Bitmain Introduces the S19 and S19 Pro

[DJsC]

Yeah, I was hopeful when I saw your post about the pros. However, I got the s19s at a fairly decent price (and to be fair when btc was half its current value too I guess) and I'm super skeptical of bitmain now wanting more coins/delays/etc who knows. As always, communication from them is...

I just picked up my two January batch S19 (non pros) yesterday and they've been hashing at 95.7 and 95.7 TH/s for the past 20 hours. The units are noticeably quieter than the T17+ that died on me last month. Otherwise, the major thing to note is that they use Bitmain's new GUI, as posted in philipma1957's s19pro review.

I don't have a watt-meter or too many sophisticated tools to perform an in depth review but I'm happy to answer any specific question, if any.

[PopoJeff]

Bitmain just announced on twitter they will be opening sales at 1500 on 2/25 (GMT+8) for an S19j.   90th @ 3100w = 34.5 j/th.

No price indicated yet, or if they'll accept btc for payment.

And that's 2am tonight EST.

I suspect they collected all the imperfect chips previously set aside, not good enough for the s19 or s19pro......and threw them in a box to sell as the s19j.....to salvage income from the imperfect parts.  (Reminds me of packaging burnt potato chips or pretzel pieces and selling them as a unique product).

I will not be partaking in this model.  I just sold some coin over the weekend and bought my wife a 2019 MB GLC AMG 43.

[Undifficulty]

If anyone manages to catch the price and ship date, please share.

[philipma1957]

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A freaking rocket ship. Nice.

I may buy a s19j.

[PopoJeff]

If anyone manages to catch the price and ship date, please share.

 I'm working the overnight shift. I'll post when I see something.

2hrs ago, they said on Twitter, a ship date of OCTOBER.
https://twitter.com/antminer_main/status/1364787555317649414?s=21

Edit to add... as of 0830 est, I never saw it go online

[wndsnb]

Did these ever come up for sale? The Bitmain webpage still shows only the sold-out August batch. I'm interested in seeing what price they are asking for a miner you won't see for 7 months. And do they require you to pay 100% upfront?

I suspect they collected all the imperfect chips previously set aside, not good enough for the s19 or s19pro......and threw them in a box to sell as the s19j.....to salvage income from the imperfect parts.  (Reminds me of packaging burnt potato chips or pretzel pieces and selling them as a unique product).

I think how they have done this in the past is at the hashboard level. Probably just too costly to try to characterize each chip individually. They test every hashboard individually at a series of different voltage/frequency settings and then combine "compatible" ones to get Pro/non-Pro, or different hashrates. For instance, the S17 and S17 pro hashboards are identical and use the exact same ASIC chip. For the S17+ hashboards I've seen they even have a label on the hashboard indicating what test level it passed at, L1 through L7. This is why aftermarket firmware can get such great results, they tune at the chip level instead of the board level.

There is always a range with these things due to process variation at the fab. Intel does the same with it's CPUs, the 2Ghz and 3Ghz models are exactly the same chip, one just hit the top of the curve and the other the bottom. So not really a quality issue, more just process drift and transistors that switch just slightly slower and/or less efficiently.

[HagssFIN]

I think it's ridicculous that they even keep the web shop open because nowadays they don't have anything for sale most of the time, and when they do, the lead time is like 1/2 years.

They should just shut down the web shop.

[PopoJeff]

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They never went on sale. Never got listed on the website. Just the two tweets saying they would.  I was curious of what price they would be listing at.

And you are correct, board level testing seems more likely.  I just have this image in my head of some employee sweeping up reject chips from the factory floor into a dust pan and asking the boss what do do with them. And the boss says, " save them, we'll put them in the next batch and name that run something different".

[skylark_cash]

Some bitmain employee named nathaniel posted about these on the bitmain telegram channel https://t.me/bitmain
apparently these are $5k a piece and they were sold over email with an MOQ for 200 units.

[wndsnb]

Looks like another batch dropping tonight... 1AM EST. The press release says to email, so looks like it will be the same as last batch that never showed up on the website.

https://blog.bitmain.com/en/the-second-batch-of-antminer-s19j-will-officially-go-on-sale-on-march-02/

[Biffa]

For October ffs

[sha257]

Hi!

I saw the blog post that indicated order by email. After satisfying their authentication requirements, has anybody actually successfully ordered their S19j?

Thanks!

[Biffa]

Hi!

I saw the blog post that indicated order by email. After satisfying their authentication requirements, has anybody actually successfully ordered their S19j?

Thanks!

Last batch had a MOQ of 200 units, so its probably only scalpers buying.

You can see all the resellers currently selling $4K miners for $10-12K

[Daltonik]

Bitmain reduced the price of Antminer devices by 20% amid the fall in the bitcoin exchange rate and criticism of mining by the Chinese authorities, and due to the fact that some Bitmain customers demanded a refund of the prepayment for the equipment. I wonder how the prices of resellers will change.

[Biffa]

Global Suspension Announcement of Antminer Spot Sales

https://blog.bitmain.com/en/global-suspension-announcement-of-antminer-spot-sales/

Dear Valued Antminer Users，

In recent times, Chinese customers have been reselling miners to withdraw funds or reduce the time that their mining hardware remains in China. However, the setup of mining farms does not happen overnight, and the second-hand market is under pressure. To assist the industry towards a smooth transition, Antminer has temporarily decided to suspend global spot sales.

Kindly note that customers who have already placed previous orders will not be affected. Bitmain will continue to sell futures orders from September onwards. The suspension of spot sales shall be from June to August.

At the start of the year, the market demand of miners was high, and supply was low. Thanks to Bitmain’s R&D and supply chain teams’ efforts, Antminer has achieved the increased production capacity for the future.

Faced with the difficulties during the pandemic, Bitmain employees have risen to the recent challenge and urgently traveled overseas to the US, Canada, Australia, Russia, Belarus, Sweden, Norway, Kazakhstan, Angola, Congo, Indonesia, and other countries to help customers source high-quality power resources for the industry.

The development of Bitmain is inseparable from the support of its customers. Bitmain adheres to the values of “long-term, loyal, and a win-win” while striving to cope with the industry changes, together with our partners.

[philipma1957]

Global Suspension Announcement of Antminer Spot Sales

https://blog.bitmain.com/en/global-suspension-announcement-of-antminer-spot-sales/

Dear Valued Antminer Users，

In recent times, Chinese customers have been reselling miners to withdraw funds or reduce the time that their mining hardware remains in China. However, the setup of mining farms does not happen overnight, and the second-hand market is under pressure. To assist the industry towards a smooth transition, Antminer has temporarily decided to suspend global spot sales.

Kindly note that customers who have already placed previous orders will not be affected. Bitmain will continue to sell futures orders from September onwards. The suspension of spot sales shall be from June to August.

At the start of the year, the market demand of miners was high, and supply was low. Thanks to Bitmain’s R&D and supply chain teams’ efforts, Antminer has achieved the increased production capacity for the future.

Faced with the difficulties during the pandemic, Bitmain employees have risen to the recent challenge and urgently traveled overseas to the US, Canada, Australia, Russia, Belarus, Sweden, Norway, Kazakhstan, Angola, Congo, Indonesia, and other countries to help customers source high-quality power resources for the industry.

The development of Bitmain is inseparable from the support of its customers. Bitmain adheres to the values of “long-term, loyal, and a win-win” while striving to cope with the industry changes, together with our partners.

Looks like a long hot summer.
With lower difficulty staying under 20t easily.

once the current drop happens to 15.9 regrowth will be very slow until the fall.

So I will earn more coins this summer.
Just not sure if the coins will stay over 30k.

[kano]

....
Looks like a long hot summer.
With lower difficulty staying under 20t easily.

once the current drop happens to 15.9 regrowth will be very slow until the fall.

So I will earn more coins this summer.
Just not sure if the coins will stay over 30k.

I very much doubt it will stay low for very long.
Miners are being moved, not thrown away.
And since this thread is about the S19, I'm certain none of them will be thrown away for quite some time.
Even with all this happening, the BTC price is still well above last year and well above the ATH from before last year.
(also this belongs in Mining speculation)

[Artemis3]

So a 1 speed 3300 watt miner.
I would have liked more then one speed setting.
These will be a hard sell item with coins under 9000  and the 1/2 ing right around the corner.

1 speed you said? Not anymore



(Screenshot taken from S19 pro running Braiins OS+)

[Daltonik]

Bitmain will release the Antminer S19XP model based on 5 nm chips from TSMC. The new generation of devices will provide a hashrate of 150 TH/s with consumption of 3225W and energy efficiency of 21.5 J/TH, the start of deliveries is expected from July to September 2022.

[kano]

lol - July to September next year, someone clearly needed some marketing news.

I wonder which it is:
1) blatant marketing and nothing more
2) they'll be mining with them for a year before selling them to everyone else
3) TSMC told them to fuck off and wait til late next year before they'll do any wafers for them

So ... we guessing Oct/Nov so about a year from now?