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March 27, 2014, 10:48:20 PM
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This is what it has come to.  Undecided

Now they can't be arsed to scam people the old fashioned way, creating a shitcoin and getting it listed on cryptsy.

Now it is just hand over your cash fools!

What next? Payment in USD$ for fairycoins, you bring the bag of cash (or hash) to OP's house!


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March 27, 2014, 10:49:19 PM
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..........

I buy apples.
First apple costs me 1$.
Second apple 2$.
3rd 3$.
And so on.
Last apple 10$.

Now I sell all apples back at 10$. Will I be getting more or less $ back?

And if I get more (obvious) who is paying for those extra $?

No need for formulas either, really. It's that simple....
Yes, no need for formulas, you probably don't understand them.
It's obvious you did not read through the mechanics at all, and you don't even care how it works. You could criticize obviously flawed/dangerous aspects, e.g. the centralized nature. Instead you go on rambling about sth. you don't understand.

Again, you CANNOT buy STD's at the GER - that's only possible on the secondary market if at all.

Your apples example would look more like that:
buy apples at 1$, 2$, ..., 10$ and then sell for 1.5$. Are you going to make a profit?

Think about this: a similar effect happens when you buy stocks. By buying stocks you push up the price. By your argument if you buy a lot, push up the price a lot and then sell you automatically make a profit. Believe me, this is not the case. I work in this field.

So you are saying the system calculate the new GER when executing your order, then gives you BTC/newGER in STD? In this case initial investors 100mil will be worth 2x after that (30 btc total in my example). If they now sell back, new investors are the bag holders ^^'
Last seller will be holding the bag either way you do the calculation, cause it's a Ponzi ^^'
That is closer to the true nature of the system, although you don't buy at GER, neither at oldGER nor at newGER. You buy at 2*newGER up to 10*newGER.

Your argument about bagholders actually holds for every crypto-currency. The last BTC buyer holds the bag. (if the dev is trustworthy and no hacks happen) this bag in theory has some value in terms of BTC for STD's, but that value can also be pretty small.

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March 28, 2014, 12:13:45 AM
Last edit: March 28, 2014, 12:55:33 AM by ghibly79
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..........

I buy apples.
First apple costs me 1$.
Second apple 2$.
3rd 3$.
And so on.
Last apple 10$.

Now I sell all apples back at 10$. Will I be getting more or less $ back?

And if I get more (obvious) who is paying for those extra $?

No need for formulas either, really. It's that simple....
Yes, no need for formulas, you probably don't understand them.
It's obvious you did not read through the mechanics at all, and you don't even care how it works. You could criticize obviously flawed/dangerous aspects, e.g. the centralized nature. Instead you go on rambling about sth. you don't understand.

Again, you CANNOT buy STD's at the GER - that's only possible on the secondary market if at all.

Your apples example would look more like that:
buy apples at 1$, 2$, ..., 10$ and then sell for 1.5$. Are you going to make a profit?

Think about this: a similar effect happens when you buy stocks. By buying stocks you push up the price. By your argument if you buy a lot, push up the price a lot and then sell you automatically make a profit. Believe me, this is not the case. I work in this field.

So you are saying the system calculate the new GER when executing your order, then gives you BTC/newGER in STD? In this case initial investors 100mil will be worth 2x after that (30 btc total in my example). If they now sell back, new investors are the bag holders ^^'
Last seller will be holding the bag either way you do the calculation, cause it's a Ponzi ^^'
That is closer to the true nature of the system, although you don't buy at GER, neither at oldGER nor at newGER. You buy at 2*newGER up to 10*newGER.

Your argument about bagholders actually holds for every crypto-currency. The last BTC buyer holds the bag. (if the dev is trustworthy and no hacks happen) this bag in theory has some value in terms of BTC for STD's, but that value can also be pretty small.

No, cause legit cryptos price can drop. That's the fundamental difference as already stated. You can buy at whatever price with whatever formula: if the price go only up you will need more and more btc to buy back so someboby will lose money in the end, while OP is trying to suggest NOBODY CAN LOSE. That's a ponzi scheme, by definition (go read it on wiki).
With normal cryptos you KNOW you can lose money cause price can go down.
No amount of out of your ass formulas can change base logic sorry (not working on me anyway).
Another op paid sockpuppet in disguise. I hope you are, or go study more, you really really need.
Tired. Now bye.

[EDIT] by the way you were right on one point, too bad this favors my thesis even more.

From website

"Current AMC is 40 BTC. Total stored STD for new investors is: 200,000,000 (50% coins of network). Investor 2 invests 40 BTC.

 AMC is now increased to 80 BTC.
 Investor 2 will receive: (40/AMC * stored STD) = 40/80 * 200,000,000 = 100,000,000 STD
 The new GER is: GER = AMC/MMS = 80/400,000,000 = 0.000000020 BTC (~ 20 satoshi)." (<-- there is 1 more zero than necessary, but it's a website typo)

So investor 2 just bought 100 mil STD for 40 btc and now the GER is 20 satoshi, so he can sell them back for 100mil*20satoshi=20 btc and the value will stay like that if no new investors come, so investor 2 just INSTANTLY LOST 20 BTC (went to initial investors, practically).

Initial investors are also losing money: they get 100mil STD paying 40 btc (again, from website example) but the GER will be 10 satoshi, so their 100 mil will be worth only 10 btc if no new investor come.

So I was partially wrong: THE SCAM IS EVEN MORE EVIDENT than I initially thought. OP's not even trying to cover it up xD haahahaah dying laughing.
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March 28, 2014, 12:37:47 AM
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Holy shit people. A pump and dump is when you artificially inflate the price to cause others to panic-buy and then dump what you bought. If enough other people buy in you make money. If they don't then you cut even or lose or maybe lose a lot if when rising the price you cause someone else to dump. You don't magically make money just by being able to bust down the sell walls.
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March 28, 2014, 01:13:50 AM
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[EDIT] by the way you were right on one point, too bad this favors my thesis even more.

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So investor 2 just bought 100 mil STD for 40 btc and now the GER is 20 satoshi, so he can sell them back for 100mil*20satoshi=20 btc and the value will stay like that if no new investors come, so investor 2 just INSTANTLY LOST 20 BTC (went to initial investors, practically) so I was partially wrong: THE SCAM IS EVEN MORE EVIDENT than I initially thought. OP's not even going to cover it up xD haahahaah dying laughing.
Now, isn't that interesting. You finally realize that you were wrong.

Small side remark: investor 2 did not necessarily instantly lose 20 BTC. I would expect that there is a secondary market for STD's (at cryptsy etc) and the price there will be >GER. he did not lose 20 BTC unless the secondary market immediately drops to the GER.
But yes, I've been saying since my first post that the GER (or lower bound) only guarantees a fraction of the price STD's are bought for (unless they happen to be traded at GER on the secondary market). And that the GER becomes ineffective as the price rises and the STD reserve is being depleted.

Another op paid sockpuppet in disguise. I hope you are, or go study more, you really really need.
Tired. Now bye.
I'd suggest you stop dragging discussions onto an emotional and insulting personal level if you cannot convince with intelligence and facts. That is unworthy of a 34 year old.

Take a breather, look at the facts and be objective. There's no shame admitting that you didn't understand the system in detail first - that's the way we learn! And if you cared to read my posts you'd see enough instances where I criticize this coin.

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March 28, 2014, 01:31:01 AM
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Then again there are those of us who just mined the coin, we are really out nothing but electric and what we would have gotten mining something else.  Personally I would never buy into an IPO on an altcoin.  I have seen way too many here go bad.  But I'll mine the coin and sell it back when the market opens, or it hits an exchange..

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March 28, 2014, 01:36:23 AM
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Then again there are those of us who just mined the coin, we are really out nothing but electric and what we would have gotten mining something else.  Personally I would never buy into an IPO on an altcoin.  I have seen way too many here go bad.  But I'll mine the coin and sell it back when the market opens, or it hits an exchange..
Yep. I'm just mining it. Worst I can lose is some time.

IMO all these country coins, airdrop coins and IPO coins are here just to make the DEVs money.  But that won't stop me from throwing some hashrate their way!!  But I will never throw BTC to them.  I also think it's wrong for the exchanges to let you buy votes.  Coming from Chicago where people have been buying politics forever it shouldn't bother me, but it just does...

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March 28, 2014, 01:54:12 AM
Last edit: March 28, 2014, 02:15:46 AM by ghibly79
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Small side remark: investor 2 did not necessarily instantly lose 20 BTC. I would expect that there is a secondary market for STD's (at cryptsy etc) and the price there will be >GER. he did not lose 20 BTC unless the secondary market immediately drops to the GER.
But yes, I've been saying since my first post that the GER (or lower bound) only guarantees a fraction of the price STD's are bought for (unless they happen to be traded at GER on the secondary market). And that the GER becomes ineffective as the price rises and the STD reserve is being depleted.

Another op paid sockpuppet in disguise. I hope you are, or go study more, you really really need.
Tired. Now bye.
I'd suggest you stop dragging discussions onto an emotional and insulting personal level if you cannot convince with intelligence and facts. That is unworthy of a 34 year old.

Take a breather, look at the facts and be objective. There's no shame admitting that you didn't understand the system in detail first - that's the way we learn! And if you cared to read my posts you'd see enough instances where I criticize this coin.

I already admitted that point. It's not that I didn't understand: I didn't read the examples thoroughly cause I knew it was a ponzi from basic reasoning, and I was giving scammer op more credit as a scammer. I overestimated him xD

He is maintaining nobody can lose, everybody can only gain and that's the very definition of fraudolent investment=ponzi scheme.

Fractionary guaranteed value means you will lose if not enough new investors come after you (or if they withdraw before you), while he's trying to get investors in promising guaranteed return (fraud). Not to mention that fraction comes at the expense of someone else.

If you sell it on a free market you are just taking over the coin, avoiding or mitigating the scam, but that doesn't cancel out the scam attempt!

You are making it sound like the op just missed to mention the "scheme exploding risk" by mistake, so the project should just be "criticised" while he's openly saying the opposite following the most classic of ponzis and that makes him a scammer.
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March 28, 2014, 02:25:07 AM
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So, any exchange? Bittrex normally jumps on all new coins, why hasn't it jumped on this?

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March 28, 2014, 02:26:14 AM
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Then again there are those of us who just mined the coin, we are really out nothing but electric and what we would have gotten mining something else.  Personally I would never buy into an IPO on an altcoin.  I have seen way too many here go bad.  But I'll mine the coin and sell it back when the market opens, or it hits an exchange..
Yep. I'm just mining it. Worst I can lose is some time.
You should wait for the multipool and mine at it. This way you will get more STD and bring value to the coin itself.
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March 28, 2014, 09:33:54 AM
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I thought Tomatocage was a reasonable guy so I sent him a message regarding his feedback and how ghibly79 couldn't understand the system. But instead of going through the system and try to understand it, he choosed to ignore me. What a shame!

But nevermind, the system will still go on as planned.

Tomatecage is probably his lover
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March 28, 2014, 09:54:04 AM
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My wallet is out of sync. Says "No block source available ..." (129 weeks behind). Any suggestions what is wrong?
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March 28, 2014, 11:47:11 AM
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My wallet is out of sync. Says "No block source available ..." (129 weeks behind). Any suggestions what is wrong?

Got the same problem on the windows version and I added the nodes

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March 28, 2014, 01:44:50 PM
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My wallet is out of sync. Says "No block source available ..." (129 weeks behind). Any suggestions what is wrong?

Got the same problem on the windows version and I added the nodes
Add the whole list:
Here's a full list of peers I have currently:

addnode=118.70.190.61:5333
addnode=212.187.104.200:57253
addnode=80.239.117.178:55459
addnode=178.49.118.233:5333
addnode=213.112.192.61:60587
addnode=98.126.190.28:5333
addnode=80.101.168.33:62551
addnode=148.251.80.245:50908
addnode=95.28.188.202:5333
addnode=80.128.87.185:57637
addnode=99.2.202.21:50229
addnode=67.241.250.139:5333
addnode=75.163.129.124:56092
addnode=148.251.80.245:45450
addnode=82.68.43.106:50560
addnode=216.121.249.83:50544
addnode=192.241.153.178:5333
addnode=71.8.44.246:54075
addnode=208.107.130.112:38684
addnode=123.243.191.143:5333
addnode=81.224.110.171:54132
addnode=86.158.183.80:60163
addnode=76.120.153.146:56901
addnode=109.158.148.120:53434
addnode=87.113.61.122:57573
addnode=184.171.213.239:56535
addnode=89.146.60.241:58078
addnode=87.187.7.116:50375
addnode=85.3.43.4:60391
addnode=134.3.176.190:52847
addnode=101.167.59.225:62175
addnode=83.82.233.102:62096
addnode=112.81.142.180:50138
addnode=75.108.19.106:5333
addnode=83.4.170.248:11610
addnode=151.225.170.191:56210
addnode=86.23.84.184:65011

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March 28, 2014, 06:00:20 PM
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My wallet is out of sync. Says "No block source available ..." (129 weeks behind). Any suggestions what is wrong?

Got the same problem on the windows version and I added the nodes
Add the whole list:
Here's a full list of peers I have currently:

addnode=118.70.190.61:5333
addnode=212.187.104.200:57253
addnode=80.239.117.178:55459
addnode=178.49.118.233:5333
addnode=213.112.192.61:60587
addnode=98.126.190.28:5333
addnode=80.101.168.33:62551
addnode=148.251.80.245:50908
addnode=95.28.188.202:5333
addnode=80.128.87.185:57637
addnode=99.2.202.21:50229
addnode=67.241.250.139:5333
addnode=75.163.129.124:56092
addnode=148.251.80.245:45450
addnode=82.68.43.106:50560
addnode=216.121.249.83:50544
addnode=192.241.153.178:5333
addnode=71.8.44.246:54075
addnode=208.107.130.112:38684
addnode=123.243.191.143:5333
addnode=81.224.110.171:54132
addnode=86.158.183.80:60163
addnode=76.120.153.146:56901
addnode=109.158.148.120:53434
addnode=87.113.61.122:57573
addnode=184.171.213.239:56535
addnode=89.146.60.241:58078
addnode=87.187.7.116:50375
addnode=85.3.43.4:60391
addnode=134.3.176.190:52847
addnode=101.167.59.225:62175
addnode=83.82.233.102:62096
addnode=112.81.142.180:50138
addnode=75.108.19.106:5333
addnode=83.4.170.248:11610
addnode=151.225.170.191:56210
addnode=86.23.84.184:65011

Thanks for the tip. I've added nodes and checked the firewall it's ok. Nevertheless the issue persists
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March 28, 2014, 10:42:02 PM
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My wallet is out of sync. Says "No block source available ..." (129 weeks behind). Any suggestions what is wrong?

Got the same problem on the windows version and I added the nodes
Add the whole list:
Here's a full list of peers I have currently:

addnode=118.70.190.61:5333
addnode=212.187.104.200:57253
addnode=80.239.117.178:55459
addnode=178.49.118.233:5333
addnode=213.112.192.61:60587
addnode=98.126.190.28:5333
addnode=80.101.168.33:62551
addnode=148.251.80.245:50908
addnode=95.28.188.202:5333
addnode=80.128.87.185:57637
addnode=99.2.202.21:50229
addnode=67.241.250.139:5333
addnode=75.163.129.124:56092
addnode=148.251.80.245:45450
addnode=82.68.43.106:50560
addnode=216.121.249.83:50544
addnode=192.241.153.178:5333
addnode=71.8.44.246:54075
addnode=208.107.130.112:38684
addnode=123.243.191.143:5333
addnode=81.224.110.171:54132
addnode=86.158.183.80:60163
addnode=76.120.153.146:56901
addnode=109.158.148.120:53434
addnode=87.113.61.122:57573
addnode=184.171.213.239:56535
addnode=89.146.60.241:58078
addnode=87.187.7.116:50375
addnode=85.3.43.4:60391
addnode=134.3.176.190:52847
addnode=101.167.59.225:62175
addnode=83.82.233.102:62096
addnode=112.81.142.180:50138
addnode=75.108.19.106:5333
addnode=83.4.170.248:11610
addnode=151.225.170.191:56210
addnode=86.23.84.184:65011

Thanks for the tip. I've added nodes and checked the firewall it's ok. Nevertheless the issue persists
Where did you put the file and what is the file name?
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March 29, 2014, 12:53:02 AM
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My wallet is out of sync. Says "No block source available ..." (129 weeks behind). Any suggestions what is wrong?

Got the same problem on the windows version and I added the nodes
Add the whole list:
Here's a full list of peers I have currently:

addnode=118.70.190.61:5333
addnode=212.187.104.200:57253
addnode=80.239.117.178:55459
addnode=178.49.118.233:5333
addnode=213.112.192.61:60587
addnode=98.126.190.28:5333
addnode=80.101.168.33:62551
addnode=148.251.80.245:50908
addnode=95.28.188.202:5333
addnode=80.128.87.185:57637
addnode=86.23.84.184:65011

Thanks for the tip. I've added nodes and checked the firewall it's ok. Nevertheless the issue persists
Where did you put the file and what is the file name?

The file called Standardcoin-Qt located in a folder where I keep all the wallets. I tried it on desktop and didn't work either. Other wallets didn't have any issue with syncing.
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March 29, 2014, 12:55:09 AM
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http://www.cryptokk.com/gfx/votes/std.png

STD has been added to the new Cryptokk's vote list.

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March 29, 2014, 05:19:44 AM
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Hmm you guys must have ports blocked or really aggressive antivirus software running. On win 8 I have zero issues, it syncs super fast as well. Very odd.
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