. Or you could carry on and go jerk yourself of with your brilliant little posts that add no value at all. Either way, you turned into a few minutes of entertainment.

subject is nazism and socialism. please. I'm not avoiding. just asked you about porsche and bayer.

If you want to go against the whole Academy, all books and historians you will need a good support.

I am ready to answer your questions, if you have any.

well I have one more question.

what happened to the Frankfurt School philosophers and Bauhaus during the ascension of Nazism? and why?

[Viper1]

who calls for historical revisionism need to back up their claims.

Yes, you do. Maybe start with Mussolini.

start describing how and why the socialist porsche and the socialist bayer supported Hitler.

That would be a waste of my time as they have no bearing on your initial statement. Unless maybe what you said and what you think you said are two different things.

[vladimirhf]

who calls for historical revisionism need to back up their claims.

Yes, you do. Maybe start with Mussolini.

start describing how and why the socialist porsche and the socialist bayer supported Hitler.

That would be a waste of my time as they have no bearing on your initial statement. Unless maybe what you said and what you think you said are two different things.

waste of time? what are you avoiding?

Please clarify me about the corporatism in nazi germany. how is this compatible to socialist theories?

and tell me about Mussolini. what's new from him?

[Viper1]

what happened to the Frankfurt School philosophers and Bauhaus during the ascension of Nazism? and why?

Immaterial to your initial claim.

[vladimirhf]

what happened to the Frankfurt School philosophers and Bauhaus during the ascension of Nazism? and why?

Immaterial to your initial claim.

no, it's not. they were persecuted, why? are you sure you know anything about this period?

[Viper1]

Please clarify me about the corporatism in nazi germany. how is this compatible to socialist theories?

Immaterial as to whether or not it's compatible. Seriously. Are you just going to stroke yourself off through out a bunch of things that have no bearing on your initial claim? Cause this really is wasting my time now.

[vladimirhf]

Please clarify me about the corporatism in nazi germany. how is this compatible to socialist theories?

Immaterial as to whether or not it's compatible. Seriously. Are you just going to stroke yourself off through out a bunch of things that have no bearing on your initial claim? Cause this really is wasting my time now.

you're just showing you don't have any historical knowledge. fails to establish the simplest relations on the historical facts of that time.

[TECSHARE]

Nope. It is a fact. Read The United States Constitution. Nowhere does it say anything about a mandate to provide for the population.

Oh good lord. It doesn't have to say anything about a mandate because that's not what it's purpose is. It's the core laws that the government has to adhere to. The "people" are the government and they can provide anything they want to each other including any social programs they want as long as it doesn't violate the "law" of the constitution.

"Miami to hold ‘anti-Communist’ concert after Sanders defends Castro regime"
https://nypost.com/2020/02/26/miami-to-hold-anti-communist-concert-after-sanders-defends-castro-regime/

Like I said, Bernie just lost himself Florida, a key swing state.

Good chance for sure. Democrats are just so stupid sometimes when it comes to messaging.

Actually, yes it does. It specifically enumerates what powers the government has, an outlaws anything outside of those specified mandates and authorities. Again, none of this makes making the people dependent on the government a good idea, regardless of how you see the law.

it is impossible to arrive at correct conclusions from false premises. fascism and nazism were the reaction to the growth of socialism in Europe, its base is essentially capitalist, corporatist. The Nazis added "social" to the name of the party to FOOL people. It's still working, many people still fooled by Hitler....

one must be totally ignorant in history to say such nonsense.

That's the part you don't seem to grasp. Socialism is ALWAYS the candy coated protein shell on the virus the elite want to introduce to the people. It is ALWAYS a lie to fool the people into accepting a totalitarian system. It was DESIGNED to operate that way. It is the same reason so many dogs die from drinking anti-freeze leaking out from cars, because it tastes sweet, that is until it causes organ failure.

, it is not the government's job to provide for us

That's just your opinion/wish/fantasy and not a fact. The government is of, by and for the people and it they want it to do so then they will.

Nope. It is a fact. Read The United States Constitution. Nowhere does it say anything about a mandate to provide for the population. Funny you describe it as a wish/fantasy when that is quite literally what this push for universal healthcare is. That all aside, I clearly outlined why this is a dangerous precedent that is not desirable even if some people are fooled into thinking it is.

You're right that Americans do not have the right to healthcare.  It's not a radical idea to change that though.

More than half the UN countries have some form of guaranteed healthcare as a basic right included in their constitution.

Like I said, Bernie just lost himself Florida, a key swing state.

November is a long way away.  
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It is in fact radical, because this nation was founded on independence and the protection of individual rights via a constitutional republic. None of the other UN countries have the constitution the USA has, it is most certainly an outlier. In the USA, the people are sovereign, in the rest of the world the people are subjects to the government. Creating a system of dependence on the government undermines the base concept of independence this nation was founded on.

[Viper1]

what happened to the Frankfurt School philosophers and Bauhaus during the ascension of Nazism? and why?

Immaterial to your initial claim.

no, it's not. they were persecuted, why? are you sure you know anything about this period?

Actually yes, it is immaterial. Nor does why they were "persecuted" have anything to do with you're initial claim. Do you need to go back and re read what you said so maybe you stop dicking around with shit that has no bearing on it.

[vladimirhf]

what happened to the Frankfurt School philosophers and Bauhaus during the ascension of Nazism? and why?

Immaterial to your initial claim.

no, it's not. they were persecuted, why? are you sure you know anything about this period?

Actually yes, it is immaterial. Nor does why they were "persecuted" have anything to do with you're initial claim. Do you need to go back and re read what you said so maybe you stop dicking around with shit that has no bearing on it.

Hitler stated that the National Socialist State recognizes no classes. How this is reconciled with the socialist concept of class struggle?

I am pointing out a lot of contradictions of your hypothetical "left-wing Nazism". and I see you don't have a clue on what I'm talking about....

[Viper1]

Please clarify me about the corporatism in nazi germany. how is this compatible to socialist theories?

Immaterial as to whether or not it's compatible. Seriously. Are you just going to stroke yourself off through out a bunch of things that have no bearing on your initial claim? Cause this really is wasting my time now.

you're just showing you don't have any historical knowledge. fails to establish the simplest relations on the historical facts of that time.

Hitler stated that the National Socialist State recognizes no classes. How this is reconciled with the socialist concept of class struggle?

That has zero bearing on your initial claim but is instead nothing more than a differentiation in one aspect between Nazism and socialism.

Where the hell did you get the "left wing Nazism" from? You seriously need to go back and look at what I responded to of yours cause at this point you just seem to be off on some tangent.

[Viper1]

Nope. It is a fact. Read The United States Constitution. Nowhere does it say anything about a mandate to provide for the population.

Oh good lord. It doesn't have to say anything about a mandate because that's not what it's purpose is. It's the core laws that the government has to adhere to. The "people" are the government and they can provide anything they want to each other including any social programs they want as long as it doesn't violate the "law" of the constitution.

"Miami to hold ‘anti-Communist’ concert after Sanders defends Castro regime"
https://nypost.com/2020/02/26/miami-to-hold-anti-communist-concert-after-sanders-defends-castro-regime/

Like I said, Bernie just lost himself Florida, a key swing state.

Good chance for sure. Democrats are just so stupid sometimes when it comes to messaging.

Actually, yes it does. It specifically enumerates what powers the government has, an outlaws anything outside of those specified mandates and authorities. Again, none of this makes making the people dependent on the government a good idea, regardless of how you see the law.

Supreme court doesn't agree with you but instead they have found that the government has wide latitude to tax and spend in service of the "general welfare". Like I said. Unless it violates the "law", they can do what they want and to date the Supreme court has determined they're not violating the law.

[vladimirhf]

That has zero bearing on your initial claim but is instead nothing more than a differentiation in one aspect between Nazism and socialism.

Where the hell did you get the "left wing Nazism" from? You seriously need to go back and look at what I responded to of yours cause at this point you just seem to be off on some tangent.

actually you did not say much:

"There's so much wrong with what you said that I don't even know where to start. The only thing you got right was about being totally ignorant in history cause you clearly are."

you are always avoiding, you just say I'm wrong but is unable to explain why  

when you say nazism is socialism you're implying it is leftist. dude it is really tiring to talk to people who lacks the basics.

everything I say is wrong, "immaterial", unrelated  

I could spend a day bringing facts and more facts and all you have is "OMG YOU'RE SO WRONG"